I also think straight good/bad morals in video games rarely translates well, because no one is an absolute goody two shoes or outright sadistic evil type in real life. Sometimes I think of the Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic system in regards to good, bad and evil. Maybe more games should utilize that?
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Old Bioware games used that and they had to simplified it, casuals complaint about it really hard. âSo much complex, I donât understand it⌠Why I have to choose so much? I donât want to spend an hour in the character creationâ So games begin to be simple, and with them the good and evil simplicity. My Guen, is not evil she does all not for herself. She really made all for Ingland. She didnât want be the emperor. She wants a peaceful place where commoners could live without fear of being slaughter for rebel barons or other country forces. Or being famine. She is more like Hippie that she wants to recognize. However, she thinks that the way to achieve her goals is through strong position, and ruthless cunning maneuvers. That makes Poison queen evil? Not in my book. I have tons of more evil characters .
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True, but weâre talking about Guenâs ultimate goal, not how she chooses to get there. She can choose being a good queen as her goal and then achieve it by manipulating everyone around her. I may be interpreting this wrong, but when we were given power as one of Guenâs goals, I thought it meant seeking power for the sake of power. As Arthur said, power can be used to help people. Guen can cultivate power so she can help people. Or she could cultivate power because she likes being powerful. Doing so doesnât make her evil, just darker and more self-centered. In which case, a âdarkâ unicorn may be drawn to her. (I never said the word "evil in my original post. 
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I donât like the whole pigeon-holing system. Players are often punished for straying from an established pattern, or failing to form a pattern at all. Take Mass Effect, for example. If you try to find a happy medium betweem Renegade and Paragon, you canât access the more powerful persuasion options. And if you want your character to go through some character development, becoming more Paragon/Renegade over time, you suffer the same problem. To be honest, Iâd prefer if games only tracked individual choices instead of assigning a morality score.
Edit: Wait, now Iâm confused. Was I arguing for the opposite thing in the previous post? Ugh I need sleep.
I see Arthur becoming more possessive with guen. Thatâs the only way Arthur would surprise me. Because he seems so laidback and forgiving it would be different to see him acting the complete opposite after he finds out about guen and lance while guen is still in a romantic relationship with him. But then again Arthurâs personality goes in so many different directions itâs difficult to predict his actions.
Why canât Guen be a good person and ambitious? Iâve played so many times that I have multiple âGuensâ I like to play around with, but my girls typically are light magic practitioners with a background in leadership. My favorite one though, while sheâs known for being kind, is ambitious and manipulates Arthur for her own means. Who likes character that are totally black or white anyway? Jean has done a great job making all the main characters in this series at least a little gray. 
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Wow this seems begining of that Warhammer post wawe in cataphrak thread about year ago except about morality. 
Are unicorns fae animals?
If so, can we kill it and use/sell its parts? Meligauntâs words regarding his intent with [pet name] just flashed through my mind.
Also, although the Ruthless Ambitious Guen has no idea how to do a dark magic spell, she could just sell it, or give it to Morgana.
Now that I think about it, what would happen if a human ate a fae animal?
Wow.
âOh, look, a legendary unicorn! Iâm gonna kill it and wear its mane like a scarf!â
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I donât want to interrupt but I know people sometimes share backgrounds or prequels for their main Guens. I love Arthurian legend, and @jeantown has written such an inspiring version, that I wrote a small one shot story that was sort of a prequel to my favorite Guen. I wanted to put in on here and dedicate it to you @jeantown, because youâre such an amazing writer.
The Healer Queen and Poet Knight
With eyes as blue as the sea and hair of fair gold, Princess Guenevere was the only child the Goddess saw fit to bless King Leodgrance and Queen Alyse of Cornwall with. Guen had a tender soul like her mother that shined through from a young age. People werenât surprised to see the little girl always by Queen Alyseâs side, learning the arts of light magic. With a helping heart she exhibited great talent in it.
Underneath the gentle soul and kind spirit, though, Guen possessed the sharp wit and terrible stubbornness of her father. Little Guen seemed a sweet and timid child on the surface, but if she did not want to do something, she could become a terrible nightmare, and her nanny had an extremely hard time keeping the little princess inside to learn her lessons in courtesy and reading. Guen loved the land of Cornwall fiercely, and her favorite pastime was sneaking away from the castle to wander the beautiful gardens, hills, and village nearby. She thought the landscape a lovely adventure, the animals magical beasts, and her future subjects interesting. Everything in her small world was wonderful and exciting and she wanted to experience it all first hand.
It was on one of her many illicit excursions outside the castle that Guen met someone who would change her life forever, a young squire named Tristan. A quite young man, five years older than her, the 11 year old squire caught the 6 year old princess trying to sneak out through the stables. Feeling the duty to protect her, he immediately reported her to his knightly master who promptly took her back to her nanny. She yelled at the squire, making him feel incredibly guilty. For a week, he followed her around, trying to apologize, but the stubborn princess refused, insulting the devoted squire at every turn. Not one to give up though, he eventually wore her down, and that day he swore an oath of loyalty to her, promising to be her most loyal friend, never to tattle on her again, and her most loyal knight and champion when she became queen.
The two became inseparable friends after that. Despite their difference in age, and he being a serious warrior and she a gentle healer on the surface, at heart both were scholarly and smart. They shared a secret side that few others knew, two intellectuals that hungered for knowledge. Theyâd ride away from the castle together some afternoons to a secret clearing in the woods and discuss matters of philosophy, poetry, mathematics, and the higher mysteries of magic. Their shared passions drew them together as they grew. The young princess, though not brimming with confidence at first, blossomed into a promising queen to be with support from Tristan, and he became known as a silver tounged poet in the Cornish court, as well as a strong knight, with Guenâs patronage.
Guen lost herself when her mother died when she was 12, but with Tristanâs encouragement, she began spending a great deal of time her father in his war councils and court meetings, and soon discovered a passion for politics and strategy. He helped her find new purpose.
When she was 15 and he 20, something changed between Tristan and Guen once again. The evening after her 15th birthday, they rode out to their secret clearing and Tirstan presented Guen with a puppy from his saddle bag, and then a poem heâd written about her. Guen laughed at the new pup and named him Brenin and was moved to tears by the verse because in it Tristan confessed his devotion to her and love. They kissed that night.
Over the next two years, they continued to share their love of knowledge and their quiet romance grew stronger. Tristan grew to became a great hero in Cornwall, emboldened by the Princess, and Guen grew stronger as queen to be, encouraged by her knight.
On a spring day when Guen was 17, Tristan asked Guen for permission to ask her Father for her hand. Guen wanted a future as an independent Queen of Cornwall , with no husband king ruling over her and lands, but a husband knight by her side, helping her govern and leading their troops after they planned battles together. After she happily accepted and they kissed a fair bit, they set back to the castle to talk King Leodragrance. When they arrived however, Guen was summoned to her fatherâs council chambers alone. Ser Kay of the Wildefort had come as representative of his foster son, High King Arthur, to seek a marriage alliance with Cornwall. Leodegrance wanted his daughter to observe the discussions.
She sat sick and withdrawn through the first day of negotiations, and that evening had a bitter fight with her father. She told him of Tristanâs request and her dream ruling Cornwall in her own right as Queen, of her love for Tristan. Her father had always thought his faithful young knight a good friend to his daughter, and was shocked to hear of the secret romance. Though gentle, he firmly refused the request, saying an alliance with Camelot would set Cornwall above all the other petty kingdoms and took precedent over any personal affections Guen might have. Guen refused to listen to her fatherâs reasoning, so he sharply dismissed his daughter to her chambers and summoned young Ser Tristan. Guen didnât know what they discussed that night, but hoped Tristan would use his silver tounge to make her father see reason, sending away Ser Kay and approving their betrothal.
Instead, the next day, Tristan came to Guen and told her could no longer meet her and he withdrew his proposal. Ever the loyal and dutiful knight, he did not want Guen to pass up on such alliance that could ensure the peace and prosperity of their homeland for generations to come just for one knight and her own power. âI have heard stories of the high king, Guen. He believes in the same world we do, and you will not only get to guide Cornwall but all of Britain. He will be fair and let you rule with him, I believe it,â Tristan said.
He would not let his love for Guen get in the way of a bright future for Cornwall and this great honor for his princess. After a long day of agonising arguing and pleading, he made Guen see she needed to go do her duty. He told her would stay in Cornwall to defend their homeland, but she must go to Camelot for all of Britain, and that any sort of contact between them had to immediately end. He loved her too much and other wise would never be able to let her go. With a heavy heart and tears in her eyes, Guen agreed if he granted her one thing.
They snuck back to their clearing once more in the dead of night and they laid together. She gave her honor to him. They came back before dawn and that afternoon, it was announced that the Princess Guenevere would marry King Arthur the next year. She and Tristan didnât go back to clearing again, did not speak again, until the day of her departure for Camelot. She came to him to give him her loyal dog, Brenin, the beloved pup he had given her when she was 15.
For the first time in a year, he looked at her with emotion, a great sadness. âI gave him to you as gift Guen. Heâs yours. You canât leave him.â
She looked at him sadly as well. âHe was always ours. And you said I have to leave you completely behind for th sake of Cornwall and Britian. Heâll remind me too much of you. I want you to keep him, to remember me. I love both of you, but we all need to do our duty.â
She left her kingdom with a strong mask covering her great greif for lost love and broken dreams and fear of an uncertain future. She arrived in Camelot a week later, the day of her wedding to a stranger. At the gates of the keep, she met the kingâs sister, Lady Morgana. As she was ushered to a outside dressing pavilion to prepare for the ceremony, the sorceressâs kindness did little to ease her pain but was a comfort. Then Morgana did something that changed everything. Something that would give Guen the tiniest bit hope in the face of her miserable resolve to duty.
âI have a gift for you.â
Morganaâs two boys stumbled into Guenâs dressing pavilion with a fae puppy they had brought up from the castle, one that looked exactly like Brenin. Had the sorceress somehow found out Guen had a dog? Had she somehow known about her and Tristan? She looked into the royal ladyâs dark fae-lit eyes, but saw no hidden meaning, just sympathetic kindness. The puppy immediately responded to her, just as wonderful as her and Tristanâs little Brenin had been. When Moragnaâs sons asked her what she was going to name the little dog, she only had one answer.
âTristan.â
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Iâm not saying wear it, but-
Huh, now that I think about it, if wearing fae stuff means boosts in certain abilities, then I suppose the Ruthless Ambitious Guen could use a boost.
@Jeantown, could wearing fae stuff give boosts to Guenâs abilities?
And thank you @OtherGrimm for making me that of that.
Unicorn steaks, hint of magic and garlic. Nothing taste better.
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@OtherGrimm Itâs the height of fashion in France/Gaul.
Well, to answer our earlier question, we now know what would qualify a Guen as âevil.â 
@Lordirish Also a French/Gaulish delicacy.
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Maybe killing a unicorn would make Guen superevil?
Her Royal Majesty, Queen Guenevere of Britain the Evil Queen?
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Queen Guenevere, Slayer of Saxon Warlords and Unicorns Alike. 
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Maybe Guen and Meligaunt could team up and create Britainâs first black market.
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Then lets hope Arthur takes Meligaunt prisoner.
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Iâm hoping we can get his sword even if Guen doesnât go there or sends Lance. Itâs unlikely considering Arthur would be inclined to destroy it, right?
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That would be something to see!
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