This whole theme seems to prove the point I’ve made a couple times before, Leon is hardly an asshole, malevolent, or the kind of person who wants you dead… He’s just a terrible mix of impulsiveness and pressured… Something that’s not good for a ruler. A good ruler actually stops to think, pushes aside all other considerations, examines the situation from various angles, and then finally comes up with a decision
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Well I guess it just lefts my MC to also be peer pressured into killing Leon huh
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The whole story ante contribute nothing but annoyance and hindrance. She doesnt save saint but hinder mc saving the saint(again), she doesn’t save people but almost killed siennan citizen by trying her hardest to prevent mc just because of her prejudice. Also leon is bad king who act on impulse and peer pressure instead of well thought reason and who not bother to seek the truth before delivering false justice. No matter what justification they use, they fail their citizen and hero for killing the one who save their nation
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In a tumbler post it was stated that it took months before Ilya found the truth, 4-6 I believe. I don’t think there was really time for us to just rot in a cell when there really isn’t anything to investigate. Screw our motive, we murdered the saintess and didn’t even give a reason for our actions. Weather or not there was more to the story we were guilty and the city was calling for our death. What we did was probably a personal betrayal to him as well so I find it hard to put full blame on him while all this stuff was on his shoulders.
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That’s the problem though, a proper ruler is supposed to be able to take all of that and still think rationally… It’s implied that he essentially panicked
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Three to six months of pretty constant investigation. You don’t execute people before the investigation is done.
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Mabey now…but we’re talking medieval times where we just barely got out of which hunts and stake burnings because your a different religion.
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Absolute Monarchies aren’t exactly famous for dishing out justice properly.
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Sure, but he, as the king, chose not to. The issue with absolute monarchies is also having rulers who can just do stuff like this and DO do stuff like this constantly.
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Besides it’s not like “please old friend. I had a reason. What? why would you want to know the reason you can’t know. Why? you don’t need to know that either” will hold up in court. We literally killed a state official in front of a very trustful witness (not to us) after killing her men. That’s the proof
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I already gave several reasons why they should still investigate further.
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Just because it’s common at the time doesn’t mean we don’t hold the people responsible accountable.
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I mean sure, he still burnt us at the stake and all. Not like we don’t have a reason to be pissed but so did he, we should just be glad that despite the fact fact we killed her mentor, Ilya still looked for the truth. I just think that Leon had too much to lose. War fucks you up and it’s different blowing people away with the flick of your wrist instead of using your own strength to cleave someone in half and then figure out your logistical problems of running a war until the next fight
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Ok but if Illya of all people could keep investigating, why couldn’t he? Illya had a far greater reason to feel betrayed and had no more reason to trust us. She also fought in the war, as did Sane. Evidently, our friendship built over those years fighting meant more to them than to him. If the majority of the party agreed with him, that’d be something, but he’s the outlier. That kind of shows we’ve earned a bit of trust he isn’t giving us.
And there’s still the fact that we could’ve had valuable information. He suspected us of being in cahoots with Sister, right? If we’re not talking, the logical path is to decode the journal (which we actually COULD help with) and then confront us with information they find in the hopes of getting us to talk. They don’t know what’s in there, and they don’t know why we did this after her death. There could be an insidious plan at foot that we’re a part of. Not thinking we’re innocent is not actually a reason to kill us yet. You need to make sure you don’t need us for anything else. We’re already in jail, they could just inform the people that they need this info and that they can’t kill us yet.
And even if he did still kill us after, why fire? So many better methods.
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I agree with everything you just said there, if you were supposedly working for Sister or some other shady cabal, no point in killing you right then and there, information is information and if you only have one source, you don’t kill it… As for why fire? Death by fire can actually be relatively painless, the game even states that it’s the toxic gas and smoke that get you before the fire ever does, essentially asphyxiating you painlessly before you start to roast
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Since we killed the saintess I would say say it’s also considered a religious heresy as well as a murder, if I remember correctly the crowd calls you a heretic when you’re executed so it makes sense you were burned as that was pretty common punishment for heresy in our world
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I don’t really know about ilay personally. She’s just that type of person I guess, to me it makes a little more sense if your romancing her but no matter what she still did it. And ya we were in the war but us and ilay’s roles were different, other than keeping us on our feet and healing the wounded she didn’t personally take anyones life as I’m aware. And on your outlier point none of us are the king either but that has already been argued to death.
We were locked up about week or bit longer, right?. I doubt that we were simply asked about our reasons and burned, the description was vague but we were in an horrible state when Leon talked to us, and if we couldn’t have brought it up ourselves I doubt we were very fourth coming when it came to anything related to our activities. Then there is the arguments that were said why our execution was such a rush job (mad people, mad clergy etc…) And the stake itself was for religious reasons. You burn heretics.
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That makes sense, I remember that bit. The issue is that if something went horribly wrong, we would have died horribly so he still risked that. The man has an anti-magic sword ffs.
That’s still far too short a time to burn someone. And with the reasons I gave for the need to investigate, I think the people would acquiesce for the sake of further investigation. If Leone is willing to rush our execution instead of getting to the bottom of this properly for the sake of pleasing angry people, he’s not fit to rule.
And like I said, “demon” killing sword.
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Ok, let’s do another shift in perspective. Your a commoner who works hard and is deeply devoted to jove. You just got out of a bloody war where you were invaded and your brothers, father’s and sons were killed and you finally see a light at the tunnel
Your country just got out of a war. The population took a hit and the cities need to be rebuilt. Food might be a problem soon because the last harvest every one was focused on the war. But with the guidance of the church and the crown everything will be okay.
Then you get word the superweapon MC (creative last name) has done the unthinkable and kills the head of the church you JUST got back so you find out what’s what. You hear that the murderer is still alive, you ask if they have proof of the crime and your hear that they had their hand on the blade that struck her heart. Caught red handed and they still aren’t dead, why?
You hear rumors that the most definitely guilty mage might get out of this just because the new king and the mage were friends, what the heck. What kind of bias is this. This is corrupt. What if they escape and continue there rampage. You saw for yourself what there capable of. They must be delt with they are a condemned heretic. You are in the streets with everyone else demanding there death. Why are they waiting, will the king really let the saint killer, a demon, to live.
I kinda went away with it but you get my point, right? Now imagine it’s they entire city plus the powerful church breathing down your neck, why risk saving a friend that just betrayed you in one of the most brutal way possible. they have nothing to say except an apology. Doesn’t matter what you’ve been through together, as much as it pains you, your country is your first priority before a threat and that is why you are the king
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I do see your point but it’s still a leader’s job to say “no” when demands like this can be dangerous. If he can’t quell the mob w/o giving into its every whim, he needs to step down.
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