It is possible to have a good relationship with our daughter even if we focu on skill but it is much more difficult
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I do have something of a feeling that Caesarās Legion wouldnāt much like Iudia or Juliaā¦
You will, but there will also be consequences for choosing to prioritize the accumulating skills over spending time with her. The choice is meant to be impactful either way.
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My prefect has 70 relationship with Augusta at this point even though heās not related to her, started at 0 and got a skill rather than early bonus so yeah, itās not difficult really.
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I donāt think Ceasarās Legion has ever met someone like Julia. Knowing her, either she creates her own army and kicks ass, or Caesar makes her an exception to the rule. He is a rather pragmatic fellow, after all.
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I was about to say Iāve never seen a female legionary in Caesarās legion, which indicated I probably didnāt want to know what happened to all the women they enslaved, turns out I was right.
Fallout lore
The Legion employs a very strict hierarchy and clear division of roles between the sexes. Legionaries are the main fighting force of the Legion, composed of able bodied men enslaved by the Legion or born into it. They have only one purpose: to fight for Caesar until they fall in battle. This principle is imprinted into each legionary during his reconditioning or upbringing (for those born into slavery), creating fanatically loyal soldiers. Unlike the Roman Empire, experience and veterancy has no bearing on a legionaryās position. While they receive better equipment as they advance, this is solely for the purpose of accomplishing more dangerous and complex tasks, with much smaller tolerance for failure. They have no personal freedoms or rights.[32] Their only real choice is where and when they die for Caesar, to whom they are disposable tools, discarded the moment they stop fulfilling their purpose.[33][34]
Women are expressly forbidden from fighting and act as support corps. They are caretakers, healers, midwives and breeders, fulfilling roles essential to maintaining the Legionās continuous campaign of expansion. Of particular note are the priestesses, who raise children taken from their parents, and raise them in keeping with Caesarās doctrine.[35]
While some members of the Legion express condescending or downright misogynistic opinions of women and their non-combat roles, the inherently sexist segregation of genders in the Legion is not based on prejudice, but the principle of minimax. Caesar strictly divides the duties between the sexes in order to fully utilize their potential and optimize the Legionās might. As harsh as it sounds, by forbidding women from combat he increases their output of children (necessary due to the high infant mortality resulting from low level of medical care),[36] giving him a greater number of slave warriors to use in his military campaigns. Caesar himself is not particularly prejudiced against any sex, or rather, treats them both instrumentally, like pawns on a chessboard."[33][34]
In order to maximize breeding and eliminate factors that might lower it, Caesar has decreed homosexuality a capital offence[37] and mandated child quotas from all legionaries.[38]
I hate the legion, I hate the legion, I hate the legionā¦
Also about Lanius:
The Courier: āWhat do you know about Legate Lanius?ā
Siri: āThe Legate is not a man to be crossed, especially if youāre a woman. Thatās all I will say about it.ā
(Siriās dialogue)
I think āpragmaticā is a very kind way to put it.
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Oh, itās going to hurt. Iām torn between not wanting to see that and being curious, but I think snooping instead of doing it myself will at least mitigate some of the painā¦ at least Iām not creating puppet Augusta myself.
Most impressive. Iāve toyed with the idea of trying to balance the factions better (which is probably better for a stability/duty focused character like Iām playing my MC) but I just like the Senate too much. Whoops. But itās something I think I might try sometimeā¦
I am definitely going to leave a waypoint saveā¦ Iām torn between the get outed by Titus option (just because I want Augusta to know who her true father is but I feel like this will be the MAXIMUM painful option sadly and I fear it wonāt go well, haha) and the reconcile with Titus option. I probably wonāt go through with the, uh, murder marriage option because thatās not really how I want to play my MC though I am curious to see what Augusta says to that, ESPECIALLY Paragon Augusta.
Iām going to have to drop a waypoint save in chapter 4 and just play through the various permutations to see what Augusta says in chapter 5ā¦
Yes, falloutās legion is the actual worst.
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Oh how did you do it,Iām interested
Got the Titus reconciliation. Felt great. Soon we will be best buddies. Augusta double dad crew. Incredible scenes.
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Basically, simply by being nice and supportive. Checking my saves, the relationship went to ~25 by the end of ch.1, 32 by the end of ch.2, 50 by the end of ch.3 and then 70 by the end of ch.4
Thereās few points where you can get large jumps (+10) with Augusta: in ch.1 (choose to escort her to her quarters) in ch.3 (let her preside over the council rather than dismiss it when youāre forced to leave) and in ch.4 (choose to see Augusta rather than talk with Julia after their conflict) Combine this with plenty of opportunities for smaller +2-5 point gains, and it all adds up.
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Aight noted
Thx for the advice
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I was talking about Caesar being pragmatic. Speaking of Lanius, I would categorise him as being pragmatic from a military point of view. But still, he is the āMonster of the Eastā for a reason.
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Iād argue that making sweeping and reductionist generalizations about gender roles is very far from being pragmatic.
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I was talking about Caesar too. To quote HBomberGuy āHeās a fucking LARPerā.
At least personally, I genuinely cannot take Caesar seriously. Heās pathetic, he makes me think of the average conservative fascist Rome-aboo. Here is someone who genuinely believes that scouring the wasteland with a bunch of indoctrinated maniac raiders hyped up on blood and r*pe will bring āorderā.
Heās a pale copy of a shadow of a myth of what the roman empire was. He lives only in reference to a fallen empire, and heās heading towards the same fate except with enough velocity to bring what tenuous hope there is left in the wasteland crashing down with him.
Iām ranting by now, but I really object to the idea that whatever the fuck Caesar is doing is āpragmaticā, itās abject horror to me.
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It says Titus is still there even though he left after the talk we had
Itās been a while since I played FNV but one impression I had of Caesar is how utterly hollow his propaganda rings when you realize that thereās a functioning state, if heavily flawed, thatās already emerged from the wasteland and maintaining a decent state of things without needing to turn into a dysfunctional autocratic slave state: The NCR. Iām not sure I would call the man pragmatic, more just not a total idiot, as much of his state is unnecessarily cruel so as to feed his cultic self-image, and thatās why it doesnāt survive his death.
Oh, pretty sure I forgot to complete a conditional there, Iāll go and fix that.
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Heās at least more of an idiot than a molerat, Ave Snuffles.
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Ah whoops, I misunderstood the post, damn my reading comprehension! Sorry about that.
I agree that Ceasarās project, much like his ideas, have no future. One could very well say he is the incarnation of the āThinking about Romeā meme. All form and no substance, for all intents and purposes. And it is also true that what he teaches and propagates through his Legion is very much a thing no society should aspire to.
What I will argue, still, is for his pragmatism. Bogus ideas are not mutually exclusive with pragmatism IMO ā the end one seeks may very well be a fairytale(or nightmare in this case), but the means you get there arenāt necessarily. When I speak of pragmatism I mean actions that follow practical ends, rather than theoretical ones. Caesarās actions, even if they pursue a most nefarious end, donāt fall into the delusional.
He knows how to make the Legion a functional war-machine. Yes, the Legion is a cartoonishly evil organisation, where women are for all intents and purposes slaves. But for Ceasar what matters most is to have warriors to throw into the meatgrinder ā better have women make, and take care of, the children, andā¦uh, menās needs(ugh) while the men go die in battle. His vision of society is very much a stratified one, inspired by his (ahistorical) wet dreams about Rome. There is logic to his delusion, basically.
Now, please donāt take this argument for Caesarās pragmatism to mean I agree with his ideas (obviously not). But I canāt say in good faith that he is just a delulu. Heās a narcissist, heās wrong, heās very bad, but heās not dumb. Anyhow, thatās quite enough Caesar for a post.
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The NCR has its issues too but it has the merit of being at least sane, which isnāt the case at all for the Legion. Which, well, feels like the bare minimum to qualify.
I think you worded it more elegantly than I did concerning the propaganda, but thatās more or less what I wanted to say. The Legion is all propaganda, all talk, it rings hollow, nothing about it will stand on its own, unmoored from the particular conditions that allow it to exist. Itās the kind of entity that would burn itself out immediately, even if it won.
I think Caesarās two qualities are his charisma and that heās capable of basic logic, which isnāt necessarily a given when you look at the average legionary, so he understood that āmore soldiers = goodā and that became his whole strategy.
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I may not have the same definition of pragmatism in my head. I just think that something inherently pointless and doomed to fail canāt be pragmatic. Iām not going to pretend Caesar is an absolute buffoon, but heās clearly not as smart as he thinks he is, and I really struggle to think of his actions as a pragmatic response to the wastelandās problems.
But anyway sorry if I came off too intense, I didnāt get the impression you were defending Caesar or anything of course, but I think it showed that every fiber of my being rebels against the ideals of the Legion and is filled with hatred for Caesar and his ilk. I may be a bit too passionate about this kind of subject lmao. It makes me violently ill.
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@Azan ā Do you want to keep the Fallout Las Vegas posts here, or should I move them to the video game thread?
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