phugo
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It would be a great point to start with if you are thinking of writing a game based on an earlier story. And though this might not work in conjunction with how people think and design them, it would be a good earlier knowledge you could capitalize on to add intricate details just right through.
Update me on it just to be sure. And likely, if you would consider another form of writing, and designing, you could also consider a theme based approach.
@ScarletGeisha :escapism has an overwhelming tendency to appeal to the privileged.
I would expect that escapism appeals more to the unprivileged, since they are the ones that have most to escape from.
Come on, we have the whole internet. Lots of sources to find out what women find attractive.
Straight white cisgendered developed nation-dwelling able-bodied middle class male persons (perhaps one or two of these isn’t true) are certainly unprivileged.
It appears to me that we do not have anything even remotely close to a consensus on the definition of escapism.
So if we are all so set in our opinions why don’t we make some games one way some other games another and scarletgisha and canisa and the rest of the girls on the sight make games where you can only be a girl, or whatever other minority’s we are talking about have a variety of options, so we can all be happy
@Cagye_bee, people are making games that fit their various opinions, and they will keep doing so. Discussing what makes good fiction (where for different people “good” might mean well-written, realistic, empowering, fun, non-discriminatory, etc.) doesn’t stop anyone from writing the stories they think are good.
But the discussion might help us understand each other’s (and our own) opinions better – including exposing mistaken assumptions we have about what other people think.
For example, if you genuinely think that
(a) only “the girls on the site” care about gender in games, or
(b) ScG and Canisa want people to make games where “you can only be a girl,”
then you’ve not actually been reading what people are saying.
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Phone doesn’t let me edit. And I just reread my post.
Lack of a better word, so *don’t* take this word seriously)…fun
@havenstone that’s not what I was saying I was just saying that 50% of threads have an argument on this and this is a huge argument on this, when I think that we have made no progress on reaching a dissision. And yes regardless of what we decide people will make games the way they want, I was just seggesting that we make some games where you can only be a girl to even it out.
Person
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Put it in if it works with the story, it’s not really worth whining about, it rarely changes anything.
@Person Excuse me, “whining”?
Person
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I’m sorry if it seemed rude, looking back it was not a good choice of words, I’m sorry.
@Zed – over on the Zombie thread, before it was temporarily sidetracked into war, you asked:
“i’ve got a question: Is a gay person calling another gay person a queer ok? I mean i’m no stranger to gays, I’m 13 and my Uncle (Not really my Uncle, just a Close Family Friend) is gay and i grew up in NYC for 11 years around him and I typically don’t like the word Queer in context regarding to gays and i know that non-gays calling gays Queers is considered hateful, so i’m just wondering about gays calling other gays queers.”
@VoodooDolly gave a terrific answer. I wanted to suggest you also have a look at the Wikipedia entry for more info – although it does have a lot of jargon, and I think probably overstates the number of people who still find it controversial.
A lot of people like the word queer because it’s more general than “gay” or “lesbian” or “bisexual” – it’s a catch-all term for people who don’t fit and/or choose not to fit into traditional gender roles, controls, and boundaries. (And thus particularly handy for agender, pansexual people like VoodooDolly). It’s used broadly enough in respectable discourse these days (e.g. Queer Studies courses at major universities) that it’s possible for non-gay people to use it without being offensive.
On the other hand, it used to be and still can be hate speech. So yeah, non-gay people like us should still be thoughtful in how we use it, and make sure it’s clear from context that we’re using it with respect.
EDIT: @ScarletGeisha corrects me below: always ask first.
If we’re going to use queer as a catchall why don’t we just call them sexually unusual? 
Because it’s a lot longer, right… Dumb question. But the LGBT issues club at my campus is called the Queer Straight Alliance so at least they don’t think it’s too offensive a word.
Person
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Well what’s unusual about it? Two people love each other, I dont really think that the gender matters.
Alright, this personally affects me too.
Firstly, I am personally fine with queer BUT that doesn’t mean every other queer person is fine with it and you should always ask first.
Secondly, @Shoelip Fuck no to “sexually unusual”. Just. Fucking. No.
Heh. I figured that one wouldn’t go over too well.
I think it sort of rings of newspeak or whatever right? Seemingly perfectly inoffensive, yet somehow sinister and threatening.
@Shoelip
Not when you break down ‘sexually unusual.’
As in, you’re unusual because of your choices.
Nobody likes to be called unusual for being themselves :x. [Granted, most should take pride for being different, but it doesn’t make it less offensive.]
Canisa is back, and as entertaining as ever.
@MrYoungzman Well, those people are irrational at best and self loathing at worst. Homosexuality is unusual. It’s evolutionarily unintuitive.
