The Wings of Angels (World War II Aviation game WIP)(On Hiatus)

@idonotlikeusernames

You probably don’t mean it, but I am getting an impression that you are thinking that all Germans are Nazis and war criminals. You know how much I hate that statement. Ever heard of Franz Stigler?

Incidentally, I do find the Kawasaki planes fairly underrepresented compared to the Mitsubishi planes, but that probably has something to do with the former mostly used by the army and the latter navy. But I love the J2M2, a Japanese energy fighter for crying out loud.

Edit: I said Kawasaki right? Actually I was wrong. The planes with the Ki designations are actually from Nakajima. The N1K from Kawanishi is also a beautiful plane.

@Herrington
Oh I could hug you, the Franz Stigler/Charlie Brown story is one of the most awesome ww2 stories out there. :smiley:
The Mitsubishi A6M, Ki-61, Mitsubishi J2M Raiden Navy Interceptor Fighter, Mitsubishi Ki-46 and Nakajima Ki-43 will all make appearances, all but one you will get to shoot down. :wink:

Btw Despite them being army fighters, in several battles the army deployed their fighters to assist the navy, Though it usually didnt end too well from what ive read lol.

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@Herrington @idonotlikeusernames
I am open to a Japanese campaign, however i would NEED to consult people who know more about the Japanese Military/tradition then me. My knowledge in that area is limited sadly i must admit. :frowning:

@spytim

I wouldn’t mind having a Japanese campaign as its own game just so you can concentrate on researching for that after you finish this game. Not too knowledgeable about that too I’m afraid. I’ll see if I can find something but don’t count on it since my Google Fu is horrible.

@Herrington
Alright, thanks. :slight_smile:

Of course I don’t think that. That being said the various successive post-war German governments could certainly have done more to keep the former Nazi’s, not merely those forced to sympathize (or join the Hitler youth, which nearly every non-handicapped boy back then was, and let’s not talk about the handicapped ones) but the hardcore former Nazi’s out of power.
The absolute low point for me as a jurist was the unfathomable decision of the German Bundesgerischtshof in 1956 to grant their so-called Judge’s privilege to all former judges and prosecutors of the former Nazi Volksgerichtshof, including posthumously Freisler himself forever denying their own people to opportunity to seek justice, worse some of those prosecutors went on to have “distinguished” legal careers afterwards.
That the German social democrats of the SPD allowed this to happen and in particular that Schroder didn’t overturn that decision when he had the chance is something I will always hold against the German government and the SPD in particular.
Legally speaking for me it’s the British government’s disgraceful show about not apologizing for Turing enhanced and magnified about 10000 times. :unamused:
So if I were ever to meet one of those “distinguished” jurists it would be fair to say I wouldn’t have a shred of respect for them or their “legacy” (side note I did get into an argument with one of the daughters of those people who guest lectured at my university and who dared to say her father taught her to respect the law to which I disagreed, vehemently and vociferously. In my opinion the guy should have been disbarred for life).

Of course I also lost family to the Nazi occupation, most notable my great-grandfather’s brother who was apparently summarily executed for “resistance activities” by the local SS.

In short it is the same as with the US, I have my issues with their government, not so much with most of the German people (I’ve certainly dated a few cute guys there a couple years back).

Wasn’t there someone trying to do a game about 1920’s or 30’s Japan on here sometime ago? Maybe they have the knowledge you seek. After all the people around these forums are certainly a diverse and eclectic bunch. :wink:

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I’ll find someone to help me, thank you. Do you have any suggestions for the story? Specific battles, planes or options for customization?

I don’t know how you plan to approach things but you can treat the MC as an “Ace” level pilot being brought into a new squadron - I know you don’t want to change history per se but does it matter if it was the historical lieutenant leading the Midway Wildcat defense or the MC? I don’t mean replace the real heroes with our MC, only add one more.

Btw: is this game going to be gender-locked?

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Yes, very similar to Sabres of Infinity in that regard. Btw, by Ace I assume you mean the skill of the pilot? Or prior combat victories?

Both - I assumed you wanted the MC to be in the thick of things and not a trainee on Pearl Island or some other trainer base of the Army Air Force :wink:

So, I just thought we’d be a mix of Top Gun’s pilot +Red Baron’s infamy/fame).

You are correct, the MC will go into battle fully trained. :slight_smile:

yeah or something along that line…

I have a question: would it be possible to have a female MC that’s disguised as a male? I know a similar game called Marine Raiders did that and it was during WWII…

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Except we weren’t disguised, the female combat lieutenant in that game is, I believe described as Eleanor Roosevelt’s personal pet project and a trial run for the wider adoption of female front-line officers. :wink:
But you can always ask the author of that game @AllenGies for more details.

Sadly not during the pacific storyline, however, the Russians did use female pilots so then ill be able to add female mc options.

@valentine_v_daygirl : As @idonotlikeusernames pointed out, Marine Raider had the option to play as a Female Lieutenant owing to the intervention of Eleanor Roosevelt. This was ahistorical but interactive fiction is about choices and so I went with it. No regrets. There was also the option to play as no particular gender, which meant the player was always referred to as Lieutenant rather than Sir or Ma’am.

The backstory for this, never delved into in the actual text, involved the Night Witches of east front fame. @spytim will have both hands full on that story because those women had it rough in innumerable ways; making desperate nighttime attacks in obsolete planes against German formations who had plenty of firepower to throw into the air. That was the main reason those women learned to cut their engines and glide in on the approach, dropping their bombs and rattling off their machine guns before they restarted their engines and flew off, usually having surprised the hell out of the Germans- hence the name of Night Witches. Anyway, since the Soviets were fielding female pilots and even female tank crews, I figured Eleanor would push from some sort of American program to show that the U.S. could do the same.

There were women pilots in other armed forces. There was Hannah Reitsch of German fame. Test pilot, IIRC.

There were definitely female pilots who ferried aircraft across the Atlantic to Britain, and while those planes had only limited armaments, those pilots did on occasion bomb German submarines and protect allied shipping. After all, no submarine wants to stay on the surface when there is an enemy airplane around, even if they do suspect that it isn’t packing a full rack of explosives.

The Canadians and British also had women in their air-force, as Wrens and… I don’t recall the other designation. Though these were not front line deployments, there were women with pilots licenses and training involved.

Not certain about other nations. Italy didn’t have a women’s auxiliary air force to my recollection, though I could be wrong. Finland, maybe. Romania would be a long shot. Hungary and Bulgaria are likewise.

Marine Raider 2 remains in development, mainly because I’m finding less and less time to work on a project that I let get away from me. But in it, you can still play as a female Marine officer. You can also try to sink enemy vessels in harbor by paddling up to the hull in a canoe and stuffing a seam with explosives. That part has proven much more difficult to code than anything gender related. :slight_smile:

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For a battle I would like to have most of the major ones like Battle of Stalingrad and Midway.

I’m more of a tank person, but as someone who enjoys military stuff and history, I’m looking forward toward this.

It would be interesting to play as a Japanese pilot flying a Zero. Saburo Sakai was a great pilot.

Kursk might be a good air campaign. The Soviet air-force managed to maintain air parity over the salient while the brutal tank battles were going on. In fact, the flaming carcasses of shot down aircraft sometimes fell directly amid the combat area, adding to the chaos of the close range armored duels.

Also, a weird series of air battles occurred during operation Torch, when the Allies invaded French North Africa. Carrier flown fighters (and some from Gibraltar) tangled with French planes on numerous occasions. Sometimes an Allied plane would be forced to make a landing at a French airfield owing to battle damage. If the game needs a scene where the player is briefly a Prisoner of War, that might fit.

@Hunter-RVN
The Zero was such an awesome plane. It will be a very common occurrence in this game. Though a couple other even more deadly designs will appear… :wink:
@AllenGies
I was planning a POW scene you could get into, trick is I don’t want it to last too long or I’ll just be writing a great escape game haha :joy:

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