Zombie Exodus: Safe Haven General Discussion (Part 3 beta coming in December)

There is a lot of implied and obscured references made - what to make of them all, might influence your actions in the upcoming part :slight_smile:

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Ah I see. I guess this means it won’t be changed? I didn’t mean to assume genders or offend anyone by attaching the word “Luna” to feminine. Hopefully we’re all good here?

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You’re not wrong. Keith is the recruiter and seems to be leader of his own little warband. And I never noticed this implication though! Fascinating. I’ll definitely take it into consideration. Also at the end of the day, it is just an implication, albeit a strong one. I agree with you that military would turn to raiding. They have all the gear which equals power in the apocalypse and as the saying goes: “Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Also, contrary to popular belief, the military isn’t all honor and keeping the peace. Seeing the things people see there desensitizes some people. Not to mention the fact that the military is also willing to recruit highschool dropouts and pretty much anyone who can’t get into a higher education. I’m not saying people without higher education are ALL bad, but training people without the right context to pretty much take and “win” by force translates into a very twisted person in the apocalypse.

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The Silverthorne militant definitely fall into same category of those warlords militant in turbulant nations , they are pragmatic , selfish and hypocritical, giving multiple reasons for their disgrace actions( which i am not even going to name their action) in the name of providing shelter for their slave labour :slight_smile:

Ultimately , these are groups that i am loathed against … but i would allow my New Prophets to preach our ideas gradually so that eventually more people will leave such militants group on their own :slight_smile:

I was in the military . Most of the of the pepole I worked with would not go around raiding and pillaging pepole. some fomer milltary groups would become raiders but if the whole milltary tried to become marauders you would see a lot of ahwol milltary members trying to help pepole. Also most soldier are not desensitized since most don’t get deployed and will never see combat. I do think them recurting high school kids is dangerous but most will most soldier will follow unit. Most soldier have a family wife husband kids. So thet may not evan help milltary . To me the most dangerous group are mercenaries they take no oath,they sell them sell there training to the highest person who pays them and they can not prosscuted. I hope I don’t come of as mad or offened I’m just realy passiont about this.

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Keith almost tell you that he is straight using force Labour if you use the right lines probably i have them due Mara is a raider with a bad karma . Then he says You seem awesome but we are busy in the raider front so My offert is making you a FARMER MARA A FARMER!!! of course he had to run for his life after call mara a damn farmer So he will die by principle . a farmer…

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I don’t really think that that would actually accomplish anything.

If the talk about slavery/forced labor is true, then changing their opinions won’t matter cuz they might not have the choice in the first place. We also need to take into account that not every non-military person in the militia is going to be some woeful slave kept against their will. Some might like the brutal ‘survival of the fittest’ philosophy they’ve got going on and will try to get into the higher ranks, be it through promotion due to hard work or subterfuge and intrigue. You also have the more pragmatic bunch. They might be indifferent to the way things are run around here, hell, they might not even like it, but they choose to stay because they recognize the value of having others protect you. To them, living a life serving under others where they’re guaranteed food and protection is a much better option than living “the free life” in an inhospitable landscape where there’s no one to help or rescue you, human contact is limited and you’re left isolated with a vast amount of threats that either want to shoot you, eat you or take your stuff.

The only plausible way I see of taking on the Silverthorns is through taking actions against them, be it through sneaky subterfuge and stealth or good ol’ fashioned gunfighting. Waving your hands around and finding different ways of saying “Silverthorn Milita bad” won’t do much.

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Well… I would think we shouldn’t underestimate the power of Preaching, with extraordinary high Empathy and Persuasion , ideal “messages” or “teaching” might actually draw flock of followers into my group, similar circumstances happen constantly in real life based on history :slight_smile:

As the phrase goes … " The pen is mightier than the sword “, hence similar phrase could be " Voice of Reason is mightier than the Gun” :wink:

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I imagine any followers who attempt to leave or join you (provided you hadn’t been immediately shot for trying to preach to them in the first place) would be gunned down on the spot. Which would send a warning to anyone who considered revolting against the Silverthornes and joining you. But honestly, they have no reason not to kill you just for suggesting the idea of fighting back. Especially if you rejected Keith’s offer and he swore that he’d kill your entire group, you probably wouldn’t get a chance to open your mouth.

Which is why they’d probably kill you just for planting an idea of rebellion in their heads in the first place. Or if we want to get really dark, knock you out cut out your tongue and string you up to a tree and let the dead tear you apart while all the workers watch so they have a lasting example of what happens to people who try to fight back or resist.

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However… luckily for me, i am quite capable of defending myself , firearm skill , loyal Disciples such as Madison, Bailey and others is equivalent to Hunter x Hunter’s Phantom Troupe… i am envisioning myself as the hollier version of Chrollo Lucifer with perhaps Madison holding her gun by my side, with Bailey also guarding us from behind
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Which i think i had found my deadly Madison :-):grin:

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@AAO has mentioned this when I brought up the topic of dependent kids but I wanna get everyone else’s thoughts if possible. AAO mentioned that Jim told him there would be a kid to adopt later on in part 3. This kid is NOT the “dependent child” challenge in the beginning. This got me thinking, will it be a choice? Or will it be forced on the MC? Or could the MC pawn the responsibility off to someone else?

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I know Enough Jim To know it will not be forced. In fact I personally stop play right there if i have by plot carry a child like a biblical curse. That also weaken the challenge if you are forced to have a kid anyway. Who would want force a child in last part? That’s a error Jim would never commit as he is focus in player agency

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I don’t think we’re underestimating it’s potential. It’s just that your suggestion to just waltz up to the Silverthorne’s compound and start publicly preaching to all of the laborers (who are probably being supervised by armed guards as they work) about taking up arms against their oppressors and expecting your plot armor to be thick enough that the guards will just stand by as you attempt to inspire their slaves to revolt against them. It just doesn’t seem plausible it seems reckless, and I don’t see it as a matter of optimism vs pessimism. I see it as a matter of being smart about how you assess the situation and acknowledging the fact that we don’t know the actual situation with the slaves and it could be possible that they are comfortable with being laborers in exchange for protection from the outside world like @AAO said. While I believe it could be possible to free the slaves if they do in fact want to be freed and it could be possible to persuade them to revolt in secret. I don’t believe you could do it the way your suggesting without their being casualties.

Personally, I love the stealth skill and if you also have a high close combat skill then you can be an actual ninja/assassin and it’s really fun. But for some reason, I feel that stealth is one of the more underrated skills( I fully admit I could be wrong about this but, I haven’t heard many people talk about being stealth oriented or at least having a good stealth level). Because, firearms seem to be the most popular weapon and without a suppressor, you can’t be all that stealthy when you’re mowing down zombies with an AK-47.

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Yeah I love the stealth skill. But I always viewd it as a last ditch skill maybe because it’s the way I play. But my favourite character I made was a john wichish build.

I think sneak is a great stat for me the only underrated stat is cooking. Due this game is not Zelda Breath of the wild. and Cooking has not enough scenes. Still i hope when we reach new place with proper kitchen we could have cooking scenes from make cookies with nephew to make a special dinner to our romance.

About stealth is useful but i have never made a character with more of 4 as no the style characters i role-playing with

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It is dependent on the player’s playstyle, but it doesn’t have to be a “last ditch skill” I have used it multiple times for several different missions and being stealthy has allowed me to just run into a place populated by the undead and get what supplies I need without disturbing them or just kill them with a cavalry sword one by one. Now you may think doing that is boring but, I’m trying not to use Arsenal AK ammunition on the undead unless I absolutely have no other choice because I want to save my ammo for the inevitable conflict with the living.

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Anyone else have a problem where a skill shows up as: (70) 65%?

I have that problem for leadership on one of my characters and it’s bugging the hell outta me. Why is my percentage lower than the number in the parenthesis? This doesn’t seem to be a visual bug either as it actually affects my game. My charisma and intelligence are also upgraded to 60%+ so idk why my leadership skill is so low.

Edit: this is while playing as a college student. That might be why. But this never happened before for my other college students. Is this a new bug? I’m even wearin military gear which should give my leadership stat a +5 boost right?

2nd Edit: it seems to be a bug. For my college student save just a week ago, I had my leadership at superior but it didn’t debuff it by 5%?

3rd and final edit: The only thing I can think of is this is a new update. But I never received any. Furthermore, I’m wearing the same clothes option, military gear. Only difference is that in one I left my leadership at advanced and another I had it at superior. But for some reason if I leave it at advanced it debuffs it? It must be a bug. Unless something idk is affecting it.

It is the bonus for clothing if you dress intimidation leather dominatrix outfit for example it goes

(80) 90 as the bonus is ten

My stats went down though even though I was wearing a military outfit. My leadership stat went down to 65% when it was supposed to be 75% since I’m wearing military gear. Military gear gives +5 to leadership and +10 for intimidation. As you can clearly see in the picture below, my stats are being lowered for no reason. And it affected the outcome of my election as leader at the highway.

No idea as for me works as intended .except How is your stress and fatigue that could decrease your stats too are you 100%?

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