A Mage Reborn, Book Two (WIP) - UPDATED April 5th, 2025 | Book One Released!

  1. Mind control used to be availible but the only person who could use said drug and recreate it is dead except for maybe an alchemist focused mage.
  2. Side effects on the mind after the war could have messed the mc up a lot, or at least most people would think along those lines. Happens irl a lot irl and prevents people from getting the help they need.
  3. The only other explanation i could give is being power hungry that people might find likely.
  4. We could not tell anyone about what our sister did even after her death. Making it seem like something is wrong with the mage, and with someone as powerful as the mage randomly killing important people death was really the only awnsere that could stop a revolt from taking place. Leom really didn’t have a choice as much as he rule the kingdom the people still hold a lot of power.
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Power hungry? Mage was offered a court mage position, that’s quite literally on of the most powerful positions in Param, arguably only second to the king; in fact, it would’ve made it easier to kill the saintess with that status since they could pull rank to reach her. Plus it’s not like killing the saintess would’ve given Mage a shot at the position, well unless they were planning on killing Ilya and whoever was in line after her.

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I’m not too religious myself but I think people down play the fact that you killed the saintess way to much. The only thing that you could do that would be worse legally is to kill Leon. This is a very serious crime and you were caught red handed. The fact that you weren’t killed on the spot was in of it’s self a mercy. War hero or not, you were awol for months before sneaking into to the country to kill the saintess. I’m pretty sure the average king would have thrown you weakend and starved to the mob.

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Love him or hate him Leon is always Being talked Abt every time I check the post on here all I see is stuff abt Leon not the other characters so I think the writer did a good job making a character you can love a lot or hate them a lot

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Starting to get why the author isn’t on here much anymore.

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It would have been merciful if they had killed the mage on the spot, they didn’t killed the mage there because they wanted to burn him alive and again everyone keep forgeting that this world have magic but apparently they don’t use magic to investigate crimes even though it’s an important variable in that world

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I don’t think he’s the type to cut and run, even if he doesn’t like the discussions (and, I mean, let’s be honest, you can’t have a group of characters turn on the MC and have one burn the MC to death and not expect some people to hate them and be unforgiving unless something drastic happens to prompt it!). But yeah, that’s not it…

On Patreon, he said (in a very creative way, just as he does everything!) that he had been unwell and had to self-isolate for a while. He’s better now, thankfully, and getting back into the swing of things. But I’m sure he needs time to fully recover and feel better, so I think that is the main reason he hasn’t been around.

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I would like to clarify though that no matter how much I dislike Leon or how he was handled that the distaste does not extend toward the author themself. I hope they are taking care of themself, and will be alright!

The ability to feel passion about a work in any form is a form of flattery, the worst crime a writer can do is to bore, and of all the things people can say about AMR what they most certainly don’t say is that it is a bore!

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I understand what Leon had to do. I would burn myself too if I killed an important person.
every action must face consequences. good or bad. people kill other people over THE REASON all time.
or you people are so naive that the king actually has power and not behead by some commoner in history if they went against the commoners’ wish? people would burn him at the stake with the mage too.
also, the mage was stupid enough to fall for the trap. I would hint everywhere. I am mastered bending the rule all my life.
I and my mc don’t forgive him. because we don’t even angry about that. I don’t think he is at the fault here.

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there is a case in my country a model police kill his child. do people forgive him just because he used to be a good policeman and help so many people? nope. it is a separate thing. he was sentenced to life. but ended up kill himself next to my father’s cell later. maybe he didn’t even kill himself. maybe other prisoner did that. we never been so sure.

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If a mere commoner could behead a king I would very much doubt the capabilities of such king in the first place, and as I keep repeating I don’t see the point of giving case examples from our world to a world where magic is applied. In addition, in the case that you mention before sentencing him for life, investigations are carried out if the policeman has mental problems and, among other things, and then the sentencing procedure is carried out. In the case of the mage, there was no investigation or anything when again , there may be magic involved but only ilya and saine thought of it, it seems. And whether or not people forgive him is a totally different story, people criticize anything from people they don’t even know all the time. But the problem I had was not the execution but that someone who is supposed to be the mage is friend/lover didn’t even give him the benefit of the doubt even if he had executed the mage in the end I wouldn’t have a problem if he had at least believed a little in the mage but apart from the fact that they did not investigate anything they burned him alive too.

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Something a lot of people are forgetting is that during Feudal times, there wasn’t much of, or any legal system at all, the law was basically what the king said. Leon is the head of an Absolute monarchy, not a president or prime minister, by law, he can do anything, including pardoning criminals and killing anyone he wants. This doesn’t mean that he can literally do anything he wants, because there’s the church and other powerful lords and nobles, but he has de jure sovereignty. Leon could have easily let the mage escape, or even outright blamed the mage’s evil sister’s ghost and had them stay with him, What noble or church branch would dare question both the king and a powerful mage, the ruler of the nation and someone powerful enough to kill their saintess? If Henry VIII can split from the church and basically appoint himself Pope of his new church just because he wants to divorce his wife, then Leon could have easily saved the Mage.

My theory is that Leon, who we all know isn’t very bright, is letting himself get manipulated by his court (spymaster, etc) into getting rid of his own people (the mage, driving a wedge between Leon and Saine) so that they can control him.

Regardless, our very talented Author already has different routes planned out, this is an IF game after all, which is why my Mage will be romancing Yusuha and Destroying his ex’s(Leon’s) kingdom. I’ll also try the Leon route just to see what it’s like as well. I’m glad we get the option to choose what we’ll do, there’s a lot of IF games which are much more linear and choice-restricted than AMR.

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…My dude, I don’t try to be mean but this is absolutely incorrect in the historical part. Not only the power of monarchy varied wildly across the Middle Ages, but the period itself can be characterized by the weakness of the monarchy in front of local, feudal landowners from Britain to even Greece during the Komnenian Restoration.

The example you give about Henry VIII happens precisely after the Middle Ages during a period in which absolute monarchy as a concept is born. Even the most “”“primitive”“” feudal states had a semblance of legal system out of sheer, pure necessity, with examples as Norway interlinking said legal systems with religious holy sites and pagan rites. The christian kingdoms of the Iberian peninsula had the Cortes and the Curia, institutions that, while not quite the same as modern parlaments, did held the function of both curtailing the power of the king and also acting as representatives of the different social classes in the making and execution of laws. During the renaissance of the 12th century the rediscovery of the Justinian code of law gave way to not only to the rise of clerks as secular lawyers and erudites, but also a great interest in the codification of writen law as a way to consolidate the incresingly powerful christian kingdoms emerging from the chaos of the first 500 years.

We can have a discussion about how Leon is some sort of absolute ruler, but believe me, such a position wouldn’t be medieval at all, and even during the consolidation of the absolutist states across Europe there was writen laws and expectations placed upon the rulers.

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No offence taken, You are correct and I know that it was a huge oversimplification and generalisation on my part, I was just trying to emphasise that the legal system and the rule of law and its enforcement was completely different in those times than today. Regardless, I think Leon could have saved the mage if he wanted to, It’s just that Leon didn’t want to save them.

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Leon literally said that he could fake the mage’s death If I’m remembering correctly when you choose the option to impersonate the villain, he could have saved him if he wanted to but he preferred to turn his back on the mage :man_shrugging:

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Only if the Mage told him why they killed the Saintess, and I think that’s an understandable condition given that Leon has to protect Param.

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Unfortunately the mage couldnt tell him.

Agree completely with that: Leon indeed could have saved the mage if not by law then by simply faking the execution. While pressure from the church, the nobility and the commons is present in the scene, it ends up not being the deciding factor but the fact that Leon believes the MC betrayed him. We can discuss how said decision was just or unjust or sensible, but that it was an individual one is undeniable.

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So we have a very powerful mage that appears out of nowhere and becomes very close to Salantiran ruler, starts manipulating and eventually mind controls the guy while doing the same to potential threats to her power (or killing them i assume) to effectively become a ruler of Salantira in all but name. I assume this information becomes public knowledge or is at least disclosed to nobles and high ranking church officials to better deal with Salantiran invasion.

What happens in Param: a very powerful mage appears out of nowhere and becomes very close friends/lovers with 3 of the most influential people in kingdom (2 princes and future saintess). After invasion begins this mage becomes even more powerful and is seemingly on the side of Param. Judging by the fact that Ilya was chosen as next saintess most people thought that old saintess was most likely presumed dead by majority of population.

What happens next is mage kills the Salantiran mage, effectively becoming the most powerful known magic user in Param but then old saintess is found to be alive. Iirc she is said to be extremely powerful theurge so if she fully recovers she would probably be a person rivaling mage in magical prowess. Then mage disappears for months without explaining anything, comes back in secret and murders old saintess (potentially along with a regiment of paladins some of which were their comrades/friends). When questioned said mage now refuses to say anything other than “mwahaha i’m evil” or “i’m innocent, trust me bro” and both saintess and prince seem to be pretty open to the idea of blindly trusting the mage to be good despite evidence and potentially testimony showing them as guilty.

Does nobody realise what would happen if Leon was to let the mage escape/free them? If i was a human in society that was pretty openly anti arcadian and then saw an unknown mage with unknown powers that are clearly not normal magic get so close to King, Saintess and Prince to the point they all claim they’re good and innocent despite evidence after said mage murders a Pope (that unlike real world pope actually has divine magic) I would be pretty quick to look at what happened in Salantira and think that “hey, that seems very suspicious and strangely similar to the thing that this Sister person did in that country that just invaded us”.

Leon would have caused a civil war or at the very least an attempt at coup by letting mage live/escape. And in my opinion he was pretty close to it. I got the impression that if mage was to give him any explanation Leon would definitely cling to it. If anything the whole conversation in prison seemed like Leon desperately trying to find any excuse to not kill a mage without starting a civil war and after not getting any he was trying to convince himself that mage is in fact guilty and bad and deserves to die. The short story is pretty at showing what he’s going through emotionally.

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For me it isn’t the fact that Leon killed the mage, it was that he himself didn’t trust them. If it was actually public pressure that made Leon do it, then I would have been completely fine with it. Instead, he just immediately believes that the MC would murder the Saintess for no reason and sentences them to death without questioning why the MC would do something like that.

If Leon genuinely believed the MC innocent but said that there was nothing he could do lest he encourage the wrath of the public and nobility all upon him for someone who, no matter for what reason, really did end the saintess’ life then he would be a lot more sympathetic. If he was written as a King faced with an impossible choice, and not a flippant tyrant who will immediately believe whatever is told to him, it would be different.

Within the narrative, Leon killing the MC makes sense to me. The issue is the character writing for why Leon does it. The MC could feel betrayed by a lack of effort by Leon to free them, or by Leon stating that they must die, lest the entire nation that they saved fall for it. Instead, it’s just ‘you evil person I can’t believe I fell in love with you now you die.’ Then, no less than 2 months later, ‘Oh shit, I killed the love of my life/one of my closest friends with no visible external pressures because I thought that they were acting senselessly in a world where there is magic capable of manipulating and reading minds.’

Response to @Reaper3 :
I haven’t seen the short story, Do you have a link for it? :blush: Also, sorry for looping it back to Leon, I just find it difficult to justify what he did, considering the speed and lack of investigation around it.

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I actually never did the Leon romance route so I’m only gonna touch on him in friend route.
As we know from the story Leon is someone who tends to make decisions based on his emotions without always thinking about consequences and always trying to do the right thing. However the pressure of becoming a king and all the responsibility clearly put a lot of pressure on him.

The mage situation presented him before a massive conflict: he clearly knows that mage did kill the saintess (and in my case didn’t try to hide it or claim innocence, she clearly stated that she did it, that she had reasons and that she won’t disclose said reasons) and he should know that not executing the mage without good reason will throw Param into another bloody war, one that is arguably worse than Salantir invasion as it would be a civil war this time.
On the other side we have the mage’s actions being very sus in a sense that they would not normally disappear for months to show up and kill important people (although this probably does depend on how you built your mage but mine was a kind and selfless person) without good reason. However we once again come to the reason mage must be executed - they did kill the saintess, and at the moment there are no excuses Leon can give to the kingdom to keep mage alive (and in my playthrough that was also exact thoughts of my mage who at this point knew that she has to die for Param to have peace).

The choice Leon is faced with is making the right thing for the kingdom by damning his friend or making the right thing for his friend and dooming the peace they all fought so hard for. And here comes my personal opinion and maybe a fair bit of speculation on Leon’s feelings at the moment: if he truly trusts in mage, he knows they don’t deserve the execution but there is no way to avoid it without civil war/coup/unrest so he must execute them. So he convinces (or rather deceives) himself that yes, mage is indeed a traitor that manipulated him all along and that spymaster is right about them. Because otherwise he wouldn’t be able to order their execution. And even after that he still comes to prison for one last chance to get an excuse to not kill them.

Or at least that’s how I read Leon’s behaviour: a man who deceived himself because he knows that otherwise he wouldn’t be able to do what must be done.

Also I feel like Leon and execution is probably one of the most discussed topics on the forum so I wouldn’t mind moving it to DMs to spare this thread from another one of really long winded ones and it would probably be a bit easier since I do tend to write walls of text in forums :slight_smile:

Edit: Have you read the short story about him yet? It goes in great detail about his feelings on the matter and is pretty great

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