Now Im double thinking myself lol. I thouuught there was? Or maybe Im just dreaming it all up. I swear I saw Amy mention a previous singer for SV a long time ago. Also Avina made it sound like they were on the look out for a replacement and found Sev. hmmm
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There was! Not in the demo or the POVs, but there’s mention of a previous lead singer in one of the Q&A sessions.
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Aha! Thank you for clearing that up. I’m not crazy after all.
Ahhh I wanna know what happened in that pov that shook people up so much! Annoyed that I can’t afford patreon, though it’s very reasonable pricing, as all spare money going on vacation/bills/life haha.
Don’t get me wrong I DONT want anybody to spoil it as it’s not fair on Amy. I just feel out of the loop abit lol.
I’m looking forward to when Avina starts showing their true colours in the actual story though. Like when their mask slips. Will be very interesting to see how Seven reacts 
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honestly i don’t see avinas niceness as a mask bc i know people like them, people pleasers lol. I think they genuinely are a friendly and kind person it’s just that 7…….brings out the worst in them LOL. not to say 7 is all to blame, avina needs to work through the constant need to be liked and praised, especially by 7 who they are infatuated with. Since they’re only a side character though i wonder if we will actually see any growth from them or if a 7/mc reconciliation will end in avina being cut off.
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Hmmm idk. Seven has already defended the MC’s band of the cheating allegations so I don’t think it’s too farfetched to assume that Seven will not at all like what Avina has to say about the MC. Even though Seven really is trying their best to hate MC, they still care too much (obviously). I don’t think they’d let Avina fly for being an MC hater. But that’s just my opinion
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I agree with you. My guess - if the MC reconciles with Seven in some way - is that Avina gets confused, panics, and then lashes out at Seven and/or the MC (maybe even while cameras are rolling). Maybe they take it too far and touch on some of the MC’s personal shit Seven would consider off-limits (potentially even catching Seven in the crossfire). There are a lot of ways Avina can make themselves look very bad.
I don’t agree with the general take some of us have that they are “unhinged” but they’re very invested in this friendship with Seven and are aware that MC is closer to Seven in ways they only wish they were, and I think it brings out the worst in them.
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Without giving too much away, there’s also a moment in a recent Patreon Q&A where Avina comments on the MC/Seven thing quite negatively and assuredly and Seven seems genuinely taken aback by it before they question it. These Q&As aren’t canon, but they are in character. I think Seven is too in their head about both MC and placating Avina so they don’t also leave to really notice how deep A’s feelings run re: MC, MCxSeven
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I’m still not convinced Amy isn’t trying to portray Avina as a saint, given things she’s said on tumblr. She keeps stressing that Avina knows only half of the story, like that is some kind of defense for this kind of behavior. Personally, I think Avina is a whackadoodle, and kind of evil given how much they want to control Seven and completely erase Seven’s history. Not to mention that psycho smile anytime someone says Seven is where they belong. But I don’t think we’re supposed to think that.
Yep. I think the worst we’ll actually see from Avina is them calling the MC out for hurting poor Seven, and telling them how horrible they are and to stay away from Seven. If the MC dares to admit they still care about Seven, I could see Avina will go apeshit and tell them it’s over, not letting Seven talk at all. Seven will go along with it for a while, I’m sure, because they know Avina is actually “loyal” to them.
I doubt it’ll be brought up at all. Even if it was, I can’t see Amy writing Avina as some kind of villain in it. It’d totally be the other person’s fault.
See above. And I don’t think it’s really a mask. Avina plays all meek and mild, only thinking vile things about the MC because they think the MC is the devil for hurting Seven. I think some of those things may get said out loud, and I don’t think Seven will blink an eye. At least, not for a while yet. Depends on how far Avina goes while shit talking the MC, I imagine. It’d take a lot to get Seven to actually tell St. Avina to shut the fuck up.
That was amusing, actually, but Seven didn’t argue about it. And I doubt they will argue no matter how vitriolic Avina gets. If anything, I figure what may trigger a realization in Seven is if they make a decision to talk to the MC only to have Avina outright forbidding it and blocking their way to keep them from doing it. It’s going to take a ton of bricks to hit Seven before they realize Avina not only thinks they have a right to control Seven, but also does it with all the “pspspspsps” mean girl (gender neutral) bullshit.
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I don’t see it as a “defense” of their behaviour, but Amy typically responds to assumptions or assertions on her characters with some kind of reminder of the context that these things are happening in, which I think it fair. She has stated time and time again that, despite that, you are still allowed, and encouraged, to feel whatever way you do about the characters
Multiple things can be true at once though - Aviva does only know half of the story, their thought processes are concerning, they feed into Seven’s issues and impose their own thoughts onto them, and Seven feeds into Avina’s issues, they welcome their behaviour because it convinces them that A isn’t going to leave.
Eh, I wouldn’t really expect them to in that situation (with the small audience and cameras and all). But Seven is an emotional and easily agitated character, so I don’t have any reason to believe that they’d continue to tolerate that kind of stuff, especially if you pursue them
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Ha, yeah I doubt it’ll be a thing that comes up and the vacant spot was just a device for Seven’s in with the band and nothing more. Was just kinda mulling it around after seeing Avinas… dynamic a bit more with Pope and Kieran. But I am kind of curious about SV’s history before Seven joined. Also I was thinking less outright villain status and more maybe some tense friction? disagreement? Probably doesn’t matter though.
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I have a theory that A scared the first singer off from SV (mostly because A was too noisy and too clingy) 
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I don’t really get the constant vitriol towards Avina tbh. Isn’t it more interesting to observe complex characters, even if they are a bit canonically messed up? They obviously have some possessive issues/jealousy/enabling/whatever you want to call it… but it also what makes them so fun! It’s more realistic and believable. I don’t think they are meant to be this evil crazy psycho yandere with nothing else going on inside their head because that’s just bad writing and Amy is not a bad writer. I also think if they were perfectly understanding, sympathetic, and meek, the dynamic between Avina/Seven/MC would be boring and it would fail to highlight some themes (like how the codependency thing 2.0 shows Seven’s hypocrisy or how Avina’s comments force Seven to reflect on their relationship with MC etc etc). It’s actually a good thing that characters outside of the main cast, so to speak, are getting fleshed out more. I personally am looking forward to more interactions with them because they are so messy it’s delicious. Maybe I am just drama enjoyer lol
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LOL some people like 'em and some not, I’m sceptic about A and until we see more of the story I won’t like A.
I’m not a hater, only an unliker of them
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Ehh…tbh that’s the point of writing complex characters? Just like how certain people don’t get along with some, not all of us are going to like every single character in the story. Everyone likes the way amy writes which is why we are here. Why else would we be wasting our time actively participating in the discussion if we didn’t like it?
I think it should be okay to dislike a character just like how it is okay to like one. Thankfully, amy understands that.
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Never said you can’t dislike the character, just that I kinda don’t get it (so far anyway)
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A character being complex doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to be beloved, especially if they fall in a certain category, but in a general way I think most people would agree with the sentiment.
Although I really, really don’t think Avina falls into complex character territory. Their flavor of “morally grey” (if you can even call it that) is very flat imo. Maybe I would have liked them more if their character wasn’t (again, imo) just a drama bait for whoever wants to reconnect with Seven, be it romantically or platonically. A character needs to be more involved with the story as a whole (and yes, I know we’re in the early game still) to be called both complex and interesting in my book, but obviously no hate for people who enjoy Avina’s shenanigans! Just not my cup of tea.
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I always thought that Avina’s character was meant to be something that MC wasn’t. The kind of solidarity and protectiveness Avina shows towards Seven is something I feel Seven would have wanted MC to show. I think Avina is supposed to showcase what MC potentially but not necessarily could have been like if they acted the way Seven expected them to.
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I like this take and I could see this!
Avina may not serve much of a huge purpose in Seven’s arc beyond maybe being a sort of external representation of the part of Seven that tries to “hate” the MC so they don’t get sucked back into that relationship (romantic or not). The more Seven grows closer to the MC, the more Avina will pull them in the other direction. Like it’s externalizing Seven’s codependent tendencies and inner conflict over MC. Avina could really work as a static character, whose codependency and/or opinion of the MC never really changes and highlights Seven’s growth (if it happens). That is a totally acceptable role for this character to play.
I’m interested to see if Avina and Blake are good “love to hate” characters in the end. I love a good, hateable character (I find badly written hateable characters just irritating, so I get that if Avina or whoever doesn’t hit that mark for someone personally, they aren’t going to be a lot of fun to interact with).
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I think this is a really interesting idea to think about, tying into the earlier discussion of happy endings that don’t fit conventional standards. If Avina is meant to never change their mindset from Mc, I don’t see their relationship with Seven lasting very long, which puts the future of SV in doubt. It will be interesting to see how the dynamics change or completely break off. The angst of other characters, including Mc is juicy.
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