A Mage Reborn, Book Two (WIP) - UPDATED April 5th, 2025 | Book One Released!

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She doesn’t find it angsty. It drowns out emotions for her. Except horniness. Fighting makes her horny.

What they did with Ren was a large reason why I hate the sequels. I never watched the third one because the second was just so bad, but I liked Kylo’s character (except they completely missed the mark on who Vader was and what drove him, which kinda fucked up Kylo from the get go). Plus, I loathed most of the characters. They should’ve gotten whoever wrote Rogue One to write the sequels, because Rogue One was fucking awesome.

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… Isn’t that like a good portion of angst prose. Finding blah blah to drown out the pain of blah blah. And then they’re horny so they can still get it on with the main line and spout off sappy post coital puns?

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I have seen Vader in rogue one and that’s it.

Ren I was kinda excited for pre watch because I figured he was Jacen solo parallel from the get go. But. Um going by just the third movie I had bland and annoying Rey, All the previous cast was dead and Ren was strangely silent for a good portion of his screen time. Oh and All the Sith. And a weird force bond for a twilight romance that is unimportant minus to kill someone.

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That’s what I used to think before Wayhaven came along. Now the above is drama to me, while angst is forced crap to drag things on as long as possible and avoiding having conversations like rational adults to deal with issues between people involved with each other. That game has made me hate the word angst because it seemed to redefine it for me.

Before, I would’ve considered the mage’s story angsty. Now, I’d just say it’s sad and that the mage got screwed over. There’s not overly forced drama more suited to whiny tweens that could easily be solved with a candid conversation, so nope, no angst there. Or maybe there’s just different definitions for Wayhaven…

On Star Wars sequels

Rey is the main reason I couldn’t stomach the trilogies. She was a poorly written character, all in the name of girl power, and it pissed me off. There was no depth to her, she had no real failures in the first two movies, and when Kylo helped, she demanded he switch sides right then and there, then was ready to condemn him when he didn’t immediately drop on his knees to follow her. He saved her ass, right before she ridiculously beat the crap out of everyone herself, and she was an ungrateful bitch about it.

I heard she finally had a failure in the third movie, that lasted all of two seconds before she found out she didn’t really kill Chewie or whatever it was. Then Kylo dies so she can live. Blech.

I would’ve written her going full on evil, with Kylo mirroring her transition back to the “light” side, only to have them eventually meet in the middle, understanding that emotions aren’t inherently bad–it’s what you do with them. Grey Jedi all the way.

Two other things that irked me: how Han and Leia split up (they would not have split up they would’ve gone to get their kid and jerked a knot in his head), and how Luke’s solution to thinking Kylo may go evil was to fucking kill him. He witnessed his own father being evil and it was Vader’s buried love for his kid that saved him and allowed him to toss Palpatine’s ass outta there. And he didn’t think about that when he realized Kylo might head down the wrong path?

All the original characters were screwed in the sequels, because they decided to shit all over the original trilogy, prequels, and expanded universe.

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I’m getting some real self projection vibes from this.

No. Leon never pretended to be friends/lover with the Mage, after the Saintes he saw them as a traitor and couldn’t accept they had a reason, if that were true we’d see in his internal dialogue that he never valued the mage in the first place which, let’s be real here, is absurd.

From his perspective at the time the mage is the one who betrayed them because A: Ante, B: Lack of trust, and C: He’s an idiot.

Does that make it better? Hell no and he deserves an ass kicking, but it won’t stop me from sticking to the facts of the matter and calling it out when I see it…

I’m going to turn into the fact-checker of the forum at this rate :neutral_face:

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Oh, I know! D: all of the above!

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We did get his reasoning tho if you did his path In chapter 8 or whatever it was. I argue that he was one hundred percent in the right for burning our ass but his main reason was trying to be the perfect king for his brother and that he felt personally betrayed.

I still think he had plenty of president to carry out the law but we can keep that buried

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So there is a pov of sorts where his motivations are explained? Reading it might involve duty and betrayal feels great from my pov, because then I guess I understood the assignment (while hating parts of it.)
Overall it’s not the worst explanation out there, the only thing which sorts of ruins it are a) you can choose to be a good bean, earn his trust and literally never do anything suspicious b) execution chicken nugget style wasn’t the only solution, but I can forgive that plot point because the mage dying is literally the premise of this game.

Plus I guess that betrayal clouding his mind to the point of acting like an idiot makes a little more sense, considering what happened with the king. I still think it’s silly and disconnected, while also not hating it (if that makes sense.)

“never betrayes his trust”
“Kills the saintess”
I’m afraid to tell you he took that personally

And the burning was insisted upon by the church. Being a heretic n all

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That he did, although he should have also stopped to think about why would the mage, who did do much to help them, do such a thing?
Which brings me to another plot point: I hate the “I can’t tell you the truth because of magic” makes for some potentially tasty drama, but at the end of the day it’s just a camouflaged miscommunication trope.

Jokes on me for forgetting the church’s involvement. He’s still the king, but I guess a clouded mind is more inclined to fall under peer pressure lol. Would love to do a uno reverse card roast in the future.

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I’d say that still falls under lack of trust

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At the time of the Saintess’ death he was a king with an angry Church, angry vassals and angry commoners

Almost everyone wanted the MC to die and Leon is not known for being smart and having strong willpower

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I love how discourse surrounding Leon is split in a) people trying to explain why he did xyz b) people explaining to the first group that Leon is, in fact, stupid.
It’s like the shitpost with the wall of text “people who like x” vs “why I like x” and it’s just: he’s cool.

I don’t think I’ve ever felt this conflicted about a RO and I’m not complaining. Usually I know what I like, but this guy? Mr worldwide.

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Nah, I think that the beauty of Leon is that he had xyz reasons to cave in, but he admits himself, that he could’ve done things about it, but he took that L as a friend and/or lover and didn’t do that leap of faith Saine and Ilya did. So there are outsiders to blame and flaws inside the character too.

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Well of course he is, like have u seen Leon make one smart choice through out the game without our Mc’s involvement in it and the dumbest thing I can still remember that Leon did besides burning us was just to take Ilyia side because she was just angry at a MC that wants to try all possible options when deciding the fate of the Arcadians in piram during that plague in book 1, how can u instantly try to yeet out of there and ignore your people’s suffering when u haven’t exhausted all options properly to find root of the problem

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Nah, I agree with you guys. Like I said, I think a man in his station with the info he had in his situation, I think it was completely justified. But that wasn’t his reason so he’s in the wrong for me.

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@K_Douglas Bruh I gotta be honest that was not justified, if u consider that a king just excuted someone that did a great service to him and also the MC was never even give a fair trial to defend themselves, like how on the bloody earth can this fool of a king not look for evidence to save someone who saved another someone he holds dear to is naive heart or think for a moment like what is the point of MC killing someone like the saintess and to add salt to injury, the excuted got a title which is practically useless, like what the hell is MC gonna need a title considering that MC is dead in book 1

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You forgot that from his angle we down right refused to explain our selves, the church and the civilian mob were almost inciting riot for your death. And the fact that when you killed the saintess, like it or not you proved all of Ante’s doubts about you. You served your country yes but clearly not anymore. Leaders need to make decisions like this. But that wasn’t his reason so moot point.

If you want to rehash just read the last 1000 post. History repeats

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I think, while reading through this discussion, I’ve figured out what it is that makes me personally read this story in a way that doesn’t make me judge Leon too harshly.

Mainly: the setting, and skills in the storytelling.

If this were a story set in contemporary times, more rooted in realism, even with magic I’d probably be on the side of anyone who’s mentioned Leon in the “We should see other people” thread. But something about the fantasy setting, the beautiful narration and so on, makes the story feel more like a folk tale, legend or fairytale to me.

“A king who mourns the merciful saviour he thought was guilty” sounds like something that could’ve been a H.C. Anderson or Grimm Brothers story to me, or even a local folk legend. I grew up learning about my country’s superstitions and magic so, while I sadly don’t believe trolls exist, that still allows me to see this story in a way that feels very comforting and familiar. So I don’t judge Leon as harshly as I might’ve otherwise, because the tragedy - if not dissected through a modern logical lens - feels like it serves a purpose. One that I’m more than happy to go along with.

Don’t get me wrong - I think there’s definitely value and fun in analysis and I hope those that read AMR more through that lens are having as much fun as I am with the story. I think it’s more impressive on the side of the author that there’s such opposing views going on.

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I understand that. I do hope we get to see an expansion on the reasoning or explanation in the next book. The reason I used folk stories as an example though is that they can often seem a bit stupid upon reflection - a lot of Norwegian tales end with the hero character receiving “the Princess and half the kingdom” as payment for helping the kingdom with something. Would a real monarch freely offer such a large part of their power to a peasant? No. But it does make for a good story when told well, regardless.

I understand that that’s not everyone’s cup of tea - Param has quite deep world building so one expects a certain level of detail and immersion in all other aspects of the story, as well. It’s also easier to be bothered by what might be considered a flaw when it’s such an integral one to the plot. I wonder if any beta readers of the first book brought up that they’d like more reasons for Leon’s choice. But it might also be that readers are not necessarily supposed to like Leon or forgive him, I think if it were a novel and the set path was forgiveness then it’d be further more important for Leon to have more or other reasons, because readers would be along for the ride of needing to like him to appreciate the plot regardless. As players that’s up to us to decide, though. For me, Leon not being 100% in the right only expands on my character’s core traits, which I appreciate.

This pretty much. I actually would like to see more options for the MC to struggle with their emotions - leaning towards forgiveness because they understand but still dealing with the trauma of having burned. It’d be a good middle ground. I admit this might exist already, I haven’t played it yet if it does, but I do think that some more expansion on the mage’s horrific experiences is important. Most people aren’t 100% fine after even a near-death scenario, and the mage went through a death-death one lmao.

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I would also probably find Leon and MC’s story beautiful in its tragedy. But Leon’s reason is so stupid so no.

“Brother’s suspicions was proven true and i feel so wronged, to make up for it MC will be burnt to a crisp”

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To be honest our mc is partly to blame how on earth can you spend time with people and not even reveal little bits of your past before your pyscho sister comes up and decides to start a war for u to start spilling the beansss, if the mc was just honest about who there are we might have had a fighting chance to come out of that burning situation if we spoke more sincerely to someone in our adventuring group or someone we might have interacted during our time in piram or we trusted people more

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