Shattered Eagle: Fall of an Empire (WIP) [489k words | Chapter VI Update 06/01/2025]

Well, it’s a matter of perspective. Julia would say that Titus is intent on undermining Augusta and weakening her sense of self, since Titus is ‘weak’, interacting with him increases Augusta’s Paragon stat, and otherwise makes her less likely to follow her mother’s example. On the other hand, Titus might say that we are robbing her of her childhood, destroying her natural passions in favor of what is best for the state, and shaping her into an Empress, which is a category of women with whom Titus has not had particularly pleasant interactions and who have quite literally destroyed themselves over the last half century or so. And given the history of the Imperial court, is Titus not right to suspect that we’re turning his family against him? We can actually do that with Augusta, should we so desire. He knows when we do, because it raises his anger statistic.

I don’t think Titus is a hero. He certainly has little desire to save Iudia or anything like that. He’s focused on one person, and not very good at doing so. He’s naive, gullible, petty and guileless. But in a game where every other character has some sort of ulterior motive and layered scheme to increase their own power, his only interest is in Augusta and Julia (the latter at least until he potentially accepts her lack of affection).

Sure, you could argue valuing his daughter’s superficial happiness instead of realizing her precarious position and working to ensure her survival is short-sighted. Refusing to work with potential allies due to decade old jealousies is more short-sighted. And being cajoled into destroying his daughter’s life over anger is the most short-sighted thing in this story so far. But he, in a naively genuine way, doesn’t mean any harm to, well, anyone. He think’s saving Augusta through all of his actions. He even plans to spare us and allow us to leave the city, and that’s more than I can say for what his wife would do. He’s more beneficent, albeit in a bumbling way, than Consentia, Antonius, Ceto, Leta, Darius, Julia, or potentially even Augusta herself in a Tyrant run. As we can remark in the game, perhaps it is best that he was not in the capital for so long, because someone so open and unguarded would not last very long.

That being said, how much you value his vaguely well-meaning genuineness versus his sheer incompetence is personal preference! His inability to accept the Prefect and grasp the situation at hand certainly makes him grating at times.

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To be very specific and clear, I mean the horrible consequence’s to Augusta’s psyche when Titus publicly reveals her bastardry. It’s this bit I refer to when I mean Augusta’s sense of self, it’s not paragon stuff. As you know, I take Augusta very strongly in the paragon direction too.

He’s a very tragic figure, especially to us a the omniscient readers. We know different outcomes. We know how things go if everyone reconciles. But the subjective experience of the MC is different, particularly on the Julia romance path. Certainly if you don’t take that extra step to reconcile — as far as the MC is concerned, he’s a vengeful absentee dilettante that represents everything wrong with the Galerian hereditary regime. He’s the kind puppy dog to Scilla’s more vicious brood, but still.

On the run where I married Julia, I made sure never to antagonize Titus. I picked polite, dutiful responses each time — and when I told him to consider Augusta before spilling all the secrets, he just yelled at me. In that universe, with the MC’s subjective knowledge: I completely understand why the MC would tell Julia of the threats he made to Augusta.

That MC doesn’t know what we know.

We might, except that’s not what Titus says when critiquing your education choices. He’s much more petty about it. He’s done nothing for Augusta but carps away at those who were there for her.

And Augusta can express that sentiment herself, too.

But anyway — like I said, he’s a tragic figure. He’s the sad product of a destructive system. He might’ve been happier as the idle child of a matrician house getting to delve into sculpture and the like. But instead he has to be a dynastic bargaining chip.

This is why Augusta, Consentia and I are going to tear down this dynastic nonsense and bring back the adoptive principate. Titus would’ve been happier under a more republican system. He wouldn’t have been just a cog in a monarchic succession plan.

:slight_smile:

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Cato the Elder moment. A most fitting end of an argument for the most ardent defender of the republic.

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Haha, thank you. Although for the record I don’t like Cato the Elder. I’m not a huge fan of city burning.

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If you’re just anyone in Iudia, bastardy is grounds for disinheritance if a court of law can be reasonably persuaded of the evidence. The truth is that it’s a fairly difficult charge to prove most of the time, which results in such accusations being more used as a publicly damaging allegation in family disputes and political mud slinging alike. Being alleged to be a bastard carries social stigma and such children are sometimes stereotyped as being fruits of sin.

One factor involved here is that abortifacient brews are the most common sorcerous potion available to the public and used widely among the well-to-do sections of Iudian society, such as the matrician class and wealthy plebians who can afford to access such potions. As a result, those bastardies which can be proven or at least those allegations which seem reasonable are all the more scandalous due to the means by which they could be prevented. It’s something that even Julia makes use of in the route where a Prefect that could have a child with her does not.

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Many Empresses and powerful women in Iudia have had affairs and paramours despite their marriages, but Julia (conditionally) quite shockingly broke with tradition in having her own heir (and sole child) be born of another deliberately and depending on the Prefect, not all that subtly. She did it out of spite and hatred towards the Galerii, but the consequences of such an action may come home to roost…

Now, as for that suggestion, it would entail admitting she was never legitimate to begin with. However much it might be whispered by the public, the word of the imperial office carries weight. Would Augusta wish to abandon that, even if only a fig leaf remains?

This is what I was going for. I worked to create a very human character with Titus, someone who is not particularly gifted, quite flawed, but is driven by his earnestly felt emotions, however misguided. In some routes he causes great harm, and in others he can be a great help. It’s up to the reader to form their own interpretation and decide how they wish to approach his character.

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Yeah, that’s… tough. I was at 75% illegitimacy even without doing foolish things like referencing a daughter in conversation, so I suppose it was JUST through her appearance and hugging. So it was labeled as an “open secret” even before I revealed the truth to Augusta. But if it’s just a fig leaf too – how protective is that really? Or is it just posturing? I almost wonder if it’s ripping off a band-aid, especially once we learn (which we don’t know yet in-character) that Victoria is out there waving the Galerian flag.

Especially if bastardy is as damaging in Iudian culture as all that, doing a repair-adoption to try to make her a legitimate child of the prefect and the empress might be more beneficial than someone who everyone essentially knows is actually illegitimate? IDK.

I am of course also biased in that I want my MC to be able to yell the truth from the mountaintops and have her acknowledged as his daughter, haha. That might not be the most sensible thing politically. Julia keeps saying that I’m making Augusta too sentimental – well, I guess like father like daughter. :sweat_smile:

I mean, judging by the conversations we had about Titus just now I think you definitely achieved your goal – he’s a complex character subject to multiple interpretations, and I think all of us agree that he is very, very human.

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Hm, if you didn’t have the Titus reveal or do anything else that might provoke suspicion, I don’t know why. I don’t think it’s possible under what I’m looking at to raise it that high off appearance and one decision alone. Odd? I’ll go back and look through to see if any variables need adjustment.

Edit: oh, did you marry Julia in that run? It increases suspicion by quite a bit, but I’ve adjusted that down (though still a sizable growth).

It’s certainly a risk. Especially considering the events of Chapter V, it may be difficult to pull that off even if Augusta assents to it.

I think I can do that, at least in the Chapter IV conversation should he be persuaded to stay or reconciled with.

There is precedent for Empresses marrying women, albeit thin. Let’s see how events unfold in the fullness of time.

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I had been wondering what possible other marriages there might be and it does seem a peaceful way out of the civil war… Plus I think they know each other if I understood the library scene. So I guess we will see…

Yup – I think it was 49 or 50 suspicion before I married Julia? It was reaaally close, I was trying to stay under 50% so I kept my yap shut most of the time (on previous runs I’d have the prefect slip and speak of having a daughter both times it came up). Telling Augusta doesn’t increase suspicion, right? Since it’s a private conversation?

Yeah, it’s a heck of a thing to try to pull off in the middle of a civil war. I just think it’s a sideways way to attack the legitimacy problem: if the risk to you is not having Galerian blood and your main rival has Galerian blood, then attack the basis of the Galerian blood mattering at all. Go back to earlier Iudian imperial traditions, esp. if you have the Senate on side. Otherwise I figure Augusta just has this weakness that Victoria can exploit at any point – and it’s not like Augusta can un-bastardize herself through any other means than adoption.

But I see what you mean about it being a risk and difficult to pull off. There’s just not much else the characters can do if bastardy suspicion is high, I suppose. With the numbers tweaked maybe it’ll be a bit better – because I was being discreet aside from the hugging and physical appearance, and the marriage ofc.

On the other hand, I do think it’s really sweet if the MC just refers to his daughter unthinkingly in conversations. It’s a fun run to do, even if it makes suspicion very high. I imagine there are consequences to that. I just hope Augusta can actually come to terms with it and accept who she is.

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It would be a really fun way to resolve things.

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I’m working on fiddling with the variables a bit. Of course, there are means by which to reduce suspicion, such as publicly avoiding Augusta (or refusing to raise her) or reconciling with Titus, who then goes on to publicly affirm Augusta’s heritage. Generally speaking, acting as a parent to Augusta does raise suspicions, while acting colder to her decreases them. Still, I might be a bit more modest with the increases going back into it.

As for what the characters can do, we’ll be seeing a few different ways to address Augusta’s parentage becoming public knowledge (or used against her) in the coming chapters.

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Ya although I have concerns about the governance arrangement because I feel like Victoria might not want to just be a consort…

It would be interesting, but political marriages haven’t worked out spectacularly for the Empire so far. If Not!Caesar and Not!Cleopatra follow their historic influences, the reason that was remotely successful could potentially be due to their romantic feelings. Augusta and Victoria don’t yet have that connection, it seems rather unlikely to spontaneously develop, and the political interests are at odds.

It might be a possible solution to the crisis, but it risks duplicating Julia’s marriage, with the exception that Victoria is a far better political operator than Titus. That could be a dangerous combination. My Prefect, seeing Julia’s relationship with Titus and myself, most likely wants Augusta to not have to marry for political reasons and instead be able to follow her heart.

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No way in hell am I going to have precious Augusta be married to some Marius/Victoria/whoever unless she wants it.

Besides, Iudia needs a functional imperial family for once. A loving, stable family can do wonders for the mental well-being of the ruler. For the opposite result look no further than the Galerii.

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Thanks!

Oooo. Excellent, very much looking forward to that. It’s a risky approach but I hope to see what we can do with it.

So I specifically am interested in this option because I don’t see it as a purely political marriage. Here’s what’s governing my thoughts:

If you’ve raised Augusta as a paragon and you suggest in the library that the two girls might get along, the following dialogue ensues:

Augusta considers your words for a moment, and then stands with a smile on her face towards Diana. “I see no reason why not. Perhaps we might get to…know each other better, cousin?” She asks with a hint of hope in her eyes. Has the heiress found a liking to the other girl, or is she merely comporting herself as polite as her station demands?

Something about Augusta’s smile unsettles Diana, however, and she takes an instinctual step back. “I…no.” She settles on eventually as if trying to find a reason to refuse. “I have my own demands from father. Even if grand-” She mutters before falling silent, an uncomfortable expression on her face, almost as if she believes she said something imprudent.

An air of discomfort falls between the three of you, only broken by the distant footsteps of a scribe. Diana appears to take it as her cue to speak up once more. “I did not mean to interrupt your studies, Your Highness. I’ll take my leave from here. One day, though, look for me on the battlefield. You’ll find victory.” With that, she makes her exit from the library, almost as quick as she came, to Augusta’s disappointment.

I am fairly positive there’s chemistry there. Augusta despises Marius but she seems positively intrigued by “Diana,” and it’s enough to even unsettle Diana. I definitely think there’s potential that Augusta would actually want this.

Because remember – if Titus outs Augusta, it’s Augusta who is forced into a loveless political marriage with Marius and she absolutely hates it. It’s a miserable outcome. But I think Augusta would actually be interested in Diana/Victoria, per the above.

See above – and note that if Titus outs her, you don’t get a choice about betrothal to Marius. It’s awful. But I think she may have a bit of a crush on Diana/Victoria. That’s what made me pick up on this line of thought.

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My idealistic dutiful run is turning out much worse than my ambitious schemer run

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Also [Death and Taxes] seemed far less useful than [veteran]

I’ve actually found death and taxes/the tax collector run in general to be the best. City Watch is a close second, quartermaster is dead last

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I think death and taxes is very useful in sorting out the fundamental issues with the empire, you seem able to economically half it’s decline. Veteran might be more useful once fighting happens and this staying alive and keeping Augusta in power it might be better, but also you are more limited in actually arresting the declining and improving the empire in the long term.

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I’m talking purely mechanically. Every time I could use [death and taxes] I had other options which got the job done. Veteran got me more exclusive options to work with

If D&T makes other economic choices better, fine, but it didn’t seem that impactful

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Sic semper tyrannis run. Killed Julia and the heir in battle.

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