The Golden Rose: Book One by Ana Ventura

It’s old Norse and means something along the lines of ‘the one who dwells in the marshland/swamp’. Offspring of Loki/Loke and the giantess Angerboda/Angerborg etc (sibling of Jörmungandr (The Earth’s Band), the Midgard serpent!)).

He wasn’t really bad, but the combination of prophecies and his growing powers scared the Norse gods, especially Odin, so they chained him. No wonder he got angry with them. :pensive:

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I’ve replayed the demo like 10 goddamn times I’m losing my MIND it’s SO GOOD :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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Fenrir means “one who lives in the fen”, hence, Fenrir. Despite what some people think, a fen isn’t the same as a marsh or bog.

Fenrir is also known as Fenrisúlfr (wolf of the fen-dweller), Hróthvitnir (famous wolf), and Vanagand (Van [a river] monster), and other various kennings such as Beast of Slaughter, Enemy of Odin, etc.

In the Hyndlujóth, Angrbotha is the mother only of Fenrir, not of the other two (Jormungand and Hel) - that’s only in the later Prose Edda. In the Völuspá, though unnamed, she’s given not as Fenrir’s mother, but as the “mother of Fenrir’s kin”, Sköll (Sköll equals Fenrir himself in some texts) and Hati.

Loki later goes on to marry Sigyn, and they have at least Narfi, sometimes Váli, who have a whole… wolf thing going on. Loki in general seems to have a wolf thing with her descendants. In kennings Loki was referred to often as “wolf’s father” (even though she was by modern standards transgender).

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I lowkey wish you write IF based on Fenrir’s story :eyes:

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It was one of those times I really felt for a antagonist. Especially in some stories where he has a kind of bond with Tyr, one of the few gods brave enough to play and feed him.

When Fenrir was younger, he seemed so excited to prove his strength to the other Norse Gods, so he didn’t think too much about the little games of chain breaking to test out his strength. But as time went by, he noticed the way the gods were being whenever he broke a chain and began to get suspicious. The Wolf grew even more leery when they presented him with the weakest looking chain (the one that ultimately ended up being the chain that binded him) and tried to goad him into trying it. He relented, but under the condition that one of the Gods put their hand in his mouth in faith; and if he was betrayed in some way (like not releasing him if really could not break the chain), he warned he would take that hand in payment.

Tyr was the one he offered that hand, even knowing while he knew the true intentions of the other gods and the chain. And when the Norse gods ultimately did betray Fenrir, he let the wolf take his hand without a struggle. He did not get angry at the wolf, nor did he laugh in triumph with his fellow Gods as they walked away and left Fenrir bound. Tyr simply seemed quiet and lost in thought in that version, though one can only guess what went on in his mind.

Of course, I don’t know much about my Fenrir’s origins, so I will continue to joke that it involved a man, a woman, and too much drinks at the tavern for the time being. :laughing:

You mean how one brother was turned into a violent wolf by one of the Norse Gods, ripped his other brother apart, and the innards of said brother was used to chain Loki to a rock as a snakes venom fell on his face for a long time before the coming of Ragnarok? and Sigyn held a bowl over his face to shield him from the venom for as long as she could, before she had to take moments to dump out the excess, leaving Loki vulnerable to the venom during that time? Yeah, it’s not a wonder he was pretty pissed by the time Ragnarok came around himself.

Granted, this all happened after Loki insulted each of the Norse Gods and let slip the vital role he played in Baldur’s death (and that’s not even counting some of his other actions). So on the other hand, I understand why the other Norse Gods did what they did. Always felt that his family should not have been punished for his actions though.

It would certainly be a interesting idea to explore, much like how it would be interesting to see a IF of Frankenstein.

What story would be told using these characters is another matter (since that is all on the author). But they certainly seem capable of offering an interesting premise and role.

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Again… Norse mythology isn’t like one great book of their myths, they were stories and many of the stories English people quote are bastardised, Christianised forms of late stories. Hence why no one mentions Loki… being a trans woman. Hm.

In an earlier form “one brother isn’t ripped apart by another”, Loki’s sole son by Sigyn is killed by an unnamed áss.

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I really appreciated this one and can’t wait to see more. I guess the thirsty MC is right up my alley… :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:. As seems to be the case oddly frequently though I felt myself sympathising with those bandits you meet at the start… At least the ones besides Will. I suppose that was the point of giving some sort of backstory other than ‘because evil’. Well it worked. XD. I wanted to try to help them out a bit more after going to all the trouble of trying to convince them to avoid fighting, and sparing every one I could, though I suppose there isn’t a lot you realistically could do. At the very least I feel bad leaving them sprawled on their backs out in the blazing sun with their leader dead and nothing to show for it but injuries, and just as starving and hopeless as before. I suppose most of what you could do would involve a lot more writing and coding but one thing that probably wouldn’t wouldn’t (I assume with very little knowledge of coding) be the option to try to yell something bless hostile at the woman trying to steal your stupid horse, and/or an option to carry the unconscious over into the shade before leaving them, like you do if you manage to keep Will alive.

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Unfortunately happens with a good deal of the old myths (Celtic mythology went through that pretty strongly themselves). Though I think even the original myths also had tiny bits of their stories varied in some way.

I know many of the myths have. But I do sort of like the version of this, since pretty much all of Loki’s family suffers for his actions and it adds a good deal of fuel for Loki when he finally escapes during Ragnarok.

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You can already help them!

If you successfully reason with them, they will try their luck with The White Company. You don’t know if they’ll survive the journey, or if Tarek will ever be interested but hope is better than nothing.

If you successfully persuade them, you can make them see how dumb they are being. That this life is not for them, and the end won’t be any but a bloody one.

And if you successfully intimidate them, well… you spare them of Alessa’s knives and a hard fight with Hadrian and your MC.

All the others who choose to stay do so because they want to. And if your MC is merciful enough to spare them all, they live to see another day. They’re thankful enough for that.

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@Laguz @Okami-Nora Think we could rein in and chain down the Fenrir tangent before it devours this thread?

Personally I don’t think talking about your MCs is too bad, but the finer points of Norse mythology and the influence Christianity had on it towards the end are a bit far from this threads topic.

Thanks.

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Don’t really feel like we were talking that much about it. :sweat_smile: Regardless, I’m pretty sure that topic ended a good while ago.

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Thank you for making this demo. The alternate-history premise is fascinating and I love both Alessa and Hadrian. Billy’s growing on me - someday I shall tame that hell beast (or maybe trade him in for a better mount. We’ll see.) I did find one minor spelling error: “For a moment, Hadrian just stares at you. Then, almost all at once, air rushes through his lips as he chuckles. But it almost sound like he’s chocking instead.” It should be choking there instead.

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Hi, Quix!

I’m glad you liked the demo and thank you for spotting that typo! Could you maybe tell me exactly what part that is? What is your MC doing?

I cannot, for the life of me, remember writing that. :sweat_smile:

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A flirty male MC, when asking whether Hadrian would be defend his honor if the man offering him a drink meant trouble. It’s just after I met up with Hadrian/Alessa in the Leaping Lion after washing up. Does that help?

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It does! Thank you again :blush:

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Well yes, I’m aware of all that, but the ones who choose to stay clearly did so because they’re either stupider or more broken than the ones you successfully convince to leave. Either way they need more help if they’re going to have a good chance at long term survival… Sometimes you’re just so hopeless and desperate for some sort of sense if control or just a chance for survival that you need the humbling experience of getting knocked unconscious by a headbutt from a senile horse to gain the the perspective needed to listen to reason, you know? You have the option to talk to Garrett and help him further even though he stayed to fight.

And that’s more about if you actually had a talk with them after so thoroughly trouncing them but showing just how kind and merciful you actually we’re by taking pains to spare them even when they showed you no such quarter, not even getting into what just leaving them unconscious under direct sunlight for who knows how long would do to them.

Like, of course there are all sorts of things I’d ideally want to be able to do in that scenario that would add pages of extra work… And I don’t think it’s reasonable to even suggest that, but I’d love to be able to do a few small things to make it clear that I spared them with a purpose in mind. Not because I couldn’t stomach the thought of killing them, but because I genuinely valued their lives.

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I have a small list of things I want to add alongside the next big update according to feedback:

  • Add an option to politely, but firmly, refuse the drink of the tavern stranger.

  • Add the option to tell Alessa/Hadrian they don’t have to worry because you only have eyes for them.

  • Figure out how and where to put one extra same-sex romance start opportunity.

  • Add an option to tell Hadrian and Alessa about the Eye.

  • Rewrite the interactions with the strangers in the tavern.

  • And now, add an extra scene for if you have spared some/all (?) bandits and take them to a safer place.

My problem with this last one is not so much the extra words/coding I would have to do - it would be done in one afternoon at the most, so no problem there. The problem I have is more to do with the flow of the scene. A lot is happening, a lot of new information and exposition is being told to the reader, and I sincerely worry about overloading it.

So I can promise I’ll try, and if the scene fits, I’ll keep it. :blush:

Thank you for the suggestion and for taking the extra time to explain your reasoning!

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Instead of eyes, i think it should be “Heart” ? Because as an adventurer, we need to always keep our eyes open for everyone and everything … we shouldn’t solely focus our attention on our RO , but most importantly is where our heart lies…

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Tbf eyes isn’t entirely wrong either since it just figuratively speaking and like the saying goes you only have eyes for someone but heart isnt too bad either.

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You know, I really don’t know what to think of Vallen :thinking:. I can’t tell if she really does have a odd kind of earnestness to her or if the wariness that Hadrian and Alessa (and MC as well, since they seemed just as perplexed about how such a open face was giving away very little as she stared at them) express has some form of ground to it.

Did laugh at her ending comment though; I was not really expecting that and have no idea what make of it. :laughing:

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