Zombie Exodus: Safe Haven General Discussion (Part 3 beta coming in December)

[Cari-san]

I really like delusional MCs new scenes with Ray and how Jaime finally notices that MC talking to themselves is weird.

[Disciple]

Nice. Definitely asking jaime for another dufflebag then.

[lupiesoldier]

@JimD I encountered a bug with sniper Jude. I asked to offer him others ways for trading and my dirt poor teen was able to trade $200 money multiple times even thou I don’t have more than $100 money.

[ryan_khong]

Are we ever going to meet the person from the dating website again?

[poison_mara]

No . They were just a prologue to have something to do if you don’t have or like any of origins scenario for starting the outbreak

[The_Division]

I don’t think it’s in the cards at all

[fairlyfairfighter]

I mean, if the whole “carrying thing” is a massive issue, you can mod the game (this specifically would be super simple, just change (str/6) to (str*6) (or just a big number) in Carrylist.txt.json near the bottom.

Although again, this is a mod, not simply maxing stats. If you just wanted to max out carrying-capability, it seems maxing out strength, taking the working out hobby, and carrying many duffel bags/ backpacks would prove most useful.
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If you want to max out stuff without modding, here is a very short guide on where you can get backpacks and duffel bags from:

When you gather supplies in chap 1 you get a backpack.

When you get “Sarge’s Bag” (from memory, I assume this is from killing the Sergeant in the Police Officer background ) you get a duffel bag

In chap 2, when you go to the expensive rancher, with stealth >= 40, and pick “Sneak in back door grab bag and gun”, or you simply clear the rancher, or make a diversion, you gain a backpack

Also Lyle and Jillian will take a backpack if they decide to betray you

In Tommy’s house, if Tommy is dead and you search, you will gain a duffel bag.

Also, retrieving the bag Fred drops also gives you a duffel bag.

In Chap 3, ask Jamie for a duffel bag.

Rachel gives a duffel bag no matter what

I would do more, but fun fact

You know that Zombie in the early game you can lock up in your basement? And you know Lyle wants all your stuff?

Well you can kill to birds by one stone by telling Lyle you need those things, and tell him you will give him something else, in order to lure him to the basement. If your persuasion is high enough 45 then Lyle will be killed by the zombie, and JIllian and the Zombie will literally run off into the distance. It isn’t hard to get, but generally if you focus on fighting or emotions you won’t have a situation where you have a zombie in your basement and Lyle and Jillian betraying you.

Anyway, that was a cool path I hadn’t noticed before.

Also god damn, @JimD I’ve never had the heart to do it before, but those execution scenes for Lyle and Jillian are just brutal. I’m not sure whether to be amazed in how shockingly real the reactions are, or just shocked, but either way it is a great(ly written) scene.

*Also, if you do decide to mod the game for whatever reason and it crashes/ breaks, dont report it as a bug, simply fix it yourself, or just reinstall the game and play it normally.

[poison_mara]

Please could you blur all that? As a role player I don’t want know all those data as can effectively make less my enjoyment and even worse, my capability of give quality feedback. My feedback is based on emotions In how game flows and immersion. Knowledge of meta data could harm the attempt of being as blind possible.

Also people please. If you have your game modded please understand that those mods can damage code in unexpected ways in sense cause phantom errors that yoy have caused by tampering code so Before reporting a bug check please. I have known people working on mods for fallout that received tons of supposed errors that were caused by other mods so modding could change stuff if one is not careful

[JimD]

@cool

Just finished my first game with the new content, had lots of fun! Thank you all who worked on it! I’ll surely try many more characters to see what I missed later.

Glad you liked it. I’ll look into that error.

@cool

Raising the checks doesn’t make anything more challenging; it only requires more refined min-maxing, which I personally find boring and irritating. I would like the game’s challenge to come from difficult decisions.

It can be both. I like the current state of DnD because both RPers and mix-maxers can shine with a good DM. I agree that difficulty should be found in the types of decisions, but the criticism some players report is that there is really no value to higher levels. A fairly mediocre character can excel so far. In some ways, that’s great because everyone can be the hero and my mission to balance the game without IAP points is working. But I want to make some missions just at the edge of challenging. I want a new Fuel Run. I want people to fear parts of the game.

You can still RP and can tone down the difficulty passively. Taking Tommy, Lopez, and Rachel will make it easier than Bailey, Parker, and your nephew. I will also write in-game notifications on difficulty.

@cool

without knowing anything about how you plan on approaching this. I’ll be happy for more missions regardless

I probably did need to give more info but sometimes I like to know gut reactions. Comments like yours are really helpful.

@fairlyfairfighter

Hey quick question, is Zombie Joe always going to killed/ removed from group, or is it just that many choices (trying to research him, using him as defense) result in his death?

I’m going to add ways to use him in a future update. I don’t want him too overpowered either. Right now, the only negative is a slight morale hit.

@fairlyfairfighter

Does this mean Keith and I are now eternal enemies? Or is there a bit of leeway?

I can’t help you here. There’s no way to answer without giving away secrets. All i can say is that a lot of speculation is wrong.

@fairlyfairfighter

(And also, will what we do with the sniper affect future relations with the New Army?)

If he lives, possibly. But his affect on the future is big.

@Disciple

Jim could you remind me what factors decide how many items you can take when scavenging?

Others have answered but let me know if you need clarification.

@lupiesoldier

encountered a bug with sniper Jude. I asked to offer him others ways for trading and my dirt poor teen was able to trade $200 money multiple times even thou I don’t have more than $100 money.

Thanks, i will address it.

@ryan_khong

Are we ever going to meet the person from the dating website again?

One of them.

@fairlyfairfighter

I’ve never had the heart to do it before, but those execution scenes for Lyle and Jillian are just brutal.

Thanks!

[Eric_knight]

@JimD

A fairly mediocre character can excel so far. In some ways, that’s great because everyone can be the hero and my mission to balance the game without IAP points is working.

I definitely agree on that , in the sense that the game could be play in a moderate / non-power fantasy approach

@JimD

But I want to make some missions just at the edge of challenging. I want a new Fuel Run. I want people to fear parts of the game.

Perhaps in this case, is it possible that MC without “qualifying” stats to complete this mission be advice by one of our followers/RO/friend not to participate in this mission as a way of fair warning ?

I mean it is totally logical that an RO or friend who close to us has a feeling that this is going to end bad for us and us warn us to back off out of concern ?
If MC insist on performing something that is out of their league , then they shouldn’t blame anyone if they meet their demise

I am assuming this is an optional mission which not going to affect the main story plot, hence i suppose not everyone need to participate in it

[JimD]

@Eric_knight

Perhaps in this case, is it possible that MC without “qualifying” stats to complete this mission be advice by one of our followers/RO/friend not to participate in this mission as a way of fair warning ?

Exactly my plan. Likely the RO, or leader.

@Eric_knight

I am assuming this is an optional mission which not going to affect the main story plot, hence i suppose not everyone need to participate in it

Yes, and if you don’t go, there will be other content.

[ryan_khong]

thx for the reply Jim ima place my bet on vivian haha

[cool]

Okay, your reasoning makes sense, as does the criticism of the value of high stats. These plans already sound better than my first impression of it, especially the alternate content for staying behind. Sharing the metaphorical load with more skilled group members is a great idea too. I am definitely up for a fuel run 2.0!

I forgot to mention a couple things: first, I really appreciated the change in how people react to my falling asleep on watch, because I can never seem to muster the energy. Think you could give coffee a buff? And my favorite part of the update so far: giving the little girl my botany book was freakin’ adorable!

[Fiend]

So I just updated the Google play app and, attribute survey thingy is still buggy, I still get 200 skill points after taking the survey and have to choose another way to give out attribute points because every thing was maxed out and I still had 60 ish points left. Is it just happening to me?

[GuyNamedGreg]

People talkin’ about fighting the silver thornes. I wouldn’t in our current situation. They have at least 5 trained military personnel, (Who probably teach the others), and we got Kelly and Brody.

[Fiend]

Well we also have Rachel a super spy, Jaime a collosus, Lopez a soldier, Madison a teenager with mad skills in ranged weapons, MC if you want, Dante a bounty hunter, Reilly a certified criminal and Nora a badass grandma.

And I don’t think all the people in their militia are interested in fighting us either, they may just be held with fear like Rosie and Driver were.

[poison_mara]

Should be a option to break the romance right there if they Told to pc what xhe should do. I mean a super ruthless short fuse probably do something like that.

About your input about difficulty I understand your points. What I personally hates es when a game hold my hand and say me how difficult something will be It destroys a little the magic.
One of ny love of the fuel run in first game in my Love Love hate relationship with that mission is the reference to difficulty is subtle. And is progressive creating a situation really tense. So first time playing was really engaging sadly replay is limited as that mission is rather linear because the difficulty. But with variables anddynamics of npc companions that in this will be far more replayable.

Also I would love be like tom and send people DIRECTLY to be slained and destroyed. parker Kelly and woody. With au sabotaged equipment.
@JimD please make a mission where ultra fighting characters have big struggles as even without extra points is a easy mode .

Now next suggestion is not viable however I would love a mode that add a possibility at beginning of 3 game that a natural disaster (flood Huricane fire etc) destroy part of character storage and resources to add a extra difficulty on the survival front

[AAO]

@GuyNamedGreg

People talkin’ about fighting the silver thornes. I wouldn’t in our current situation. They have at least 5 trained military personnel, (Who probably teach the others), and we got Kelly and Brody.

There’s no need to fight them off directly. We could always resort to guerilla warfare-surprise ambushes and skirmishes that are short and deadly. It’s not honourable, sure, but definitely efficient.

And we definitely have the crew for it. There’s Lopez, Tommy, Rachel, Rosie, Madison might only be a teen but she definitely has potential, Jaime and Woody might be difficult to sway to this project but it’s possible.

[Fiend]

@AAO

Woody might be difficult to sway to this project but it’s possible.

Nah he was fine with hunting down the Makarovs so he’ll be more than willing to do this because Keith instigated the scuffle.

[The_Division]

I recall at the Chipper Ridge, when speaking to Jaime privately, we could decide to agree to take the twins with us just to placate big Jaime. Then when the opportunity arises, get rid of them. We haven’t had any chance to take them out yet but will there be said opportunity coming up? With the option to make it “brutal?”

Also, when speaking to Rachel at our house, we could agree to join forces simply to find out where she keeps her stuff and take what we want. I mean, eventually, we did see where she keeps her supplies but nothing else happens in that regard. Even after choosing to partner up so you locate and rob her. With Part 2 done and dusted, our inventories are basically combined so it will be awkward to try and follow through on stealing from her from this point forward. Unless, we can have the option to sneak into her tent or something. Or maybe even take Puddles or her SIG Sauer or her cap or just something!