Well… i understand that and won’t purposely pursue a romance with her she can keep her ideology , i won’t even attempt to change her… i was thinking some sort of rival-mance like those among competitors , to best her in election/parliament debate or counter her propaganda attempt … call her out for a drink and bicker about our differences … some sort of funny romantic situation like “Mr & Mrs Smith” , like she open a shot on me but asking " hey MC…are you still alive ? "
I also hope Herta will survive the violence , most probably i will secretly request she not be harm among my followers…or i can wear a mask and save her from deadly situation ? Definitely lots of fun in this route …
Yeah… i must admit i respect Vitori the most , she got visions and courage… she should be a better leader than Rosa
yupe … agree with the rest of your statements, one reason i am willing to serve under Rosa is that i want to become a peacekeeper among the solidarity rank , so that this group is willing to work with other factions when the time comes
I would definitely like more Solidarity MC/Herta interactions. As I mentioned earlier, Fascist MC and Franz are definitely rivals, even debating each other before the whole stabbing incident. Having a rival for the Solidarity MC would be nice.
Yep. Vitori is great . I am also a big fan of the Popular Front plan. Best chance of stopping the fascists, Vitori will be a historical PM and does have some solid economic plans that should help alleviate the effects of the Depression. I do not really have anything against Rosa, but I do not see her really having the ability to unite beyond the more radical Left. As such, my MC has definitely taken the more compromise/pro-popular front positions (although I did shamelessly steal that Union from the SDP )
That’s one of the main flaws I see in both factions ideologies. They seem very much to be a “my way or the highway” kind of people. I don’t see them making lasting or very meaningful relationships with other nations unless they change their beliefs pretty substantially. Even the nations with similar political ideologies, Nazi Germany for the fascists and the Soviet Union for the socialists, are hated by the Moravians. While some “alliances” can be made they seem to be either an alliance born of necessity (France) or because they think they can control Moravia’s politics (Italy). I don’t see Moravia leaving the war with many friends if they keep up their current attitudes and beliefs.
I am also curious what is Lou 's role in all this, She will film her 2nd movie there, but once she finish filming will she be flying back to America ? Can i persuade Lou to stay for me through marriage? I know her manager is courting her as well …so i can’t simply let Lou go back to America , and she seems addicted to cocaine , i must ensure she stop harming herself like that and allow people to take advantage of her
yeah… that is very sad, there seems to be little compromise among both factions , if MC can somehow influence Herta to soften her stance , she can be a voice of reasoning among her own faction
It would be cool to do what China did when Japan invaded and put up a united front against the Germans. Despite one side being communist and the other being a republic they put aside their differences (for the most part) to fight against a foreign invader. I think with the socialists ability to gain the support of the common man and the fascists military prowess we would be able to put up a stiff resistance.
The game is set 1934-1935, right? Since the country is so small, my guess is it will not a very long civil war (and my guess is you can probably build enough support that it is essentially a quick coup based on some other things I have seen posted in the thread). This should wrap up well before WW2!
That makes sense. Oh well, I guess a united front with Solidarity is a dream that will never come true . On the other hand a unified country could probably put up a better resistance than a separate but allied nation. Plus nothing gains you support like fighting a foreign invader. Just look how the fascists gained so much popularity in the story.
I think this is not necessary the interpretation “errors” could meant the way we deal with our differences , not necessary ideology … for example, right now, both factions were endorsing street violence , the MC could try to persuade Herta that this is an error where both side should calm down the violence … and it could also implying how we interact with one another, while my MC is willing to take first step in approaching a rival , if Herta simply push my MC away without even trying to communicate, this is consider her “error” …
I hope i manage to express my vision correctly , as this is not meant to indicate whose ideology is right or wrong
I think you explained it very well. While I am very opposed to Solidarity’s beliefs I also believe it would be wrong to call one of these ideologies right or wrong. We have to understand that people have very understandable reasons for believing that their chosen ideology is the one they should follow. If people didn’t identify with communism, fascism, capitalism, or monarchism none of these beliefs would gain any traction. But it doesn’t help the credibility of either side in the story when they are one incident away from starting open war in the streets.
This is a bit of a change of topic, but I have a question. Does anyone know what happens with the election if you choose not to make the alliance? Can your preferred force (left or right) still win, and if so will it just be a coalition government? Thanks!
Some choices in the game increase hidden stats of party popularity. For example the New Order starts with 35 but your choices can increase it to a lot more. If you picked a lot of choices like that your party could win without any outside help
I just realized that since Riga was changed to leader of resistance against Germans in WWI, it will be interesting if he ends as leader of Resistance in WWII. not only he will already have experience even if he needs to adapt but It could be legitimately be the New Order Path that will result in Tito. Im also interested in how this will impact legitimacy of fascism, considering that Italy is still going with germany and Spain is not fascism but Clerical authoritarism, Portugal might be closer.
Also Author should Look at Stresa Front United at AlternateHistory.com It might provide good idea for how succesfull fascism might look like
Nazism is substantially different from even “normal” fascism, so the hatred is not so surprising. In many ways it is more surprising fascist Italy even allied with Nazi Germany at all.
The basics however are this, where fascism focuses on a corporatist state emphasizing nationalism and militarism, Nazism incorporated the advancement of the Aryan master race and genocide for genocide’s sake into an already bad ideology.
If you’re really interested there’s tons of books written on the subject that are just a Google search away.
Although as @Cataphrak will never fail to stress Mao (and some of the other remaining warlords too) offered only token “support” whenever he could get away with it and was pretty content to let the KMT nationalists bleed themselves white against the Japanese invaders. A strategy that substantially aided the Communist in the resumed civil war later on.
Successful fascism, at least if it remains ideologically pure is a contradiction in terms as fascism requires constant militarism and the resultant military adventures, both for the loot to keep its economy going and for the ideology’s own sake. Pure doctrinaire fascism that ever became dominant enough the have no significant outside enemies left would have no choice the either radically moderate or turn on and consume itself. After all when your ideology proclaims that warfare is the natural role of the man, as natural as drawing breath you’d be in trouble without it.
by that logic succesfull communism is contradiction as it requires using overhelming authority and leadership class to implement classless society with authority being self policing.
Does fascism proclaim that warfare is the only natural role of man ? or natural role of man as in its perfectly natural ? because mankind fought, mankind also built and mankind traded. There is nothing unnatural about
war it isnt good but its natural. in fact Fascism shares similarities with Roman Empire according to you definition. Fascism just like Roman empire isnt shy about using militarism for its prospherity and benefit, it seems force just as another sort of power, Soft power hard power they are all equals for they are all merely means to secure the well being of society.
There’s many kind of communism that reject centralized authority and who the USSR actively repressed to let peoples believe that the soviets nationalist communism was the only way. Historically nations who followed this path tended to be in the soviet sphere and were violently repressed but since moravia is radically anti-soviet and wont be in the USSR sphere its not exagerated to think that in this universe anti-authoritarian communism will be a lot stronger in moravia than the authoritarian kind. Its also good to remember that while Stalin was happy to deal with the fascists, Rosa here absolutely despise them and reject their kind of leadership. Solidarity moravia wont be like the USSR like you guys seem to believe. In fact USSR interference is probably gonna be a huge problem in the sequel.
Communism doest require overwhelming authority and a leadership class, authoritarianism does.
Agreed. I just meant that the simple fact that both Moravia and Nazi Germany were technically fascist could have been used as a building block for future cooperation. Although I feel they hate the Germans more for WW1 then being Nazis. That’s just my opinion though
Despite only offering token support Mao and the other warlords did effectively enter a ceasefire with the Republic of China. While I suppose this isn’t exactly a united front against the Japanese it did free up valuable manpower and supplies to help hold back the Japanese war machine. In the case of the story while I can’t see the fascists and socialists fighting side by side against the Germans, I can see them signing a ceasefire and waging their own wars against the occupying forces. But as it has been stated before I highly doubt this will happen seeing as how the civil war will most likely be over by the time of the German invasion.
you know that only thing that is important on wikipedia is list of sources right.
anyways Im aware of Spain etc, the problem is that Anarcho-communism is by nature unorganized thefore if there is inter ideology conflict anarcho communism is necessarily at disadvantage so while in theory this communist theory exists in practice it never got to power.
Nevertheless i really dont see why if we are making it possible for communism to succeed why dont we do the same for fascism ? There are two paths after all
she can keep her ideology , i won’t even attempt to change her… i was thinking some sort of rival-mance like those among competitors , to best her in election/parliament debate or counter her propaganda attempt … call her out for a drink and bicker about our differences … some sort of funny romantic situation like “Mr & Mrs Smith” , like she open a shot on me but asking " hey MC…are you still alive ? " 
. I am also a big fan of the Popular Front plan. Best chance of stopping the fascists, Vitori will be a historical PM and does have some solid economic plans that should help alleviate the effects of the Depression. I do not really have anything against Rosa, but I do not see her really having the ability to unite beyond the more radical Left. As such, my MC has definitely taken the more compromise/pro-popular front positions (although I did shamelessly steal that Union from the SDP 
. On the other hand a unified country could probably put up a better resistance than a separate but allied nation. Plus nothing gains you support like fighting a foreign invader. Just look how the fascists gained so much popularity in the story.