United We Stand - Political WIP

And the right wing have the native genocides, the jewish genocide, the armenian genocide, countless other genocides lost to history, hundreds of years of unchecked imperialism, slavery, gross abuse of those who can defend themselves the least, normalised corruption, encouraged gender inequality and countless other things since the day the first king was born for no reasons other than that they felt threatenend by human rights and progress or in many cases just because they felt like it. Nobody here is going to change their opinion so focus on the game please.

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Don’t you think that’s oversimplification I don’t know about you but I do not crave the responsibility that comes with kingship even with all the nice perks because that’s a burden that is far too heavy to bear for most people. I was internally uncomfortable the thought of having four lives in my hand. Imagine you’re born to having millions of lives in your hand and you’re responsible for all their well-being.

And you doing over generalization of the right. We’re talking about the modern Notions of the far right and left. And communism for being so new between them and fascism they have both have quite equally bloody hands. I mean communism got children that kill their parents literally. I am guy that like my social democracy.

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I literally just said to stop baiting and focus on the game

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This does going to discussion of the game because we all reflecting on a legacy which both political ideologies are huge focus in the game. So we going have talk about their sins and both are seductive quality. I think your issue is compadre is that cannot accept the communism has larger body count then fascism. I mean they’re both great examples the road to hell is paved in good intentions. Because both parties genuinely believe they have a good intentions. If we’re going to be intellectually honest with their prespective. Obviously one is at score incredibly racist and horrible. Any other sounds great on paper but when you ever see it get into power oh dear God it kills hundreds of tens of thousands if not Millions. Unless we are talking about the Portuguese communists they’re all right.

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Have fun arguing with yourself I’m out. Doubt Alex really need you to describe “communism” (you seem to have missed the part where I have been anti-authoritarianism for the whole thread) and this is not helping for the game developpement.

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Historically speaking if you’re going to get rid of fascism you should probably get rid of communism in this game. The argument can be made that communism or true communism has never been truly implemented. You can look at every government that try to be open the communist and something goes normally horribly wrong. Now people make the argument that they’re not and develop enough Nation to support it. Then you can always ask a question why do Communist governments nine times out of ten consistently form some type of authoritarian regime. Literally that’s the path in this game we could go down and I don’t know if we could avoid it. Of course it’s up to the author in the end is it even plausible.

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I already answered that question many times on this thread. You’re clearly not even reading what I’m writing anymore. I could write tuna sandwich and you would write 2 parapraph trying to convince me that andrew jackon loved indians and that nazis were actually the good guys. This is just troll baiting now so I’m letting the admins take care of this. I did tell you to drop it multiple times and focus on the game.

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This is a subject of the game why you’re taking it so personal is beyond me. And I’m doing research on that. That the only governments that try to do anything of communist movement do not represent is not best answer. Literally because the time. This game is based on we see different models of Communism and they have old failed horribly just as poorly as fascism did. So the question is why does this make you uncomfortable to talk about it when this is indeed a focus of the game.

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Because the admins told us to cut the arguments for Alex sake. You shut up for a minute and read my old posts like I just told you to do instead of ignoring what I write you will have my answers to all of your questions and this wont have to keep this going any further.

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Respect @cyanide here - Solidarity is a fictional party in a fictional country in a fictional game. You are arguing in circles now, for a reason lost to Alex’s latest question.

The focus of the game is governing in Morovia which has parallels to our historical world but it is not an exact copy. The characters in this story are fictional as is the history and the country itself.

So let’s focus on what Alex Clifford wants and not in trying to prove a historical reality point.

Edit - Cyanide my suggestion is to not respond in anger here but to flag any posts you have issues with and let the moderators do their thing from that point forward.

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Of course sorry. I thought I could get him to drop it, read my old posts instead of arguing and contribute but it didnt go anywhere. I hope this mean everyone will just drop the ideological crusades for now and finally focus on the game like it was asked.

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Fictional country in fictional place yes but dealing with very real ideologies during a very real period In history. The game in and of itself is a reflection in a simulation of this historical reality without the baggage of a real location. So it would be honest scussion to talk about how they were implemented during that time period what were the different ideological clashes within the factions themselves and how did that reflect in history and intern How will that reflecting game. Because historically speaking both of them have a long ugly dark shadow. I mean could we pull off a communist state that is not authoritarian because that never historically happen and then we can go and answer the big question why that never happened. I’m not trolling I’m not baiting I’m being utterly serious. The game itself can be a medium used to explore that question.

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This is up to the author and it is not what he wants to discuss at this time. If you want to discuss the historical implementation of communist regimes then you can start a new thread on this in off-topic forums or take it to pm.

This is not an exploration of our exact historical record - Alex’s published game does this. This game is about the dynamics of a fictional nation in a fictional world that has basis in our history but still is divorced.

Alex has divorced this game’s historical time-line from the reality because he doesn’t want the real life “discussion” you seem to want to discuss here. He is not @Cataphrak who allows a much more far-ranging discussion. Alex has stated specifically what he wanted to talk about but you are taking it away from that topic and insist on talking at the issues of our history - not the game, not the game’s history and not what Alex has asked us to discuss.

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Well here’s an idea out of nowhere…

Perhaps the way to implement multiple, but opposing parties in this WIP would be to have more options but a tighter focus?
What I mean by this is, in the beginning of the game we see this screen:

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We are presented with specifically two options: “socialist” or “fascist.”
For extra flavor, why not add a capitalist option or a religious option, or a scientific option?

A political story/game that is clearly trying to exist in a fantasy setting does not have to be that political at all in order to achieve critical and financial success.

I would suggest at looking at the victory conditions from an established series like Sid Meier’s Civilization.
Here’s an entry that I hope will be useful for inspiration:
http://civ6.gamepedia.com/Victory_condition

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the game in itself is exploring these ideas and you can look back at the previous an earlier posts and you can see that in discussion. This is an argument neither of us is going to be convinced.

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The response has been pretty clear, so I’ve decided to maintain the New Order path. Any other option (and thank you to those who have outlined alternatives) would require a lot of work and change the nature of the game to a greater or lesser extent.

I must say I’m surprised by how heated some of the arguments have got, thought we’d got over communism v fascism a few hundred posts ago, but I can understand that this is a political game and politics tends to arouse strong emotions.

For the sake of clarity, while this is a thread dedicated to my project, I don’t mind wider political and historical discussion, however I will make an exception for the whole communism and fascism: which is worse debate. We’ve covered that extensively on this thread, I’ve had my say on the issue and it feels as if no one is going to be swung one way or the other. If people want to discuss it further start a new discussion.

TL DR thanks for the contributions, i’ll keep New Order. Feel free to discuss history and politics, but let’s leave the communism v fascism debate here

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I enjoyed the most recent update Alex keep up the good work. Chaos is always a fascinating subject.

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The thread owner has spoken. I’ve deleted the subsequent posts on this debate.

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Is there a more recent update than the demo link in the original post?

I just want to know because I’m new to this thread and craving for more of this game.

Not sure if 561 and the header are the same. It’s an update from a few weeks ago but I’ve been on vacation myself so just played through it now.