Consolidated AI Thread: A Discussion For Everything AI

For the love of everything, I am begging specifically novice writers not to do this. No disrespect meant, but unless you have a firm foundation in what your own voice sounds like, how you write, how you construct a sentence, how you utilize language, etc, then all this does is teach you to sound like the polite, averaged-out amalgam of whatever happens to have been fed into a given model.

This is totally outside anything moral, philosophical, ethical: if you’re starting out and you don’t know your own voice, this is an exceptional way to kill your voice. It’s the same reason I don’t recommend novice writers go at critique alone. Yes, you have to take a punch at some point, but it’s always good to have someone who you trust, and who cares about you to some extent, on your side to soften the blow of any critique you might get. Even if you asked for it, and whether or not it comes from a computer or some rando at a writing conference.

If you’re a more experienced writer? I don’t think the same risks apply. But for a newbie, this is a good way to sanitize yourself out of your own work.

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I’d like to add that this is especially unnecessary if you’re already working with an editor. A good editor will be sensitive to these exact issues, and know when these truisms apply and when they don’t, and they’ll be able to suggest specific improvements in a way that’s consistent with your unique voice and intended tone.

P.S. “Every sentence in fiction should either forward the plot or reveal character” is a paraphrase of an item on Kurt Vonnegut’s list of advice specifically for writing short stories. Vonnegut himself ended the list by pointing out that great writers break most of the rules on his list all the time, and their work is better for it. And while it’s a decent rule of thumb if you’re writing a short story, it’s a pretty terrible one if you’re writing a novel.

P.P.S. An AI wouldn’t know that. An editor would.

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Semantics of whether an AI can “know” anything aside, you can literally get that from an AI if you ask it. The context is important, if you tell it to apply the rule without greater context, it’s very likely to miss the nuance, because it tries to do what you ask it to do, not necessarily educate you against your preconceptions, though it can do that from time to time too.

None of this is meant to argue against your overall points though, and in fact is meant to support them.

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Regarding copyright, that’s very much not a settled issue right now and is being still determine is court in US at least, I think in Japan it’s already determined that it’s not a violation. So for now, that’s just your personal opinion and not a fact.

Same thing for compensation, if it’s fair use then there’s not really any need to give artists compensations.

Just a reminder to you all: different countries have different copyright laws, so someting that’s legal in one country isn’t necessarily so in another. (In Finland, for example, using images without author’s permission is allowed only in articles and the like where the work in question is being discussed, and privately.)

(The scrapers also regularly DDoS servers, don’t follow bot rules, disregard licenses, and lie about their identities.)

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It doesn’t matters whether it’s “fair use” or not, morally speaking it’s clearly threatening people’s jobs and even lives.

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If something threatening people’s lives falls under fair use (I’m not sure what is fair use, apart from letting the audience know which work is being discussed and sharing ads and the like - we don’t have that, legally speaking, unless that’s changed after I last checked, as far as I know but I’m not a lawyer) someone should change some definitions, because that’s hardly fair.

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John Philip Sousa, “The Menace of Mechanical Music,” 1906

SWEEPING across the country with the speed of a transient fashion in slang or Panama hats, political war cries or popular novels, comes now the mechanical device to sing for us a song or play for us a piano, in substitute for human skill, intelligence, and soul. Only by harking back to the day of the roller skate or the bicycle craze, when sports of admitted utility ran to extravagance and virtual madness, can we find a parallel to the way in which these ingenious instruments have invaded every community in the land…

…I foresee a marked deterioration in American music and musical taste, an interruption in the musical development of the country, and a host of other injuries to music in its artistic manifestations, by virtue – or rather by vice – of the multiplication of the various music-reproducing machines. When I add to this that I myself and every other popular composer are victims of a serious infringement on our clear moral rights in our own work, I but offer a second reason why the facts and conditions should be made clear to everyone, alike in the interest of musical art and of fair play.

It cannot be denied that the owners and inventors have shown wonderful aggressiveness and ingenuity in developing and exploiting these remarkable devices. Their mechanism has been steadily and marvelously improved, and they have come into very extensive use. And it must be admitted that where families lack time or inclination to acquire musical technic, and to hear public performances, the best of these machines supply a certain amount of satisfaction and pleasure.

But heretofore, the whole course of music, from its first day to this, has been along the line of making it the expression of soul states; in other words, of pouring into it soul…

…And now, in this the twentieth century, come these talking and playing machines, and offer again to reduce the expression of music to a mathematical system of megaphones, wheels, cogs, disks, cylinders, and all manner of revolving things, which are as like real art as the marble statue of Eve is like her beautiful, living, breathing daughters…

…It is the living, breathing example alone that is valuable to the student and can set into motion his creative and performing abilities. The ingenuity of a phonograph’s mechanism may incite the inventive genius to its improvement, but I could not imagine that a performance by it would ever inspire embryotic Mendelssohns, Beethovens, Mozarts, and Wagners to the acquirement of technical skill, or to the grasp of human possibilities in the art…

…Step by step through the centuries, working in an atmosphere almost wholly monopolized by commercial pursuit, America has advanced art to such a degree that to-day she is the Mecca toward which journey the artists of all nations. Musical enterprises are given financial support here as nowhere else in the universe, while our appreciation of music is bounded only by our geographical limits…

Right here is the menace in machine-made music! The first rift in the lute has appeared. The cheaper of these instruments of the home are no longer being purchased as formerly, and all because the automatic music devices are usurping their places.

And what is the result? The child becomes indifferent to practice, for when music can be heard in the homes without the labor of study and close application, and without the slow process of acquiring a technic, it will be simply a question of time when the amateur disappears entirely, and with him a host of vocal and instrumental teachers, who will be without field or calling…

…Under such conditions the tide of amateurism cannot but recede, until there will be left only the mechanical device and the professional executant. Singing will no longer be a fine accomplishment; vocal exercises, so important a factor in the curriculum of physical culture, will be out of vogue!

Then what of the national throat? Will it not weaken? What of the national chest? Will it not shrink?

When a mother can turn on the phonograph with the same ease that she applies to the electric light, will she croon her baby to slumber with sweet lullabys, or will the infant be put to sleep by machinery? …

…Music teaches all that is beautiful in this world. Let us not hamper it with a machine that tells the story day by day, without variation, without soul, barren of the joy, the passion, the ardor that is the inheritance of man alone.

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That’s a largely different context, what’s your point? Mechanical devices to hear music didn’t harmed music as that person foresaw, if anything, it gave musicians a opportunity to promote their works, allowed people from far areas to hear music without having to travel long distances to hear a singer, and much more.

AI is a largely different situation from what you quoted and while it has positive effects, its potential negatives outcomes are similar to that of the industrial revolution. Artisans losing their jobs and being forced into unemployment and poverty or employment in a shit factory with shitty conditions except this time only few professionals will remain in stuff like art for example.

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I wouldnt necessarily compare AI to the Industrial revolution either. While I agree the aforementioned example isnt the same contextually. Neither is the Industrial revolution.

They’re similar in some ways though

So, a while back I found AI.
Yeah, I know it’s been around a while, but you know how it goes.
I’ve been useing it to write books, and decided to try my hand at useing it to polish my choicescript book, more detail, pulling in other characters and orgonizations from my other works, things like that.
However, I’m haveing trobuel stopping the AI from messing up my code, and to a lesser extent indentations.
As such, is there anyone who has experience with this or recomendations on what I should do to fix this? I can go back through it and fix it, but if I don’t have to, I would rather not, as AI is supposed to make writing this easier, and it’s not doing that as well if I have to keep stopping to fix things that there should be a way to insure don’t get messed up in the first place, you know?
Anyway, I hope to hear back from you soon and I hope that you, as in you who reads this has a good rest of you’re weekend.

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Stop immediately, at least if you’re hoping to be published by Hosted Games. They won’t publish anything in which AI was used to do creative work.

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But it’s not yet at the point where it can actually do that – at least, not without the level of prompt detail and attention that would more than soak up the time and effort you’re trying to save. Let it go.

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What Aletheia and Havenstone said. Your best bet is to post in the help section here - there are plenty of people who can help, and you’ll develop your skills that way. With practice you’ll make fewer errors, and know how to fix any that come up yourself.

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I once shared the mechanics of my tabletop RPG system with ChatGTP. It went bonkers and started rambling about the goals of EU-Ukraine Energy Dialogue.

I dread to imagine what AI would think of my ChoiceScript code. It might just decide to exterminate humanity. I’d disadvise using it in this capacity.

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…I have so many questions.

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If AI reads Saturnine, I don’t think it’s your code we have to worry about. :joy:

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I am really glad that whoever posted this is so transparent about their use of AI, because otherwise I’d be tearing my hair out over the prospect of someone getting paid to write about books without knowing that a pronoun requires a referent. Or that a Neil Gaiman recommendation requires a giant caveat.

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Is it? I spent so much time with my Master’s that I’m putting “conclusion” as a section title in all my section-titled things now.

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