Shattered Eagle: Fall of an Empire (WIP) [509k Words | Interlude Update 06/19/2025]

To be clear, what made Roman society possible above all else was administrative brilliance, internal peace, and also mass enslavement. 20% of the population being slaves with very little rights often working in horrendous conditions in fields and mines.

I have no problem with a game less-focused on the military. But that wouldn’t be what the emperor was generally focused on given the emperor’s role primarily being military. I also don’t love a policy focused game if it doesn’t get into how the sausage was actually made. It would feel like one of those antebellum stories.

Of course, I have confidence in the author given they are clearly well read and haven’t shied away from Roman savagery. It’s just if you pick Rome as the setting, that sausage is going to have a lot of blood in it, even when you focus on the “peaceful” aspects of the empire.

Based, lol

edit: Eh, I feel like being briefer.

  1. I agree with you about not wanting to romanticize or glamorize a historical setting based on the past. Life was pretty cheap back then and slavery was awful in all its incarnations. I wouldn’t want it to be torture porn though, for the sake of ‘realism.’

  2. Emperors didn’t take the field as much in late antiquity, but regardless – if the empress is focused on military matters (which she might be), all the more reason for her chief advisor to focus on governance and politics. Otherwise, someone else would step in and fill the void (like the Senate!).

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This is the intention, that throughout her reign the Empress has spent most of her time campaigning across the provinces, and the MC has often been left to administer the government in her absence.

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But now that she’s sick, wouldn’t he be unable to take care of tmiliyary matters as well?

Quite possibly, yes. We’ll see how things play out.

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Your honour, in light of recent allegations against my client, Julia Vitallia Hevernicus, Empress of Iudia and Regent of Gaia, I present to you the following conversation between a most distinguished Senator and Her Majesty’s Prefect, recorded during the latest assembly of the Iudian Senate.
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Jests aside, I wonder for how long has the Church of Gaia been around? From what I can gleam from the text, it does seem to be a pretty old religion. Was there something parallel to IRL Rome, where there was first polytheism and then was the adoption of Christianity? If so, where did the Goddess come from? The Shattered Eagle’s version of a Levant region? Or was it a naturally evolving religion around Kyro and then got exported with the ascension of the Republic-turned-Empire?

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This something Chapter II will touch on, but I’ll offer some basic context. When the Republic only had Iudia itself, six centuries ago, the Goddess was the primary deity among a pantheon of others the Iudians worshipped. This faith was still matriarchal, but it lacked centralization.

562 years ago, and this is the event which defines the Iudian calendar (AR = After Revelation), the priesthood claimed that Gaia revealed herself to them, granting divine knowledge and the secrets of sorcery. This caused the gradual reformation of the faith into a monotheistic, organized Church around Gaia herself, and led to the rapid expansion of the Republic (eventually Empire) over the ensuing several centuries.

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I actually love the fact that Julia is both an RO and a tyrant who orders cities burned and civilian populations systematically killed and/or enslaved. It’s something you don’t see very often to have a realistically ‘evil’ RO like that. Sure, sometimes you’ll romance the primary antagonist, or have ‘bad boy’ ROs with checkered pasts, but these characters are either redeemed in the end or presented as unflinchingly evil with no positive traits. Julia is much more like real monarchy (or modern tyrants, for that matter).

Julia is capable of inflicting massive cruelty, is an autocratic ruler, and obviously does many things we would consider morally wrong. But she’s also the woman who asks if we’re okay, who after well over a decade, still nearly blushes after we kiss her. She loves Augusta. She protects and she cherishes and she’s a human being. It’s very true to real Roman emperors, who even as they burn people at the stake, will love and relax and do all the human things. People aren’t one thing or the other, and to portray anyone, even genocidaires, as incapable of mercy, affection, and real relationships is to do a disservice to the human condition itself. I love that we have the option to romance a character who engages in such behavior and create our own moral compass in relation to her actions. It’s the essence of what interactive fiction should be.

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You’ve hit the nail on the head here. When I write characters, I try to remember each of them is a human. They have their virtues and flaws which may determine how selfless or callous they may be, but they had all childhoods once, the innocence and flush of youth. They have loves, dreams, hopes, and vulnerabilities. People like Julia existed in real life, all cruel autocratic tyrants who haunt the pages of history books, but they were just that. People.

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Leaving aside my work as an aspiring Meme Lord, I would like to add to the already fleshed out arguments with regards to the fact that Julia engages in what can be rightfully considered as evil.

Julia is a product of her time. The further you go back in history, the less the concept we recognise as “good” applies. Back then, massacres, wars and the like were expected of a ruler to preserve their realm. I would argue that because Iudia is such a large empire, that it must engage to a great degree in such actions to maintain itself. The reason why it lasted for so long and prospered, in my mind, is because it didn’t shy away from cruelty.

The very fact that Julia became Empress in the first place is because she was the perfect fit for the Empire. At a time when Iudia was in decline, with rebellions and intrigues amok, she came in and crushed the former, and stifled the latter. She succeeded because that’s what the job description for the Empress was. I would be shocked if her predecessors didn’t engage in similar actions —if they didn’t, I doubt they lived long on the throne.

To be a successful Empress of Iudia, an empire built on conquest, you must be ruthless. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have become Empress in the first place. If, for some reason, she were to stop being ruthless at any point during her reign, then I am fairly certain she would be assasinated. Being “nice” would just earn her a stab in the back.

If it wasn’t Julia Empress, then some other “Julia” would be. Someone still as ruthless. If there was no such “Julia”, then the Empire would become history.

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I think we have to be careful about saying that. Empire is not an innate moral virtue. And it would not necessarily be a moral negative for Iudia to disappear. As much as Rome is admired for its cultural hegemony and advances in science, technology, and the arts, we have to also remember it was an expansionist autocracy that sought to stretch its dominion over other peoples in part by violence. When that happens, or is even thought to be happening in the modern world, it is met with near-universal condemnation. See Ukraine, Gaza, or Iraq for modern examples.

And it’s not as if imperial cruelty was not commented on by Romans, either. Many Roman emperors were famous even to audiences of the time as especially cruel or domineering. Morality enforcing prohibitions against violence is not a modern construct. What I will agree with you on is that people hold leaders and their personal relationships to different standards. Would all the Romans of the time agree with their own parents or children burning people alive? I don’t think so. But far more were willing to accept the Empire doing so. I think part of the outrage against Julia is that for us, she is both.

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I apologise if my answer above seemed as me lending virtue to the concept of “empire”. I wished to convey that “empire”, and the process by which is created (which is not rainbow and sunshine), was perceived differently at the time.

Truth be told, I would’ve like to bring in Friedrich Nietzsche and the “Genealogy of Morals” here, but this is a forum about IFs, so I would rather not cause Sudden Sleep Syndrome. Wrote a whole section about it, but a rare bout of wisdom manifested in me and convinced me against it.

Basically, back then people didn’t consider things such as massacres, wars and the like as “Evil”, but merely bad. Bad, because they negatively affected their lives. But that’s about it. No one would’ve have said that this-or-that Empire couldn’t exist because it engaged in wars and all the atrocites associated with it. The “Empire” wasn’t a morally negative concept. It wasn’t Good either. It just was. It was the Good, the Bad and the Ugly (pun intended).

A large problem with our historical sources is that they were written by only those who were capable of writing, and those were 99% of the time the nobility, aka Senators and the like. And what they wrote was not unbiased. On the contrary, since they were such prideful people, they didn’t like being disrepected, whatever that meant in their minds. Relevant for us.

For example, Caligula is widely believed to be a madman, a cruel person etc. But quite a few recent scholars argue that Caligula was no such things, and that he merely didn’t like the Senate and didn’t give them the proper respect they thought they deserved. And so, given that said Senators wrote the history passed down to us, they smeared him. We have clear precedence for Roman aristocrats making stuff up in their works if it benefits them or their liege — just ask Livy and Vergil where did they find out that the Romans are related to Trojans?

On the other hand of the spectrum, we have the “great” Eastern Roman Emperor Marcian (450-457). Our surviving sources of the period (nobles) give him praises like he was the reincarnation of Augustus. But, truth be told, he was rather…meh?. But he was loved by the Senate in Constantinople, because he was himself a Senator, and so gave them special attention during his reign — how can you not love someone who gets rid of some of your taxes?

History is written by the victors, it is said. In this case, no one can deny that for most of human history the victors were the rich. Result: history is written by the rich. Lesson: be nice to them, or they will write mean things about you.

That is indeed true. But it is also true that such prohibitions were, if they existed, not a majority held belief in Antiquity. I can think of a truly ancient ruler in Mesopotamia, Gudea of Lagash (21st century BCE), who possesed something approaching what we would describe as “Goodness” — he still went to war, but still an anomaly of the period. But for every Gudea there were ten Nebuchadnezzar ( 6th century BCE Babylonian Exile guy). Or ten Naram-Sin (23rd century BCE Akkadian Emperor). Great conquerors, both of them, and consequently great murderers.

Caesar boasted about killing a million Gauls and enslaving another million, and the people of Rome ate that stuff up like it was cereal. He even most likely inflated those numbers just because he knew people would’ve loved even bigger numbers.

And since the setting of this IF is greatly modelled in what we could describe as Late Antiquity, it is safe to assume that the values of that period are reflected in its setting and characters. Case in point: Julia. Already extensive discussions about her, so I will not elaborate. Too many words already for a post. (sorry):skull_and_crossbones:

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I always find this funny because in hindsight when you look back on the “oh wow Caligula appointed his horse to the Senate, he was one crazy guy!” Was almost certainly more of an joke and insult at the Senate’s expense than him actually talking to his horse. Yet, you can see how it was twisted to make him seem just insane by his enemies.

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A very well-reasoned post. I think you’ve summed up the history quite nicely. I’d just like to leave the discussion with this. The oldest known complete sentence is in Egyptian hieroglyphs, dating from the Second Dynasty in the 28th century BC.

“He has united the Two Lands for his son, Dual King Peribsen.”

I’ve always been fascinated by that quote for what it represents. There are themes of political power, civilization, war, family loyalty, love, and even propaganda. (Did this ruler really unite Egypt out of pure concern for his son’s future?) I can hardly think of a better allegory for humanity and the human psyche as a whole.

These issues we debate here are very old impulses in the human soul, for better or worse.

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That’s a really fascinating quote, and it’s very relevant here. To lift the curtain here, the theme of this IF is power. I find writing with themes in mind is important to keeping my story designs straight, regardless of the medium.

Mainly two particular groups of themes, where does power truly lie, who actually has power? Is power a real, tangible thing, or does it only exist in our perception?

The second is how do the demands of power intersect with our human foibles? How do things such as love, pride, hatred, duty affect the desire for power and the sacrifices to gain and maintain it?

That’s just my little thought process anyway. I’ve already touched a great deal on these with what little is released so far.

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I’m not really into the magic stuff because i think this story work well without magic other than that the story is pretty good. Stay healthy and stay safe :+1:

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If you’re curious as to why I included sorcery, I would recommend trying out a Sorceress playthough. Already in Chapter I, you may find that there is more to it than meets the eye.

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What is the MCs family like? Will we get to see them anytime in the story?

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The MC hails from a well-off plebeian family in the Iudian countryside. As for whether their family will appear, I plan to have some references and small cameos down the line, but I’ve kept it fairly ambiguous thus far.

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