While I appreciate that there is a distinction that is legal sophistry and we all know it. When two businesses are staffed by the same people, owned by the same people, run out of the same offices and are active in the same industry they are, for all practical purposes if not legal, the same company.
The staff of Choice of Games LLC also work as the staff of Hosted Games LLC. Hosted Games LLC is owned by the same people who own Choice of Games LLC. While the companies are legally distinct, we share information between Hosted Games LLC and Choice of Games LLC without restriction. Hosted Games LLC also abides by the terms of Choice of Games LLCās privacy policy.
The important distinction is what and how the two publish and release games.
Once you realize that the entire process is different and separated, then you grasp better that some things, such as the aforementioned genderlock affect the author/developer in different fundamental ways
It is not technicalities and āsophistryā which impact us in everyday practical matters, but these real differences that determine if a title would even be published by one or the other.
The sooner an author gets this fundamental fact, the sooner they can get into actually writing and producing a final product.
Look, Iām not going to turn this into a debate. Just realise that most average consumers do not see a distinction between the different companies given how closely tied they are, and correcting someone that CoG doesnāt publish genderlocked games because they publish genderlocked games through either HG or HC is just pedantry.
The average author and developer who wants to publish is what this was all about.
Something cannot be pedantry if it is every day practical reality that impacts peopleās ability to publish their games.
THAT is the point. It is not academic, or pedantic.
No it is not. It is giving accurate information that can save new writers a LOT of time.
Maybe for you is not an important clarification. But for someone who really wants to publish their game the difference between all branches are FUNDAMENTAL.
To point if that writer mistakes one for the other could ended up having to redo the entire game.
And even that truth is truth. Giving information about the forum you know is not true, only causes drama and issues.
You donāt care about. Well donāt talk about what do you donāt care. But never spread false information
Iāve personally accepted a while ago my tastes are generally different from the majority of CoG/HG readers. Iāve never cared for historically-inspired fantasy titles, or romance-based stories.
That being said, thereās always going to be people whoāll write and those who will read fantasy games, despite the definite high saturation. The one kind of fantasy story I donāt mind on occasion is the kind thatās set in a modern-day setting, but Iād still likely pick any non-fantasy story over it.
Dieselpunk is essentially the dark twin of Steampunk. If Steampunk essentially is the idealism and scientific curiosity of the Victorian era using steam to advance technology via an alternative source of power than electricity. Dieselpunk is doing the same but with the horrors and darkness of WW1 and WW2, likely creating far more military focused and aggressive machines to wage war. Basically think like the first steps to the sunny future of Warhammer 4K.
You have other forms of retro futurism like Raypunk (Flash Gordon or Forbidden Planet) Atompunk (Fallout) Cyberpunk (ā¦) Cassette Futurism (Alien or Star Wars) Oceanpunk (Waterworld or One Piece), Stonepunk (Flintstones), Desertpunk (Mad Max) and more!
I am talking about writer here. I donāt see the potential helping to a writer that provides a statement of I ammmm boreddddd about fantasyā¦
That writer has probably kill his ass working months. To suddenly see a horde of people who are NOO THAT SUCKS WRITE SOMETHING ELSE
It is entirely negative, it is discouraging and hell if donāt help anyone.
There is a catalogue of far far more than 100 titles. You have all genres to pick.
No need for making us writers to feel like shit with absolutely no regard for their own creative desires and feelings.
Sorry you feel bored but I donāt write for you and I wonāt writer what you want because you cry out loudly.
Edit:
I am really tired of this type of threads because they donāt solve anything and discouraged dozens of possible writers to even start.
Only serve to make the forum worse. You are tired of X
Do something about it, besides complaint about it
Make jams, offer your art to writers who are doing the genre you are. Offer yourself as editor. Start your own gameā¦
Or even if you have means to or friends who are similar you can even do a kickstarter a new project and if achieve financial support hire a codder or a independent pen to write your wanted game.
Anyone of those would be beneficial to the public and to the company.
Shouting million of times I am bored. Only makes people angry, upset and create a bad environment that causes even less games
Not tired of them, never will be tired of them, Iāve been in love with the fantasy genre since I was 5 years old. Conversely, modern day settings have rarely interested me.
No oneās attacking authors directly in here, or actively discouraging potential authors. Thereās a pretty wide range of responses in here, including āyes Iām tiredā, āno Iām notā, ādepends on the authorā, and more.
Thereās a difference between making a general post about it versus going directly to the authorās posts and demanding they change what theyāre writing. No one in this thread is doing the latter.
It is only helping to discourage without bringing absolutely ANYTHING positive or anything that could serve to improve the company.
Sometimes I think people tend to forget this is not a fan discord ig is the oficial forum of a Game developer.
So the probability of a writer appear and take a wrong idea and say well public here hates this type of stories so maybe it is bad idea start a game here if people wont like it.
I know people that was so discouraged by one of this raging threads that stopped directly their first project thinking anyone will like it.
I know it pretty well due this has happened to me several times being triggered by posts saying Nobody like this Why people are always doing X
If a story has less 300k is shitty and it has to have 6 ro to even I think playing the demo.
All this negative ranting threads who absolutely bring anything to table. Causes well that writers stop even trying.
What i mean is there several key pieces that make me feel bored
First plot. In case of plot the plot is often about chosen or not chosen one wielding magic or some supernatural weapon going on journey. There already many of it. Yeah that simple as that thereās too many but a fantasy setting where the protagonist is not some predetermined going on journey is rare take for sword of rivenia and the infinity series. The protagonist is not some going on journey yet people still love playing because the protagonist can be said use their skill in other parts other than brute strength to solve problems sometimes they use tactics or political acumen. Sword of rivenia about some magical sword but protagonist use more of their political acumen same as infinity series and this pretty much protagonist not using magic but use tactical skill as commanding officer as more to say not even the big hero in can be giving hero in this story is cazarosta or lvebre who have more accomplishments and embody more bravery facing dire situations. Another good example of not chosen one fantasy is lord of aswic this pretty good game
Second settings. As i said there too much story with settings going adventure as chosen one or revenge but not many stories settings fantasy in political adventure sadly most of this wip going dark like blood of dragon, tale of two prince this going dark in sense that the author still working it said but also no promises to complete so itās understandable since working is passion project need passion. Other already not updated for long time like for the empire war for heirs. All this story taste fresh because the sitting mostly only one place which is the protagonist castle itās the cast of characters more appealing become main attraction for readers to know this cast and who they allied with. You know just like game of thrones to put simply
Third the genre. This too many genre which have many exciting potential like examples recently is velocity wip exploring racing and teen drama, there mecha giant robot futuristic sci-fi not many people writing this or some teen drama setting in modern era either detective or yeah straight up romance. Even horror or zombie survival which is pretty mainstream is pretty rare. There in need more diversity in genre
So that my personal opinion sorry English is not my first language
that was a very thoughtful post. But there are three companies not one and the catalogue of the three combained it passes of130 games.
Thereās several of zombie games and a lot of modern sci fi games.
Hosted writers write and create the games they want as there are independent.
I think if we see the whole repertoire since 2011, people wouldnāt complaint as much.
But sales are sales, and fantasy and fantasy with romance are popular.
I will like recommend you Choice of robot and the first zombie exodus both incredible. Tin star is also something incredible and one of my favorite westerns
Fantasy feels like ordering a cheeseburger from the different chefs, an amateur, a pro, and a gourmet chef. The first chef, the amateur, makes you a simple cheeseburger with a few condiments but nothing fancy. The burger is neither great nor bad, it is just a regular cheeseburger. Enjoyable, but a desire for something else or a little more. A professional chef comes along, says heās making you a better cheeseburger. The meat is bought from a butcher, the condiments are a tad more expensive but taste better. Itās a pretty good hamburger. But you just want a little more of something to make it great. Finally, the gourmet chef comes around. He says he will make the best cheeseburger in your life, and you trust him. The meat comes from a cow killed by the chef himself, all the condiments are made and prepared by himself, itās the freshest and most delicious thing youāve ever eaten. You are satisfied.
One day all three chefs tell you they will make their signature burgers for you everyday. Breakfast, lunch, dinner. This goes on for weeks and weeks until eventually, it doesnāt matter who makes your cheeseburger, itās just another cheeseburger. No variety of entree, just meat with cheese and bread. No matter how you twist and spice it up, it will always just have that meat, cheese, and bread.
I am not tired of fantasy games but I am tired of playing the overpowered naive kid all the time. I feel like thatās a genre that donāt explore much different types of protagonists, itās always all the same and even when people make different worlds, I canāt help but feel like I am playing the same thing over again because the player character feels so similar to one another and so does our companions.
Others have said similar things, but this is a handy quote to bounce off. Iām perhaps out of step with what others are reading, but Iām not sure Iāve seen enough chosen-one stories played straight in these games to feel theyāve saturated the field (nor have I encountered them a huge amount in the fantasy books Iāve read in adulthood).
I find it interesting that my sense of whatās on offer in CoG/HG/HC fantasy - when there are plenty I still havenāt played - seems so different to to what others have mentioned. I certainly wouldnāt consider any of the fantasy games I mentioned that Iād especially enjoyed in the last couple of years to be stale, or to all be about the same things. To borrow a metaphor, I wouldnāt even call myself a die-hard burger fan - Iām picky about flavour and texture combinations and what I like on the side
Thatās a really odd comparison for such a huge generaā¦
Just because certain themes are common in COGs (like the chosen one, blank slate protags, romance focus, western/high/vampires/school/superhero/teenager-20ās age protag etc themes) does not mean that is the only thing that fantasy can be. There are a heap of fantasy type themes, topics, etc that I almost/never see around here. Itās more like comparing a cheese sandwich to a mud cake or a shepherdās pie or a bowl of cereal for that matter, because all can contain flour. People might eat sandwiches and cereal more commonly on average than wedding cakes, but just because you may never have eaten it, doesnāt make them cease to exist. (Ok this metaphor is getting rather tired).
I challenge you to head down to the local library read a whole heap of fantasy books from different authors, ages of publications, lengths and subgenres and then tell me how they are all exactly the same boring hamburger with nothing to distinguish them
Conversely, modern day settings have rarely interested me.
