@RRR, so you don’t think a man stripping is degrading?
Thank you for just proving my last point.
No comment.
Was that to me or P_Tigras?
@P_Tigras You are intetionally provocking me. Im going to have to ask you respectfully to change the subject.
@Bikkje Interesting! I love researching about serial killers. So fascinating.
@P_Tigras And on those occasions in the bedroom when they do want to be objectified (there is a reason why 50 Shades of Grey is so popular among a lot of women…), they want it to stop the second they want it to stop, and they still want to be treated with respect afterward.
Generalisations are awful. Even when you say “some women”, you are talking about the half of the global population, approximately. And Fifty Shades Of Grey is popular in the Neglected Housewives and Virgin Girls Who Write Yaoi Fanfiction demographic. No decent or experienced mind would read such, and again forgive me for being vulgar, crap. Not for enjoyment, at least. These people are clearly not the best women can offer.
Men however have traditionally had difficulty dealing with this switch in a respectful manner, so as a result they’ve been lectured to never objectify women.
I have read other opinions of yours, so I never expected you to say something so out of today’s reality. Men being lectured? Most families still inculcate obsolete values to their sons. I’ve seen it; on the streets, on the news… And if they are indeed being lectured, they take it as a joke of those bitchy feminist who don’t want to stay in the kitchen. Respectful men are not rape machines, respectful men do not have the good guy syndrome. Men are way better than that; I know they are and that they can be, they just need to stop ignoring the problem. It won’t go away if we ignore it.
Nevertheless this leaves a lot of women feeling bored and frustrated, and going after the sort of guys they know are bad for them. And a lot of men notice this and feel they are being fed a load of BS.
Good Guy Syndrome at its best!
So lots of people just get confused, and we have as a result, a culture where the boundaries of behavior in relationships aren’t so clear any more.
Well, people just need to ask. For example, being a gentleman is not necessarily open the doors of every female around the globe. Just ask the girl you date if she wants you to act like that with her. A good relationship, and not only a lover’s relationship, has communication as one of the biggest factors for its success.
@voodooDolly The Good Guy Syndrome?
@ZigZagZoom Heard about all those poor, good guys complaining that women liked men who abused them instead of them, the obviously oh-so-good guys that get “friend-zoned” because those stupid women cannot choose an appropriate partner? Basically, passive-aggressive bullshit, and this time I cannot help being crude.
They are not the great guys they claim to be, they are just men bitter because their “kindness” is not being paid with sex. Because, you know, women are machines in which you put a dollar and sex comes out. Obviously.
Let me try the dollar thing with my wife. It worked! Oh yes…
Ah yes, I’ve been accused of friend-zoning I wasn’t aware there was name for the male side. Although oddly it was my female friends that accused me off it not the male friend in question.
Was your lady friend lesbian?
It can happen with women too, I suppose. The Good Girl Syndrome, which could be complemented with the Madonna Whore Complex. Misogynist women, you could say. Stephenie Meyer is a good example of one of those.
@RRR, nope, apparently she felt that if a guy’s been your friend for long enough you owe him sex.
Wow. So youre supposed to have sex to all your friends? Am I a friend? 
@RRR Only the male ones…lesbian friends don’t count. And i’m pretty sure your wife might have something to say about that XD
@VoodooDolly. The Madonna whore complex, the inability to maintain sexual arousal within a committed, loving relationship? Also do you mind if I shorten your name? :}
I know. For all you idiots out there (P Tigras) I was joking.
@ZZZ Nope! I don’t mind at all.
And yes, the inability that some men have to see women beyond a property; they are either whores who cannot, should not, will not have the possibility to refuse their sexual advances. Or in the other hand, they are saint-like virgins, fragile women that must be taken care of.
Offensiveness, Offensiveness Everywhere.
Edit.
To explain it better: A woman is either a whore that must be punished, or a saint that must be owned, there’s no middle ground nor choice for women.
My wife is a gentlewoman. She likes having sex but it is not all she thinks about. She really is sensative about guys checking her out and sometimes I must intervene when things get out of hand.
I’ve only been upset by a guy ogling me once and I was a lot younger. It’s a very personal thing I guess what each person finds offensive.
Some girls enjoy the attention, while others will go beserk. Up to preference.