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Heās so undervalued, heās the third result on Google. 
Behind two mentions of a fabric company. He died in '77, and his novels were republished in the late 80s when someone in Berkeley decided he had literary merit.
He went on to work with Stanley Kubrick, be praised by Stephen King (who will probably turn out like him in literary history), and be lauded as revolutionizing the crime fiction genre. All posthumously.
EDIT: Sorry, I misread that bit of the timeline. He was friends with Harlan Ellison, a later inspiration to authors like Stephen King, and worked with Kubrick (semi-disastrously) BEFORE his death. It was posthumously that he was re-published, gained credibility as an author, and movies were successfully made from his works. Pretty impressive for an anti-social alcoholic whose major strength was describing mental illness, sociopathy, and the breakdown of society in the first person.
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Itās always after they die.
So Kubrick was inspired by him?
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Yes we can, we hold them responsible to follow the rules otherwise any punishment is undeserved, though if they werenāt told not to I wouldnāt hold them responsible unless they could reason that they werenāt supposed too. Though in regards to obtaining it, I believe the blame lies in who gave it to them, except for the store clerk if they properly did their job.
Subjective. Again I grew up with a game about snuff with parent permission. Iām not saying it canāt be bad but weāre not robots. I definitely think your environment and personality affects how you react to it, and that can make it better or worse for people.
That, to me, still doesnāt sound like their responsibility. From my pov, if their parents felt like they could handle it, itās their responsibility to make sure whatever message they want gets across to them, if not then itās no oneās responsibility because everyone did their job in the matter and the child has no responsibility if they werenāt explicitly breaking rules.
I mean itās not as if the material was intended for children, which is probably the biggest reason I feel the creator has no responsibility towards them.
Sure. Parents ought to be involved in monitoring what their children experience; when certain content can be shown to a specific child has less to do with what it is, and how well itās explained. Iām going to link again to this article about a well-adjusted child playing GTA with their parent. But there are much worse parents in the world.
Some arenāt involved, or theyāre actively promoting harmful messages to their kids. Realistically, you canāt trust parents to watch out for their children. As an author, Iād think about whether a child who stumbled across my work had context for what they saw. When I was reading above my age level and I read about sex or atrocities, I was confused and scared. But I still learned something from it, if it was well-written and talked about experiences that people had, rather than making it all out to be fun and games.
If a story can tell you āThis is what a monster looks like, and these things do happenā? āThese are the words for the feelings you might have had that timeā? We need those narratives. Itās a counterpoint to all of the stories that insist that bad things donāt happen, that those that do are neatly resolved, or that people who suffer are a different category from those who imagine harm.
I learned a lot from horror stories, about things that people didnāt otherwise talk about. About right and wrong, consequences, what hurting and not hurting people looks like. It was what saved me from a world where no one I directly knew had anything resembling a moral compass. This is why villains are important, and why itās important that they BE villains. The only sort of horror story that really makes me uncomfortable is one where no one seems to realize that anythingās wrong with their actions.
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Sounds fantastic I need to read him!
What if having to make sure that the monster is categorized as evil and hero as good, takes away from the story? Or what if the villain is more sympathetic to the child? (This was actually something that always bugged me in childhood cartoons, the villain usually tried harder but never won, I always felt bad for them)
The book overal or just the characters themselves?
I like erotica too and that and i could understand that fetishes even if I would kill if someone tries to make pass for it. I think it should have their separated market and ONLY for adults. Hentay is EVERYWHERE and Teens watching all time TRIVIALIZING the pain and suffering of many people . To the point there is not anything not Forced in erotica nowadays. All is FORCED FORCED FORCED FORCED FORCED FORCED. ā¦
Most of people donāt like being forced.i have seen most boys trying to act like those characters and being all macho and hit their girlfriends. It is trivializing all the issue because there is not other type of representatives of situation.
Still you seem to defend pederasts erotica too always is not real and only literature. Or hentai. And thatās a big no for me. And less that people make money for it . Still each on their own I am not going asking for banning anything on internet except here In Cog because they defend in theory a equally representation of everyone and the cruelty of hard violence against everyone. Even if in practice add some very nasty scenes now and them to cheap wow factor.
If you sell a integrity and a everyone friendly You canāt add Rape fest volume one Or go Shoot trans extreme.
Edit However Orange clock machine is one of my favorite movies. Because is not trivial. And touch great themes. I love 1984 and brave new world. I like dark themes always are well writen and not being cheap trivial stories to give a cheap wow factor. You could write about everything if you are a genius
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I say nd is proven that in TEENS and Children see those content help to create agressive behaviour also TRIVIALIZES rape and violence. All people who see that type of content frequently ask me and girls DO YOU WANT BE forced ? And FANTASIZE about doing it to girls in real life one of them real rape a girl and is in tribunals his case. So maybe I had worse luck ever and only find jerks. Any way i have no problem with porn market i even consume it My problem is with that market enter in normal one and being selling to groups is not designed to. IS NOT FOR TEENS OR CHILDREN PERIOD. And should not be in media access for them. Hentai in force Material i am not aginst it if you feel arousal in torture is okay. Also sadism is ok if everyone is consenting then is perfectly fine and sane.
But the asking if is TRIVIAL and yes. You even is accepting fine see woman being tortured or fantasy with it so say that those is not trivializing real thing in my opinion is offensive.
Is like Someone say I love FANTASIZE have tons of nigros slaves and whipe and torturing them so I will make a game about it Well thatās trivializing slavery and all people who suffering it.
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Normal market is NORMAL market no porn. Google + Apple ios and norml shops etcetera. For instance here normal newspapers shops sell porn and hentai and is easy access to children I have seen a boy like 7 eight bought hentai in a shop. Porn should be only in specific shops or specific places on internet.
Chidren see and watch hentai here all time.
So hence my problem with it. I wouldnāt like read here choice of the rape However i understand there is something like that in a erotica website . I think I am not saying nothing extremely strange
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Iām about to admit something that I really donāt like talking about publicly. Iām not sure if Iāve mentioned it on this forum ā I donāt believe I have, but itās possible I did at some point in past.
When I was 14, I was sexually assaulted by an older boy at my high school. He was 18. He used to send me extremely explicit text messages, make inappropriate jokes, and touch me in inappropriate placesāin front of our mutual friends, who would laugh. For years, I avoided dating ā I didnāt start dating until I was nearly 19.
I turn 22 this year.
And guess what ā one of the ways I take control of what happened to me is to read erotica involving forced activities (dubcon).
I felt the need to address this, because, as I was scrolling through, I read one person outright say that theyāve ānever heard of itā. Fact of the matter is, rape and sexual assault victims all cope in different ways, and having ārape fantasiesā is one of the most common ways.
When it comes to whether the choice to sexually assault someone, commit murder, steal priceless items, etc. is acceptableā¦ I have to say yes. It always is.
The universe is about free will. Letās look at an extremely popular choice-based series: Mass Effect. It is sci-fi, but the way the developers handled the act of genocide was fantastic, despite the genocide happening to alien characters ā Shepard faces consistent backlash for his/her actions.
Or how about in Dragon Age, when you doom Lothering to destruction (by no real fault of your own)? You see the effects on Hawkeās family, and even on the first Quartermaster you meet in Inquisition, even if you didnāt really feel bad that everyone you met in Lothering is dead, now, back in the beginning of Origins.
Putting real, hard-hitting consequences for an action is the opposite of trivializing something. Trivializing something would be making a rape joke, or acting like there is no weight to this action.
I couldnāt care less if the character, themself, feels bad about their actions ā it is the people around them, the people they encounter, that makes it real.
In Fable 2, you can decide to save Old Town, your home as a beggar orphanā¦or to give it to the criminals, dooming everyone there to a life of poverty, prostitution, and starvation. The people never treat you the same, regardless of how to go about it. The criminals you betray by reporting to the guard continue to target you for the rest of the gameā¦Or, the people you doomed to misery spit on you as you walk by, for the rest of the game.
I think that is the best way you can handle things ā nobody is going to be happy about what you do 100% of the time. Thatās real life. And the more three-dimensional, the more intricate, the more real the people, aside from the PC, areā¦the more entertaining and hard-hitting the game/book is.
Genocide, murder, rape, sexual assault, kidnappingā¦all of these things are disgusting ā and I hope nobody here would ever do any of these things ā but the love potion example earlier in the thread is a good example of how someone might be swayed into sexual assault. Genocide ā āpush this button to blow up the planet, or everyone on your ship WILL die, including your loved onesā ā Murder āthis is the man who has been stalking you for yearsā ā justā¦anything can be rationalized. Any character can be empathized with. shrug
I think limiting ourselves based on the idea that we may be ātrivializingā something closes our mind to learning about other people and how other people work/think/act ā¦and why they are that way.
Idk, Iām getting long-winded and incoherent at this point. Iām just going to go back to coding, now. whistles
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Donāt assume ALL rape victims have Rape fantasies. I have not and mostly none of the support group I was hadnāt it. There was some is true but was not by far common. It was more common in boys.
I donāt think that author should limit their creative process. What I believe normal market should limit the access to it to children minors and people vulnerable. Ithink that should be in a fixed secure porn market And nevwr including REAL images from real rapes or pederasty and yes there are people who rape people mostly minors to recording it and selling it like porn . A mafia was discovered in Spain and other European countries Many of you probably has watching some as supposed normal porn when it was a real rape not a film.
And yes is pure trivialization. One thing different is you want that stuff or not in your story. I really think Cog with their goal of inclusive shouldnāt have discrimination and Rape fantasies on it.
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I assume, by context, you mean that they shouldnāt. However, I can give you examples of published Hosted/Choice of games that already have these things in them. Choice of Vampire has discrimination/slavery in place. Tin Star, as has been mentioned, allows you to commit genocide. All of the sci-fi ones have discrimination (and even genocide, if I rememberā¦was it āThe Fleetā? All of those star captain ones that came out within a few months of each other all sort of melded into the same game, in my mind) against āothersā in them.
One of the best ways humans learn how to cope, empathize, and understand other people, other cultures, and other situations from their own is to read about them.
An example I always like to reference is cannibalism. Most people find it abhorrent, yet many of us find a perverse joy in watching shows/movies like āSilence of the Lambsā, āRed Dragonā, āHannibal (tv series)ā, etc. And there are people in this world that eat the brains of their loved ones as a way to honor their memory.
I am, of course, not comparing cannibalism to rape, since rape is tortureā¦However, something like sexual assault is different. I would not consider it sexual assault for my male cousin to hug me, but Iād consider it to be sexual assault if some stranger came up to me and hugged me. ā¦Yet perhaps they were doing it because they are schizophrenic or have Downās Syndrome. It helps to put your feet in another personās shoes.
Thatās why I donāt believe choices should be limited. If an author wishes to write about something, as long as they handle it with tact, I donāt believe it is trivializing.
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If is with tact all could enter more or less. What I was talking about the games who recreate in a fetish way violence against everything and graphically defend racism genocide torture etcā¦
is not the same Vampire 2 portrait ofKKKThat Choice Of KKK Enjoy the best way of kill those Frijoleros nigroes and gays BURNING THEM AND PUT ALL WOMEN IN THEIR PLACE AS A MALE SHOULD.
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I suppose I see your point, but I can also see how playing through the perspective of someone so obviously effed in the head would be interesting.
Seeing the way people talk to the PC versus how the PC interprets what theyāre sayingā¦the reality of what the PC is doing vs the PCās plans.
To bring politics in ā yesterday, Trump gave a speech about Black History Month/Frederick Douglass. He turned around and made it about himself, a rich, white man, while proving he has no idea who Douglass was or what he stands for. Trump obviously thought he was giving a moving speech about a famous person while also keeping the focus on how heās going to fix the countryā¦While the rest of us most of us thought he sounded like an idiot who has no idea the meaning behind BHM.
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Exactly well example. I did not like Versus 2 portrait or BDSM. I know Bondage people and are great people. They explain it well and is all about trust and consensual. None is forced. However first thing versus 2 does is forced a character to become a sex slave and mockering about any attempt to say No I DONāT WANT ROMANCE YOU AND BE YOUR LOVE ALSO FORCED SEX SCENE it was changed from the beta to be less forced and less pet slave but still the idea of a one time lover could force you to be a slave of hers with no say about it. BDSM is trivialized and portrayed as a Mad women that could control people as see fit.
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Oh, definitely. look at the Fifty Shades series.
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Yes, you are going to get flak. And if you are loathe to discuss pedophilia, then why are you discussing it?
The bottom line is that we would never publish a game that includes or implies pedophilia. Moreover, this is not the place to debate or discuss such things. We take a hard line on sexual misconduct on these forums and in our games.
Finally, Iām now instituting a permanent ban on the discussion of pedophilia.
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Iām writing a game Unspoken (WIP, Demo Ver. 0.0.2) with terrorism as a major theme. Thinking about the motivations, affiliations and natures of the potential terrorist groups, I got to thinking about whether or not the inclusion of certain groups (even only in likeness) would be considered offensive to any of the great members of this community. I personally am 100% free speech, and believe saying anything that doesnāt do any physical harm must be protected speech, even if I disagree with it.
So, CoG community, what crosses the line into offending you? If my game contained references to an Islam-affiliated terrorist group (alongside Tea Party groups, anarchists, other groups), would that offend anyone? What is okay to put into your works? Curious on seeing what yāall think.