Nelroche (WIP) (Updated 1/8/21)

I mean, the whole Isekai genre is built upon that. Nothing wrong with it.

So yeah, hard not to see why people may confuse stuffs like that. Why a Lovestuck VN comes in the discussion though, I have no idea.

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Oh god isekai… Do you know how many mahnwa out there that have a plot about isekai?? :skull::skull:
But again, if it was the same begining plot, i’m sure the story will goes different way. Between that fictif and this story, it still take different path, and I’m sure it was nothing alike.

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I don’t know and I don’t want to know :sweat_smile:

Yeah, it’s probably going to be like KonoShuba and Re:Zero; similar beginnings but vastly different tones and stories.

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The customizability for our character’s appearance is insane! I like that we could really get into the details of it.

Some pages of text were much longer than others – the prologue pages were spaced quite well, but it was kinda jarring to be met with blocks of text 2, 3 times as long in the Braelin scenes.

A couple examples:
  • After you decide whether you want to stay and talk or not (I chose to stay and talk, albeit a little warily)
  • The page right after you ask all the questions and head into town

Others were borderline long, but these two were the gawkiest.

I would break up those into smaller chunks (halve them maybe?).

I do agree with Happenstance. At certain points I felt railroaded into decisions (e.g. my character probably would not have decided to walk alone to town. she would also not have accepted her “fate” of sorts as a prisoner/fake dignitary without being more insistent about returning home.).

The potential in this story (plus the replayability from all the branching!) is too great to allow these things be an impediment! :heart: I look forward to seeing how you guys take the forum’s suggestions into account.

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Omg! I need more of Ozias now :heart:

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@Eyesofshadow That should be fixed now!

@happenstance2me @violet I’ll add in extra options/fixes for the issues you mentioned in the next update!

I’m glad everyone is enjoying the game so far. ^^

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Oh gosh, I feel like I’m being dragged out of my gremlin cave into the sunlight seeing that I was pinged twice on this post lmao. But y’all want proper criticism from me, eh? I was thinking of just leaving the comment at that since this story wasn’t my cup of tea but I might as well now.

Firstly, just to get a disclaimer out of the way: this is all my personal opinion, so maybe take it with a grain of salt. Not saying/implying anything to against the writer and I’m not trying to start a fight or anything; just a discussion. Yada yada yada, now to what I want to say.

If I were to point out specific examples or screenshots, I would awkwardly gesture to the entire demo and end up making this post the world’s longest comment. Playing this MC made me feel like I was a lizardman trying to integrate into human society using superficial knowledge I learned from watching human’s interactions. At some points, it feels like we’re given a chance to input a personality for the MC while more often than not, we’re railroaded into a certain persona. If I have to think of the smallest instance of back and forth like that was when the MC was giving Ara’s pastry. We’re given options on how we passed it which can say a lot about a character. For me, I was trying to play a more “playful” MC, so I choose the toss option. Then it immediately Ara overreacted about it and MC submits with a snap. Personally, I think there should have been an option for the MC to either double down on the action, apologize or “apologize” to pacify Ara. Unless this action was implying that the MC was hurling the pastry from across the room, not many people would complain about a friend doing an underhand toss.

Now that’s just a small example. I would give more such as almost all the interactions in town but I’m on a bit of a tight schedule since I got online classes. Anywho, over and underreactions. The main point. of my initial comment. I believe the main reason why it feels like this because the MC is flip-flopping between canvass and set personality and that the MC’s priorities are not set correctly in each circumstance. @happenstance2me did a good job in covering the flip-flopping so I won’t go over any more than I did. But the priorities are an issue. Immediately, right from the get-go where the MC interacts with Alys and company, it was w.e.i.r.d. Actually, the entire transportation thing was weird.

Let me establish that I am attempting to play as a nonchalant and calm MC, so this is my point of view for it. The confusion and wondering if it was a dream? Yeah… that’s considered an overreaction for me. That seems like a reaction that should be playing for MC’s that are panicked and freaking out imo. A more calm MC would be like “It doesn’t matter if it’s a dream. This is reality and now I gotta adjust to it.” Which leads to the awkward interaction with Alys and that group. Instead of asking how to get out of the forest, I think the MC should be asking more information such as what is this world, where are we, knowledge about the nearby town, how to go back home, etc. I do think getting out of the forest is a good question but should be saved last or at least establish an MC who wouldn’t want to expose their true origin.With the group claiming that MC could help with freeing their leader, the MC would have latched on to that more and not accept answers “Only you can save them”. Actually- that was a big issue. The MC happily accepts half-assed answers from NPCs going “You’ll find out more later in the next episode”. Fuck that, what kind of doormat human does that? MC is like a toddler in these moments imo. Drove me i.n.s.a.n.e.

Then the final neat little bow of that bizarre interaction was the group letting the MC go on their merry way to town and vaguely going “Um… we’ll find you again, somehow? We’ll figure it out.” World’s most incompetent cult tbh. Hard to believe that they’re causing issues if they’re this useless.

This type of interaction is common everywhere in this demo with the MC going "HEY!? >:( " to “Oh, that makes sense :)” when it doesn’t make sense since the NPCs are treating the MC like they’re a smooth brain.

A glaring issue is that the demo doesn’t feel properly paced. At all. The beginning was fine with a snapshot of the MC’s life then “ruh-oh” being sent to another world. It was at this point everything felt like a “And then THIS HAPPEN and then THAT HAPPEN and then SOMETHING ELSE HAPPEN.” Just one after the other where the MC is pretty much dragged along like a rag doll. Kinda reminds me of Shadow Society since the MC there was dragged to many locations all willy nilly and never was really explained anything until the very end. I can kinda excuse that work with the pretense that the group was being chased. But in this demo, MC isn’t being chased and doesn’t need to be rushed to meet as many NPCs as possible.

That strange place with the doors? Could have been expanded on and allowed the MC to take a breath and really analyzed the place. Meeting Alys’s group? The demo should have focused on them IMO. I’m assuming they’re the cult members right? So they should be doing what cults do best: integrating a new person to join them. Which should not be hard at all. MC is a person all alone in a strange world. Emotionally, that is scary and an MC could latch on to them. Ethically, if they offer their help, an MC could latch on to them. Logically, MC doesn’t have any place to go and doesn’t have any money, so an MC can latch on to them for the time being. It just makes sense for the MC to interact with their group even more without needed to bring up helping their leader. Tbh, they should have waited until after they helped MC out and went “hey buddy. I need a favor.” Then from there, you can have the MC go out to explore the town without the group’s knowledge, thinking everything is hunky-dory then uh oh! Goes to jail. Then all the events go on and MC finds out about their true nature and given the ultimatum to side with the cult or the kingdom. Boom. End of demo with a cliffhanger.

I do think the writer could benefit greatly in having an editor, a second writer, and more beta readers (who aren’t friends). The demo feels largely unpolished and rough. Which isn’t bad!!! It’s expected from a demo and it’s shouldn’t be expected to be perfect from the start. But I feel like the author can benefit greatly in having help.

Minor things I didn’t get to add but I wanted to: The MC never bothering to ask Ciaran where he was taking the MC? I got a migraine from how stupid the MC was for never asking where he was taking her. And when Ciaran rubbed it in, I actually raged quit from the story since it was so stupid. Also, when there was a WWYFF where Ira, Ciaran, and that other person went “Oh, pick who you want to watch over you.” Ffff, what? It’s like an otome game- who does that with an ex-prisioner? Sure MC points it out but shouldn’t have been brought up to begin with.

And… that’s all. I’m sure there’s way more but I really gotta go do my online work and I’m most likely not going to respond to any comments on this unless it’s really necessary for my input. :wave:

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i say copying not only because the plot has heavy similarities but because a scene s(specifically the one with the person leading you out of the cell and you think they are letting you go but they bring you to their boss) is lifted straight from love and legend

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We actually have a friend who has played and sees nothing of the similarities you do beyond what’s on the surface? So… She said that you’re basically a witch you look like but lost your memories in the plot for that game, but that’s not what’s happening in Nelroche, but what is actually happening won’t be known till later. You can ask @emiiyaa , who is the friend who’s played that game.

If you want to insist, go ahead, but go somewhere else to do it, please. Sitting in a thread insisting an author is a thief mainly because of some similarities at the start is incredibly rude. By your own standards, that’d make anyone with a detective-esque story with a team who are possible ROs in a supernatural world on CoG a thief from SeraphiniteGames… which is simply not true.

Lovestruck did not invent “Modern MC in an old world who is a lookalike and is thusly imprisoned for a brief time”, they took it from others who did because it is an incredibly common trope in otomes, some YA fiction, and even anime. :confused:

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I love all the stories you’ve written so far and isekai if done right(which I have no doubt you would do it right) can be amazing so I’m excited to see where the story goes :grin:

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How do you guys keep making all this awesome stuff!?

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Hiya! You’ve already gotten some thoughts on story/pacing/interactions, so I have a few stylistic notes; naturally, as with any other feedback, you’re welcome to ignore it! It’s just some personal grammatical, structural-type feedback, but I know that people’s styles don’t always mesh.

I’ve placed it below the cut because it’s a little long, and I’ve included some example quotes:

Woo!

When reading in first person, I (personally) find it helpful to have an abundance of punctuation, be it em or en dashes, ellipses, parenthesis, whatever else; it makes the words feel a little more natural, like they’re actually coming from inside my head and I’m actively thinking them over.
Semi-colons are particularly great for that, especially when you find multiple relatively simple sentences hanging out next to each other. I think at some points, where the content of the writing implies a calm/relaxed tone, the shortness/abruptness of the sentences works against you to achieve the opposite. Adding some punctuation of the semi-colon or em-dash variety might help out!

On a similar note, there are places where removing filler words would make the flow much more organic, as well. Don’t get me wrong, I’m the queen of filler words! But they often serve to weigh down content.
An example: “To think that my dearest friend would accuse me of such blasphemy!”
If you remove “that,” you get a much quippier/true-to-life sort of feeling from the same sentence: “To think my dearest friend would accuse me of such blasphemy!” or “To think, my dearest friend would accuse me of such blasphemy!”

Another thing I noticed is some duplicate words a little too close together; take, for example, the second sentence on page one: “It’s tiring to go there again and again when there’s nothing to look forward to there.”
The last “there” feel a little awkward. Is it grammatically correct to end a sentence with a hanging preposition? No, it’s not–but it is reflective of how people tend to think and speak, and gives a more organic read.
Another example: "I hide my smile behind my hand, trying to minimize the damage.
Trying to blow a lock of hair out of her face and failing, she resorts to pushing it out of her face."
The word “trying” occurs twice in a pretty short time frame.
Another example: “As much as I’d love to stay, I’d rather not get caught in the rush.” I give a half shrug, knowing I should leave before I get caught in it."
The phrase “caught in” occurs twice in short repetition.

There are similar little duplicate things throughout; if that’s the style you prefer, no harm no foul!
I’m guilty of writing duplicate phrasing, myself.

But if you find yourself wanting to change/elevate the tone a bit, little edits like that can make a big difference.

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What’s the relation of Ara to the PC?

Ara is MC’s roommate and close friend! She’s been around since the two of them were children.

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Ah… So someone who’d miss them if they just spontaneously went to another dimension

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“I…” he trails off, unable to meet my eyes. His lips part in surprise and he seems unable to form words for a long moment. " I beg your pardon? "

You’re forgiven for being so fine :wink: :kissing_heart:

WoW…

Small error after you go through the stained door where there is a slash instead of a full stop, can’t get the picture because it says I can’t embed media into the post

Liking the story so far though, but I would actually prefer to stay in the cell than live next to Ione