United We Stand - Political WIP

This is really very exciting! I’ve given it a quick play through and I’m really impressed with the gameplay and flow of the story.

I spotted a number of minor typos tho! If you would like i can pm you instead :slight_smile:

@nauhziy thanks very much! Yeah, it would be brilliant if you could DM me those typos, thanks

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Hi @AlexClifford1994, so the country’s politics is a proportional representative. So I am guessing that it is a closed-party list PR system, since I do not think it was mentioned whether I or someone else was elected by some constituency. If so then my MC is kind of in trouble because I voted for the amended financial bill which Wulf, our party leader, did not approve of.

The MC was elected by the party to represent its interests therefore technically I went against party line and I am wondering whether Wulf could kick me out. This problem is similar to what is happening in my country. There is a faction within the ANC that wants the president out but they will not vote against him, at least not in an open ballot, because their fear losing their jobs as MP’s. Recently, the Constitutionally Court had to weigh in on this whether a vote of no confidence can be done through a secret ballot since constitution was silent on this. Funny enough, when elected a president it is done through a secret ballot.

Anyway, so what does the Morovian constitution say about MP’s who do not toe the party line?

She seems to need us ,for the moment anyway. I come from a country that has proportional representation with closed party lists and no other types of constituencies. Generally speaking there are two barriers to just kicking your mp’s out of the party, first of all is their own power-base and allies, second is the fact that doing so tends to schism the party, so minor transgressions by powerful mp’s tend to be glossed over for the sake of party unity. Coups in our political parties tend to happen when there is an election in sight and who gets (high enough) on the list to actually, probably be electable gets decided. If Wulf wants to take reprisals against us for this expect see the mc bumped down a few places on the list, possibly below the what the polls say is the likely electable threshold for the party.
Even that may not work with particularly powerful mp’s because they still tend to get elected in our system on preferential votes. Basically on our ballot you can tick the box besides any candidate you like on the list of your preferred party and most of our parties, except the minor 1-2 seats ones always have between 1-4 candidates who get elected on such preferential votes.
Of course to get elected on preferential votes to number of voters who tick your box on the party list must meet or exceed the threshold for a single seat.
It has even happened a number of times that the number 2-3 on the list got more votes then the party leader this way.

Here’s a picture of one of our ballot papers:

Note all the round boxes before the names of each candidate on the party list?
Get enough people to tick the box before (in the past it used to be behind) your name and if that number exceeds the number needed to win a single seat, you’re guaranteed to be in.

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I think that is an open-list party PR system because you can choose candidate within the party. In my country, that does not happen. You only vote for a party. So it looks something like this.

You tick next to your preferred party of choice. The pictures you see next to the party logo are party leaders. In my opinion it is rather stupid but much more preferable than a majoritarian first past the post system. If that was the case the ANC would have more than enough of the parliamentary seats to amend the constitution at will.

No problem there, Wulf should take from President Zuma’s playbook and just fire the MP. Our president removed a popular minister, our minister of fiance, without consulting his own party or party allies when he shuffled his cabinet at midnight. At the dead of night he axed rowdy ministers who defied him and still his the party is unable to take action against him because they are so divided.

A divided party cannot unite against you. Party unity is a useful whip to get dissenters to keep quiet, we all have some principle way to protect our behinds when the getting goes tough.

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But it’s standard of the day that was considered great. I take it you’re talking about the awkward electric boogie dance circle that was going over the Spanish throne.

My people didn’t want change regime because a french noble told them so. Spanish war in Napoleon times was absolutely popular, no real regular army nor real a state defense. It is the first modern era example You can’t force a entire population to be like you want because you are more powerful. My people decided that it was our call decided what system have and what king and what system. Who he dare come here and decide my people should be like France

Hmm…when I was still in high-school they called it closed because our parties do not hold primaries open to the public, or indeed any primaries at all. In most of our parties position is determined by your ability to play the internal party machine. Though of course the members do vote on it at some point, it is just that in most parties, including our Green one I’m a member of the members only get to vote at the very end of the process and we can accept or reject or very slightly amend the proposed slate of candidates only.

But you’re right internationally it is apparently considered open.

Ah, in our system any elected representative has a right to retain the seat he was elected to until his term is up, so firing popular MP’s just tends to give you a minor party with nearly the same ideology as you and this has backfired spectacularly on the (former) major party on occasion, our Christian democratic parties were the object lesson in this in the immediate post-war period.

That only works here if you manage to hit the fine line where they won’t split-off yet are unable to unite against you. A difficult sweet-spot to hit in our system. We tend to compromise in most cases, rather than gamble on being able to pull this off.

I guess that works in a politically competitive country. Here, not so much. If you decide to break off you are more likely to take the vote share of opposition parties instead of the governing party. I never asked, weirdly, which country are you from?

Compromising works when done on good faith. Since in my country we are a closed party system, parliament really acts ceremonially. Policies are decided within party systems. If we look at the governing party’s system it becomes clear that controversial policies become deadlocked in the political mud even if the overwhelming majority approves. The ANC works by consensus (this is due to an appeal to how African chiefs governed their lands), everyone has to agree basically. Imagine a bill that has 70% approval in the governing party, since 30% do not agree there is a stalemate. Comprising here works only when everyone already agrees or the motion is watered down enough that it becomes paper tiger.

I noticed another thing when discussing the deal between the New Order and the Civil Guard with Lydia:

Well it took a lot of meetings," she explains, “It took months of joint committees and a secert deal with the police union to make the uniforms, but all that hard work has come to fruition.”

This part seems to be copied from the deal you can do with Kant to join both paramilitary forces. The problem is this part makes no sense for the New Order deal, because there is no new uniform for them to use.

Why the spy who want to manipulate you and steal the secrets of the country must be so attractive?

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Because sex sells. I mean since Rome or before spies has been sexy to use attractions , for obtain info

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I know, but I’m not sure I can resist her charms :stuck_out_tongue:

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Reason she was sexy. But I should be a sexy male spy for other options like Alexandro The sexy Casanova spy :wink:

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You can already become the Queen of Moravia, leave the Secy spy for the guys :smile:

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But what about the gays they need a sexy spy too.

I think the gays guys won’t play the New Order side, and I think they are well served with Franz and Jules/Anton/Pierre/French Guy.

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We can? I thought Alex said: Denied to this …

You can if you romance the Prince and go for the pragmatic ending for the New Order.

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Don’t make me cry @Eiwynn I want be the Queen with my husband Cucumber the puppet

The Prince will not become a puppet in the pragmatic New Order ending:[quote=“AlexClifford1994, post:526, topic:19177”]
Urban:
If I go with the moderate New Order path, will the Prince become a puppet for the New Order or he will be the true power in Moravia?

Basically a sort of power share between the prince and his ministers
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