It was really good it remind me of the show wich i also like
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Quick question, Lucifer is a fallen archangel, shouldn’t Lucifer have 6 black wings instead of 2 or is it the other way around?
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Well all started becouse lucifer pointed out that God is not infallible, and it too can fail at things. So in the end Lucifer was “framed”
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Haven’t read it yet but just reading the description has me excited 
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Me: sees Dead by Daylight
Shit, we gotta contend with The Entity too? Crap…
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Lmao my same reaction! I was like… is this a reference? Coincidence?
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me just chanting in my mind that raziel is camus AAAAAAAA
also my mind rlly just goes immediately to obey me! whenever I read the names of the demons aaaa
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Alright, I am on mobile and trying to make a poll, I hope it works. So I’ve read a post on tumblr that people would like more non binary ROs. I have a few characters in both projects, but no LI for Morning Star…
I don’t want to add a new character, so the question is about an already existing RO since I don’t think it wouldn’t have much of an impact character-wise
Should I make Gabriel non-binary?
- Yes
- No
- Either is fine
0 voters
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I think, ultimately, it should be up to you. I hope the polls are just for guidance and not the final word, as you are the writer after all! I can’t say I have much of a preference but I’ll probably keep using male pronouns for Gabriel in my head because… for some reason, Gabriel can only be a man. 
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I like Gabriel as The girl I have a crush on
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If Gabriel needs changed then perhaps make it so you can choose them to be either male/female or non-binary, keep everyone happy that way
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Flippable isn’t hard since that’s all on the startup page, but I’m not sure that was the point of the poll. I do agree that there tends to be no more than one (if any) nonbinary ROs in the games that have romance. In this case, the reason the author may have asked (after peeking at the OP again) is probably because the RO balance skews feminine anyway. As much as I’m glad people are taking the difference between bio-sex, and gender seriously, if I understood the poll post correctly, that doesn’t change just because Gabriel is suddenly a they/them instead of a she/her. Do we need descriptions of curves, and such for them to still be an attractive individual? 
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If you decide to change Gabriel’s gender I would definitely prefer that they be nonbinary permanently rather than gender-selectable.
I’ve noticed a bit of a trend in current and abandoned WIPs that the only time they include a nonbinary love interest is as an option for the gender-selectable character, if the others are all established male or female. As a nonbinary person, it makes me feel more secondary when my rep is purely optional, and I would rather not have the gender-choice option than be included as an after-thought.
With that said though, I would prefer a nonbinary romance option included as explicitly so, rather than just changing around some pronouns and calling it a day. There’s still some problematic depictions of nonbinary characters, even in some published stories, and it’s something I wish authors realized that they need to actually research before writing, if they want to make it meaningful.
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I’m slightly confused. Is there an update? Or just a conversation?
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It’s a debate to decide on how a certain RO’s going to be portrayed.
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Is there a thread for this? I’ve actually been worried about writing nonbinary characters as I don’t want to end up upsetting anyone, not that I have a lot of nonbinary characters right now, but it’d be great for future reference. I always just figured they’d be written as I would for any other character, really. But if there’s a certain approach or ideal handling, I’d love to know.
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There’s several NB writing threads on here if you use the search function! I’ve linked a couple for you here:
Regarding non-human NB characters
Regarding NB MCs
Regarding the portrayal of NB characters versus cis and other trans characters
These threads also link to other threads.
I also want to say that one of the problems with writing NB characters is that NB is a vast umbrella of identities. My gender identity is very different from someone who is genderfluid, or bigender, for example. But NB characters are often included so rarely, and generally so poorly that we can really only hope for one single generically-written NB in the story. There won’t be any description of their identity, or it will be barely acknowledged, beyond the pronoun change. And to be fair, I do understand that. It’s a lot to ask a binary person to write every single NB variation into their story.
My main problem is that NB characters are often written similarly to each other across all stories.
Putting under a cut to keep this topic on track.
They will be androgynous, more than likely with feminine features combined with a masculine style of dress. You won’t usually get a character described with masculine features and feminine tastes, or a character that has masculine features and masculine tastes, or feminine features and feminine tastes. The typical design is something that has generally made it harder for NB people, because we’re expected to fit into a specific mold and design in order to have our identity accepted by cis people.
Usually they’ll be either sweet and generally flawless, or zany and ditzy, like a Cloudcuckoolander. Sometimes a combination of the two, but you don’t usually see quiet, flawed, angry NB characters. If they can be in a game, it’s probably because they’re an option for the gender-customizable character.
To bring this all back to Gabriel, I think Gabriel would be a nice depiction of a nonbinary person, since based on their description they are flawed and don’t fit what is usually the portrayal of them. With that said, I don’t want to see them written as NB if it’s only for the purpose of hitting some sort of “diversity quota.” I want to see NB characters have their identities influence their writing and make them characters outside of their pronouns. Explicitly describing their gender identity instead of just saying “their gender is nonbinary” would help. Allowing for diverse depictions rather than the token enby in the corner would be cool.
NB people are diverse in opinion, and I know there will be NB people who do and do not agree with the specifics of what I’ve said here. But I think we can all agree that simple acknowledgement is just the start.
gosh i am so sorry i did not mean to make this a rant
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First things first: Thank you for all the comments and participation!
Gabriel is an angel. In the universe I created there are no genders among them, but when they enter the Material Plane (earth), they have to choose a human appearance. So all the conflicts one has with their gender etc, are not applying to them. They are supernatural beings after all with a choice from the very beginning.
That’s why I chose Gabriel as an option. The humans have set genders for a reason, and there’s a wholely different one for Raphael who is also an angel.
Of course it’s just a guidance, but I wanted to know how my readers felt about it. Seeing that most people tend to “no” or “either is fine” I’ll leave it like that.
Nevertheless, I understand and respect the difficulties non-binary people are experiencing and I don’t want them to feel left out. When I make a non-binary character I don’t just make them for fun (aka just put it in there so you have completed your list of diversity TM)
And yeah, you just do that 
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Personally the image of Gab as a lazy gamer who tries to run from her responsibilities is too strong to picture otherwise, but to each their own.
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With that description you’re making me want to romance her instead of Lilith 
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