Exactly My Mara is totally inside the fate. Concept. And Even sees the trials as logic. I am the fate paladin and I have to destroy anyone who oppose fate. Sage with her attack prove herself against destiny order an order my essence created at beginning of universe. Everyone that opposed Mara place in Prophecy is unholy and deserve a poetic justice death because is what the order of universe claims. She has to be in Chronus said and what fate has declared it will be because no one can deny fate. Anything and anyone opposed me has to be destroyed in universe name. Without doubts or mercy. Mara is like a inquisitor of fate you could see.
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Again our fate can be interpreted differently. We can always lose with Kronos, or it can be Aeson who is at Kronos’s side. I mean if all our actions are fated then it could be part of our fate to die, sounds like a flimsy justification. If everything is fate than anyone opposing us is also fate and they should do everything in their power to do as they do because it’s fate and they are justified by the universe.
Plus it sounds like she just taught us at an accelerated rate considering we get quizzed on the periodic table at 6, and she probably tried to give us a relatively normal morality to fit in for a while.
There is no canon how Aunt taught us so each us could have a proper idea. I went a private nun run school and me and my family are atheists. Reasons to going a school normally has nothing to do with morality. Same we are hiddin our origin and magic could hide our believings. Fate in prophecy’s are set in a stone there is no free will. They opposed us because is their destiny path in the tapestry and Mara slained them following her own tapestry place. Whatever it be will be Whatever it was was. There is no future past or present there are just parts of the tapestry. So there is no guilty for Mara nor remorse She acts like she should because all is already set by fate. She could not change it she is like everyone a slave of destiny.
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If your mc was the author there’d be one ending… sounds overly cynical especially with such a vague prophecy. Besides wouldn’t prophecy be descended from the essence anyway? It sounds like you should be one free from fate. And she opposes the gods so she would oppose fate too.
There are multiple factors in morality and Athena was your family so she’d be a big influence, I doubt you’d have a greek morality if you weren’t exposed to their values.
You are considering a modern concept of Fate and free will. Nor old greek one in old greek All time is in a big tapestry even gods live is there all has been all will be is there since the creation wave. We are essence yes but just a part in a corporeal form and as a body part of tapestry. Prophecies were A vision of the tapestry like a photo and an accurate reflection of what is going to happen without any doubt. But like the prophecy’s are made by mortals who can’t. See all the tapestry is twisted and easy to miss they meaning but like is unavoidable you can’t deny it.
Alsoi personally think fate is bullshit but Mara is believer
Fate has a corporeal too as the three weavers, it seems to be fairly simple to be free from it.
As I say I believe is bullshit as all mythology . However even gods believe clearly on it. So why Mara wont believe it? Weavers are not corporeal there are a force from the tapestry itself and with that beyond time and that. I even have the idea that provability of tapestry being the essence and we where physical embodiment of destiny and will. If we were that we are beyond it too so free. However mara in character couldn’t. Know about that
Whispers. They will be fire forged friends.
“We will be okay with each other because near certain death demands it!” ← hoping how it goes before slow crawl friendship
@Okami-Nora, I haven’t played a Calypso route yet but this is really nice to know O: I wonder if other potential RO’s have ambiguous actions too since this is what shipping fodder is made out of 
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I didn’t even notice the hand thingy, what a shitty fangirl I am.
Trust and trustworthyness have nothing to do with the trials. Fate is already determinate if you are trustworthy - the trials are there to determine whether or not you will survive; how you do this, using whatever internal moral code you have is non-consequential
As stated above the gods believe they can not escape fate - the trials are going to be decided one way or another without their input.
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good job, i am dowloading…, thank bro
Nothing? Are you absolutely sure about that?
These are not like the regular trials; there is a lot more riding on them and there are different reasons for having you enter than for the usual Olympian Hero. Fate does not determine jack shit about your trustworthiness apart from the belief that you have none to begin with since quite a few Gods are under the impression that you will join Cronus.
The Gods believe you can’t escape fate, this is true, so if Aeson dies with you if you die, why would they place so much stock on whether you survive? If you die, the entire prophecy goes to hell. And losing is a different thing altogether than surviving.
And I’m keeping in mind that we’re apparently being put on trial later in the story. Put. On. Trial; it would be moronic to assume that they place no value on what you’re like. It may not impact the decision, but it certainly does not mean nothing; the God’s opinion towards you is subject to change and will affect the Trials, like Rohie said. So of course trustworthiness is a goal regardless of your perspective; being alone or cunning is one thing, proving untrustworthy is something different altogether. That’s going to sour the opinions of some Gods even more and make it more difficult for you.
Trustworthiness usually has nothing to do with the trials. But the game has changed this time around; these aren’t the regular trials. Fate is far too vague to determine anything; if it wasn’t, the Gods wouldn’t be so divided on whether letting you into the trials is a good idea. Internal moral code may be inconsequential in terms of the trials themselves, but we’re subject to scrutiny outside of the trials that nobody else ever has been.
It’s not a matter of appearances now or who’s the best Hero to represent Olympus; it’s whether they entrust us with the potential to obliterate the entire universe. They would have to trust that we’re on their side, since to not be means all of their destruction.
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This just isn’t true according to the beliefs held by the gods. Yes, I am sure. Fate is the determiner of everything - the tapestry is already woven.
They believe none, not even themselves can. They all (whether for or against recruiting you) believe fate is decided on the trials - either you win or fail as fate would have it.
And? My MC and me as a reader don’t care what any of the gods think - with the exception of Athena - maybe but she and I as a reader are both deciding on that.
Does it matter what any of them think of you? No, I don’t think it does. The only thing that matters is if they think fate dictates you will join them in their war or fight against them in that same war. Even if all believed you were the goddess of trust and trustworthiness it wouldn’t change whether they stood for or against you.
All of them agree fate has or will already determine you wining or losing the trials - that and that alone is the reason they all agreed to let you in. The wholesomeness of the idea of putting you into the trials is inconsequential - it does not matter if the idea is poor, great or a mixed-bag.
It doesn’t matter - it just does not matter whether they trust us or not. Fate has already determined whether the universe survives or not. Fate has already determined whether we are on their side not trust, not actions taken or inaction … fate; the one inescapable fact of Greek mythos that all gods believe in.
The one truth that can not be altered.
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We don’t know. But story wise gods didn’t care about trustworthiness. Hell half of heroes conspired against half of gods and gods against each other. What is trustworthiness for them? What Hera considers trustworthiness would be treasonous for Ares . and something holly for Hades would be impiety for Apolo. Anyway gods already hate us and want us dead. And I hardly doubt anyone would achieve all love you enough to let you free. None hero was trustworthy except backstabbers and mass murders are new definition of trust. Some ancient text says something. I don’t care about your moral or beliefs I only need your victory in my name. All of you are portraying them as modern times politicians. So they want modern values like Trust and protect the ambient media. And Joining Greenpeace.And dunno I cant portrait Zeus as papa Gandhi.
Maybe you are right and all gods are now super friendly and vegetarian and wanted us to hug each other singing Give peace a chance . But last time I check this is a hunger game trial were only one wins and many perish.
And I didn’t sign any rules book BECAUSE THERE IS NONE AS HERA HAS SAID OR YOU WIN OR YOU DIE. THEY ONLY NEED ONE HERO.
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Awww that’s sad 
My defective brain’s “always love and help family no matter how shitty they are to you” makes it mandatory for me to help the gods and try to get them to love and accept me 
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If you were giving someone power over your life wouldn’t you want to trust them?
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Family its who loves you and care about you. If they abandoned you and try to kill you that’s not family for me. Also Our grandpa is a cannibal that eat all his son after rape her sisters and daughters… And dont let me started with Zeus
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My MC was named Nyx - the goddess of the night and the mother of all the deities - the Essence is the source of these gods - they are like a drawing you make - she believes she is there to take her essence back from these gods - even Athena.
As a reader I am sure my heart-strings will be tugged and twisted - Hades and Athena both are favorites but my MC is another matter. The more she is finding out, the more she believes her mother meant her to go down the path of Nyx.
On another session, I will try to play a purer MC but so far as a reader I’m not seeing any redemption possible other then taking all the essence back from everyone.
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If I believed in modern free will; yes.
If I believed as the gods here believe, as long as I had fate on my side, they could be as messed up as Loki - I’d still believe fate would be the final arbitrator.
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There werent give us power over them. FATE DID Gods are slaves to the FATE and even Rohie has admit gods believe in FATE. SO TRUSTWORTHINESS DON’T MATTER AT ALL. You could believe in Ponies and sweet cuthulku … Gods believe in Fate and thats a weak point.
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