New net neutrality problems

You can comment directly to the FCC concerning this issue. The process is predictably inconvenient, but a handy link exists. Go to www.gofccyourself.com and simply click the “Express” link. From there you can make your comment supporting continued net neutrality. Only takes one or two minutes. Please be polite and concise.

Thanks John Oliver! :+1:

Also lots of good info in this reddit thread. Contact your Reps and Senators with your concerns if you live in the US! Again, be polite.

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The 2% was literally the higher class within society, which means the 2% trumps the 98% of the people. Democracy at its finest.

RIP Net Neutrality. We all know the American govermenent will do as they wish.

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Ahh…the planned introduction of data scarcity a hot button issue both on the European Commission’s digitial horizons agenda and the internal memo’s of our own coservative and liberal parties.
I mean for now the issue is temporarily settled over here. But if the US does it successfully for a couple of years expect our August Commision to revisit the issue.

You know I think I read somewhere in our old “noble republic” the class of people entitled to vote determined by wealth and census was approximately 3% of the population, all being affluent to filthy-rich men. So by that metric it would be 2/3rds in favour.

I found this on tumblr. You can text resist to the number provided in the link. You can use the message that the OP has provided to your congressmen. It might be better to plan what you want to say before you text it if you want to be more personable though.

http://holydingbatman.tumblr.com/post/167732169146/stop-what-youre-doing-and-save-net-neutrality

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Alright, 2 out of the 5 people said they will be voting No. Which mean if we can somehow convince (unlikely imo) one more person out of 2 to vote no, then the plan won’t pass. I still think Net Neutrality is as good as dead, but this is at least a ray of hope for the optimists here.

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Okay, well hi everyone; Mr. Unknowledgeable-about-the-subject here.

Sorry to ask but could someone explain the american net neutrality since I know little to nothing about it (in America):confused:

Also some questions;

  • From what I know or have been told net neutrality doesn’t regulate the “over-the-top providers” (e.g. Google); only the network providers are regulated (and here in the uk the rules are strict) and also the former is exempt from additional charges which are then piled onto the latter. My question is "is it fair for small internet providers to pay high additional cost while Google, Facebook etc do not? (Please correct me if I’m wrong on anything).
    -and; Here in the UK there have been problems with content (ad) filtering and blocking which goes against net neutrality guidelines. From what I’ve been told this could mean that access to adult websites, or even filtering adult ads on child websites is not an option. Is this true for America?

Seriously any answers would be helpful :sweat:

Ah okay, to answer in a easy to understand way:

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I live in the UK too, although (as of right now) this is mainly a US issue.
From what I know, it means ISP’s could theoretically (as if they haven’t already) block or throttle connection to content they do not want us to see (or want us to pay extra to use)

Many argue against Net Neutrality with these main two points: 1, that less government regulations would encourage competition and make thing better, in the long run, and that 2, since the cables (e.g. fibre optic) is owned by the ISP’s they should be able to charge, throttle or completely stop you from accessing something.

These arguments, to an extent, make some sense, however the issue with the first argument is that in many places one ISP has a monopoly, and although in theory it would work, as they don’t all start off equally it could mean people either have to put up with what is offered or suffer. Which isn’t great.
The other problem is that although the second point makes sense, too, it would also allow ISP’s to effectively blackmail companies into giving them money or they’ll be throttled, and also get more money from customers with the same method.

It also results in a big feedback loop, where if the ISP’s don’t like your content or don’t think you’re worth giving access to, they can throttle connection to your site/ channel, meaning less ad revenue/ exposure, meaning less people know and thus want to see you content, and so won’t pay, etc.

It also means even if you have average or bad content, if you have enough money (to pay all the ISP’s) they could not throttle your stuff (which’ll now seem faster… even though it isn’t) and then you’ll make more money and the loop goes on.
This kinda also means that someone / a group of someones could effectively commandeer the internet, with enough money.

Or maybe ISP’s branch out into other things, like selling overpriced items online! It’s not like you could use any price comparison site that doesn’t put them on top.

Or they could just keep trying to convince you all the other ISP’s are evil and have tons of hidden fees you won’t be able to afford. Thankfully, you can fact check this on the ISP’s free [ISP]edia.
Any fake news that doesn’t support the ISP will be subject to extreme throttling. Not blocking though, because unlike those other ISP’s we don’t block, but only reduce access speeds for maximum efficiency, and pass the profits onto you, the customer!

Anyway… this was kinda rant-y, but I hope it helped a bit.

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Surf the web like it’s 1996 again and you’ve just gotten your first 33k6 modem, yay! The bad old days live again!.

No it is not, at least not in this country they are owned by public-private partnerships and excising the private from most of them is long overdue so they rank near the top of my list of things we should nationalize again. Since those fiber-optic networks were built with huge government subsidies amounting to as much as 98% of the total costs in some areas. So it is high time to buy/kick out the private parties who only paid between 2 and 38% of the costs of construction anyway since the physical infrastructure is a national utility in the same way as the roads.

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Oh yeah, you’re right, I rember reading about that a while ago! And…

…Or 1984.

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Aw jeez thanks, sorry for the late reply
:sweat: this definitely looks like a problem to the US from what you’ve said, although I’m concerned that it could possibly affect the UK (and what it means for us) but from what I know I was under the impression that within the UK we had just recently implemented N.N. regulations as the EU has enforced them onto us (I believed that the EU themselves did not wish for N.N. but were forced after the US implemented their regulations - again, I’m unknowledgeable in this subject so any corrections would be helpful).

I don’t recall any difficulty accessing the internet from here before the N.N. regulations and I’m aware that several of the four prominent UK providers were already acting on what could be considered Net Neutrality without the regulations as for competition reasons - the market was balanced from free trade but N.N. regulations only restrict provider action - if N.N. regulations were changed over here would the market return to this state do you think?

And sorry to nag but I’m not sure that you answered the extra questions that I asked… :sweat_smile:
I’d just like to know all I can.

Thanks for any replies (again)

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Right now, we have ‘European Union’s Regulation on Open Internet Access,’ and prior we also had a voluntary system, so that’s likely why you

Likely, a change in the US won’t have major effects here, although we have to remember many companies we access here are based there, and so they will be affected, and so us.

Although we’re doing better NN wise, we still have small gaps or loopholes that need to be addressed, like how Virgin Mobile doesn’t charge its customers for data used on WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger, and companies who offer both internet access and online content (like films) prioritise their own content, often.

So we don’t have an immediate threat of throttling/ blocking, but the US decision will be important to us too and the system here is still not perfect, but pretty good, in my opinion.

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This site tells the story of the EU battle for net neutrality. Although you’re right about the Commission and the majority EPP party in the Parliament being very reluctant adopters of it to say the least.
If the US succeeds in repealing it that would give the Commission the chance to re-open the European process all over again after 2020.
The main hope spot is that the EU institutions and the process itself were fairer then Ajit Pai’s FCC in the US seems to be right now. So, particularly if the US becomes a poster child of the negative impacts of abolishing net neutrality, it is possible and even likely that future attempts from the Commission can be repelled as well. Particularly if we can finally make the EPP lose their preeminent position in the parliament and keep the anti-EU parties at bay.
In short we’re not directly threatened by the US’ actions on Net Neutrality at this time, but it is, as always, important to remain vigilant.

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What, again? Is this going to become trend now? The voting last year was a ressounding “no”, worldwide. It wasn’t just the little people, there were big companies against it as well. So now why are we discussing and arguing about net neutrality again? Is this how democracy works? Throw referends every year until the results turn up favorably to their desires?

As mushrooms come up with rain so do all sorts of websites, companies and institutions asking for donations to “help support the cause” that is the fighting for net neutrality. Don’t get me wrong, I’d prefer if things remained as they are right now but how can I trust the money will actually go where it’s intended and it ain’t just a scam to fatten someone elses’ pockets?

I have to admit, it would have been a mighty scam too - release a reference threatening the internet, people get all rilled up about it, the votes come in saying “no” and someone, somewhere is laughing at all the fools that fell for it, counting the money that just came in at their expense.

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Less a trend, more of a regular ambush by Ajit Pai. You see, he probably thoyght it failed last year because of the timing. So this year he came up with a brilliant solution. He announced it close to Thanksgiving so that:

  1. Some people might be to busy to see the news.
  2. A lot of government officials is on leave so no one to get the phone calls and mails.

Absolute genius on his part. A perfect ambush, but unfortunately for him, the internet still fight back. He didn’t account for the fact that most people on the internet has no need for thanksgiving and they’d rather be sending emails than talking with family members.

As for the scam, that seems unlikely, I haven’t seen a single website asking for donation to fight the cause. Most just promote email and phone call bombing government officials. So if it’s a scam, they need to hire a new marketing department.

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Followed by this. So far this is only one I stumbled upon that is openly and directly asking for donations to fight for net neutrality. I mean it’s possible they’re legit and I’m just being an annoying cynic here. There have been cases of mafias and scam artists masquerading or even infiltrated in charitable organizations to rob them off. We suffered a national calamity this year due to forest fires, where houses, lives, goods and businesses were lost and a big portion of what was donated never made it to the people who needed it, so maybe that explains my distrust.

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Hell no! Donating? What kind of stupid thing is that?! Bullshit… what are they gonna use the money for??? Pay the politicians? Or the ticket to miami??

I suppose you’re familiar with the phrase “neverendum”, right? Trump and Pai could very well attempt it every year they are in power and hope that enough voters and opposition voices get fatigued and lethargic enough to give them a shot at passing this.

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That’s the first time I see something like that. Is that a popular website? I never heard of it before. Most of the sites I frequent (mostly Reddit really. Occasionally 4chan, just to see what they’re up to these days) don’t ask for donation at all

Edit: please go on reddit and check r/all right now. It’s actually amazing and hilarious.

Another big youtuber, Doug walker aka nostalgia Critic, is helping the cause, the time is coming to fight for the internet

And so it begins

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