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And that’s … bad? :smiling_imp:

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shrugs
Mmm…Can’t answer. :sweat_smile: That’s something that varies from player to player. Not everyone is into cheating, stealing lovers, open relationships, polyamory, guilt-contests or playing matchmaker. So in any case there should be a path free of all that IMHO.
But of course in the end it’s Jean’s call and whatever she feels goes well into her story and her characters.
Anywayssss, my personal plans won’t budge. :relieved: My Guen is a pure and faithful angel who will join the Dark Side with Mordred and (try to) nuke everything. The End.

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Any way I can help, just let me know!

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He’s probably going to have a mental breakdown for example.

Gwen: Arthur?
A: Yes dear?
G: There something I have to tell you.
A: Oh? What is is it?
G: Morgana and I are lovers. I prefer the company of women.
A: YOUR WHAT? How?
G: It just happened. We-
A: No, how do you do it?
G: Excuse me?
A:HOW DO THEY DO IT?
(Arthur runs out of the chamber screaming at everyone) HOW DO THEY DO IT? HOW DO THEY DO IT? HOW DO THEY DO…
(Morgana enters the chamber)
M: How’d it go?
G: I think I broke him.
Lance: Anybody know why Arthur is running round the castle screaming?
G: I told him I’m sleeping with Morgana.
L: Ah…Wait what?

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OK. I totally headcanon-ed that. It’s too legit. :joy:
But still no situation can surpass the potential frikery of romancing Morgana and Arthur AND telling them you are dating Mordred now. Lol

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This week, at War council
Sir Kay: Why is Arthur balled up under the table rocking back and forth mumbling “How?”
Guen: Errr ummm about that…
Morgana: The King is under a spell!
Guen: Errrr…right! A spell has him vexed so!
Morgana: The Queen and I shall get to the bottom of this, but we will need to do so in secret, no one must disturb the ritual!
(Morgana grabs Guen’s hand and runs from the room)
Sir Kay: Its fortunate for Arthur that he has such a loving wife and sister…

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Well, if Arthur and Guen never consummated their relationship then the argument for an annulment could be made, but that’s only if we assume England is Christian by this point in time, and the Church had different rules regarding marriage in the Early Middle Ages than it did later on. What the Celtic and Germanic rules regarding marriage were, I can’t rightly say. That said, who’s to say Guen has to be the (only) one guilty of adultery in this fractured fairy tale…

I don’t think the version of England in Guenevere is Christian since everyone still seems to worship the Goddess. From the (arguably little) I know about Arthurian legend, the arrival of Christianity versus the Old Religion played a pretty big role in things, and we haven’t seen any of that yet.

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@matt_smith & @Lizzy I am laughing so hard at your comments. :joy: Headcanons accepted, if it doesn’t happen that way I’m going to at least imagine that Guen had a dream that it did. I have an all magic Guen, so the ritual with Morgana would actually be plausible for somebody who didn’t know what was going on, lol.

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[quote=“ThoseCatsAintLoyal, post:7832, topic:1996, full:true”]
Isn’t cheating from the King and Queen considered a treason-type crime tho? And a very important plot point in future books.[/quote]

Kings and Queens committing treason? Hah! The monarchy can’t commit treason! That’s preposterous! … said King Charles I shortly before he was charged with treason and executed.

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Although the way Arthur behaves, he would probably would commute the sentence. I mean if he can forgive someone who killed him as a child…

That said, I know my main Guen MC, when she finds out what her Morgana did with Arthur…Morgana really better be persuasive :wink:

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[quote=“Lys, post:7842, topic:1996, full:true”]
Although the way Arthur behaves, he would probably would commute the sentence. I mean if he can forgive someone who killed him as a child…[/quote]

Arthur was killed as a child?! [gasp] Then… Guen has married a revenant?!

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groans I forgot to add ‘tried’.

And in a way, Arthur might be a revenant. I mean, even after he died, he was supposed to come back in England’s greatest need :wink:

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@jeantown Brain almost dead from having straight classes from 10-6 without even a lunch break, but I had to mention that we read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight for my British Literature course, and Arthur there reminds me a lot of the Gueneverse Arthur. :slight_smile:

  • optimistic and welcoming to any thug who walks in the castle (where, like in our Camelot, security seems to be a little lax-the Green Knight literally walked in the door without a guard to stop him)

  • accepting of everyone…once he gets over his comical shock :laughing:

  • has a case of Honor Before Reason (almost accepts the Green Knight’s challenge just to prove he’s not a coward like the Green Knight accused him of being…before Gawain reminds him that he’s the KING and him dying would be Really Bad. :laughing:)

Also, was Meligaunt, also a giant with bad manners, partially based on the Green Knight?

Though I can’t believe Guinevere didn’t have a single line! :unamused: I feel so cheated!

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@Asura Arthur and Radagund are indeed similar, and it’s a bit of a tragedy that they don’t get to meet each other. They would certainly get along well, though I’m not sure they’d be romantically inclined toward each other? They’re almost too similar for that.

Oh good heavens no… :slight_smile: Arthur isn’t so dense that he doesn’t have a basic respect for privacy. :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks! It’s extra work to track those things, but it’s not that much extra work. I think part of the reason those options don’t often show up is that writers think it will be too hard to manage them. It’s really not. (Tracking whether or not Guen has lied about X, Y, and Z is much harder.)

Divorce isn’t a thing in the Guenverse, at least not among nobles. They sometimes separate if they really can’t stand each other, but legally they stay married until they die. (Which doesn’t preclude other relationships; said relationships just can’t be legal marriages.)

It’s not. Christianity doesn’t exist in the Guenverse. I despise the whole pagan/Christian tension thing, which I think is really overblown in contemporary Arthurian stuff. (You don’t get that kind of tension, at least not in the same way, in actual medieval Arthurian stories, which are often much more nuanced in how they handle religious ideas.)

Yes. :slight_smile:

True. Lancelot is mature enough to be able to move on and even grow as a person.

Mm, wait and see. Guen may get the option to do some matchmaking. :smile:

…but she certainly won’t have to. :slight_smile:

@buggygirl11 I know that feeling… Hope you got some recovery time…

Haha, yaaay! :grins: I love SGGK. I take its moral to be “The perfect is the enemy of the good,” which has been an important concept to me for a long time.

Maybe subconsciously? But we’re also going to see Bertilak as a background character, starting in part 3. He will play an important role in my Gawain’s life, though it will be different from what happens in SGGK.

Yeah, she doesn’t do much in that one. Maybe it’s for the best; if she did get to do anything, she probably would have been trying to seduce Gawain or something… she really doesn’t get treated well by most medieval authors.

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Arthur and Raddy never meet? :cry::sob: Oh well, that’s what fanfiction is for.

I’m not sure “nuanced” would be the term I’d use, though. In the Arthurian stories I’ve read that were written in medieval times, all the characters were devoutly Christian. In the original Celtic legends the medieval stories were adapted from, probably not, but medieval authors were big into Christianizing myths and tales they adapted from other cultures.

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Please do! :grin:

And there’s the nuance. With a few exceptions, we don’t see Christianity and pre-Christian paganism locked into a war against each other the way they are in contemporary Arthurian stuff. Instead, they’re syncretized, and we’re shown a religion that is nominally Christian but incorporates many of the best elements of paganism. All I’m doing in Guenevere is the same thing in reverse – a religion that is nominally pagan, but incorporates some of the best elements of Christianity.

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Would Arthur cheating on Guen be treason? The way you answered ThoseCatsAintLoyal’s question makes it sound like it would be but isn’t Arthur the king? Or are there limits to what even he can get away with?

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Yep, treason even for Arthur. (This isn’t the Real Middle Ages.) There are a lot of limits to what he can get away with.

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I just played the game for the first time last week and read through most of the thread… I love it :heart_eyes:

My first playthrough was Witch Queen Guen, and I’m awash in headcanons for her. I’ll try not to go on too much, but I see her as being angry over the arranged marriage initially, then warming up to Arthur by the end of Book 1 and in love with him in Book 2. She was surprised when he explained his vision, but decided to support it. She doesn’t necessarily think it’s achievable, but she figures if she can leave the world a little better than she found it then that’s enough.

She and Morgana are best friends and Guen so far has been taking her side in private arguments with Arthur (:sheep:) She’s been sympathetic to Lancelot, and she’s hopeful that she can break the spell and let him get back to normal.

Favorite scenes:
Anytime Guen can make Arthur blush.
The scene with Morgana in Book 2 when they are checking for spells in Guen’s room. Honestly I just love Morgana all the time, I’m already putting together a new Guen to romance her.
When Lance is fighting Meligaunt and Guen can buff/debuff. It appealed to the former WoW priest in me :laughing: WQ Guen isn’t going to romance him but would like to keep him around as a tank.

I love that I can play Guen with such a variety of personalities and motivations. I enjoy @jeantown’s take on each of the characters, which is saying a lot because I never cared for the Arthurian legends I had to read in school. Guinevere always seemed like a set dressing or a McGuffin in someone else’s story, so I’m digging the chance to get to play through her perspective.

[details=Witch Queen Guen’s stats]Book 1 Part 1:
TRUST:
Arthur: 13
Lancelot: 11
Morgana: 6
SKILLS:
Sword: 0
Leadership: 0
Light Magic: 21
Dark Magic: 10
REPUTATION:
Kind: 9
Brave: 2
Stubborn: 0
Convivial: 2
Intelligent: 4
Responsible: 4

Book 1 part 2:
TRUST:
Arthur: 23
Lancelot: 17
Morgana: 11
SKILLS:
Sword: 0
Leadership: 4
Light Magic: 22
Dark Magic: 11
REPUTATION:
Kind: 11
Brave: 5
Stubborn: 0
Convivial: 3
Intelligent: 4
Responsible: 4

Book 2 part 1:
TRUST:
Arthur: 38
Lancelot: 17
Morgana: 22
SKILLS:
Sword: 0
Leadership: 5
Light Magic: 30
Dark Magic: 25
REPUTATION:
Kind: 23
Brave: 11
Stubborn: 0
Convivial: 3
Intelligent: 17
Responsible: 11

In the rest of book 2 between escaping from the ship and choosing a path, I don’t think much changed for me besides a few more trust points for Lance.
[/details]

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It seems you and I have very similar Guens, the biggest difference so far is that mine is romancing Morgana. I don’t remember the in-betweens without replaying, but here are my stats at the end so far.
TRUST:
Arthur: 10
Lancelot: 16
Morgana: 30
SKILLS:
Sword: 0
Leadership: 3
Light Magic: 27
Dark Magic: 25
REPUTATION:
Kind: 23
Brave: 3
Stubborn: 3
Convivial: 2
Intelligent: 16
Responsible: 9
:astonished: Some of them match and others come very close.

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