Zombie Exodus: Safe Haven General Discussion (Part 3 beta coming in December)

The fight against Keith and his posse is coming no matter what. Keith is forcing the issue by being a raider and a warlord. He can’t handle another group existing outside his control from what it looks like.

Keith’s outlook is incredibly short sighted. The “weak” are the future of humanity in the ZE world: i.e. children. Without them, there is no future.

My main has a nephew. No way is he just going to let Keith put Johnny in a shallow grave.

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I will fight against him to all I’m saying with their traing it will be tough no matter what I hope in ln we can recurt a lot’s of pepole

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I hope not i don’t want more people. I have too many dead weight. Maybe an alliance but np more waste.

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My plan is trade survivors Like I’ll say kelly was in the marines corps before she became a journalist. Paker was a green beret. I don’t like Jamie so I will say he was a navy seal team 6 he helped assassinate Osama Bin Laden. Also Jillian was in the swat team

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I remember Keith saying he tried to help survivors when this first started and that it didn’t work out due to whatever happened to the FEMA camp he was stationed at.( I think it was the dangerous encounters he had with strangers that were coming there for safety even though they were sneaking their infected loved ones into the compound which got more people killed.) So I don’t think he just showed up at the FEMA camp and staged a coup he had been living there and something seemed to have happened which caused him to snap and become the warlord we see him as now. Of course, I could be wrong though and if so please fact check me.

I agree he’s done nothing to really warrant trust in a leadership role yet people nominated him because he’s the nice guy that tells them what they want to hear. In fact his trusting nature and obsession with helping people makes him an easy target to manipulate. If he keeps making the assumption that a group of strangers are good people just because they helped a member of our group then he’s going to get us killed or put us into dangerous situations. As for Rachel, she loses because she doesn’t have the filter of kindness that Jaime has and literally tells them they’re aren’t prepared for this(which is the truth even if they don’t like hearing it.) Not to mention Rachel is a lot more pragmatic which is something the majority of the group seems to disapprove of.

You assume Keith is actually killing the children which is possible but did it ever occur to you that it’s possible Keith acknowledges the fact that children are the future and could in fact be training them to be child soldiers ? While it would be insidious and amoral of him it would also be smart because people would think thrice about killing a child not to mention you could lure a group into a trap or ambush if they see a seemingly “distressed” or “endangered” child they’ll want to help or save that child.

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The only logical explanation I find as to why people would follow him bc so far (let’s assume the MC doesn’t want to lead) he is the only one willing to tell people what to do who also has some persuasion abilities. Also who are the other candidates? Rachel whom most people don’t trust and sucks at giving speeches and Kelly who would be even worse of a choice as leader than Jaime.
Anyway my MCs tend to vote for Rachel bc of her pragmatic nature which is kinda funny when my MC runs for leadership too and the result is one vote for Rachel (from MC) and everyone else voting for MC.

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Keith actually says (paraphrased) “You’ve got an old lady and kids here. You’re carrying floaters” when he offers his ultimatum to MC.
That is a pretty strong hint that he killed kids and has no problem with doing so again. Even if he isn’t the one doing the deed, the fact that he isn’t restraining Benton (who killed Trisha and Keith described as feral) from doing so says that he believes that the “weak” should die and he has no problem with the death of children.

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Then I guess @CSGo88 is right and he’s an idiot who doesn’t see a perfectly good resource in the making even if it’s one that requires time and energy. Also he doesn’t know that Madison & Brody are more competent than some of the adults in our group.

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Where did he Tell you this? He always told me, he did not know they where dead? I am curious.

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Thank you for restating this because this seems to be something a lot of people are forgetting or ignoring based off of how people seem to view them as the primary antagonist of part 3 when mutual hostility is just one possible outcome of the introduction/encounter of the Silverthornes. Personally, I’m open to working with them if it would increase both of our groups odds of survival not to mention whatever insight I could gain about their group and how they operate. Eventually, I would probably kill them once I figured out which way would be most efficient to do so and once the group has everything we could/would need from them.

I would have thought his time spent with Dillan would have caused a sort of change to at least begin to manifest that sort of behavior by now but that hasn’t been the case. If anything it’s made him cling to his morals and optimism even more. So I don’t know what it would take for that change to occur. Maybe his naiveté and trusting nature finally get’s someone killed and then he changes his philosophy/ approach ?:thinking:

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Mara wants to bed Keith and then stole their group then kill him. Mara needs a release and there is no man for her around or woman…poor Mara.

Keith is messed up he killed kids and parents…Mara is not saint but she wouldn’t kill kids and families just because. She will make a safe comunity without bullshit but with room to kids to learning read skills and defend our stuff.

Raiding is for adults and take it seriously not being a bully war lord .
Mara is bad person for sure but she doesnt enjoy torture or killing and tries use persuasion first Keith is just a messed up bully lusting for women without care woman safety or will. So Mara will kick his ass in both senses :wink:

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Jamie remind me more of dale tv version you can’t evan recognize the comic version

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He doesn’t tell you. It’s pretty heavily implied that Benton killed Trisha, though (when you find zombie Trisha, she is restrained with barbed wire - the Silverthorne symbol of sorts - and her body is mutilated (by a human). Her diary mentioned the encounter with the Silverthornes, and she described Benton as creepy.)

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Ugh I HATE Benton !!! If he even thinks about touching Madison I’m skinning him alive and sending his arms and legs back to Keith in a box, then I’m hanging the rest from a tree outside of his camp.

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He tells you if you are a raider with high persuasion he tells you about get rid of weakness and dropped out families and other considered as inferiors.

He then dare to say Mara has potential but she should be a farmer and trash before proof Being raider material. Then Mara uses Colt python to his groin is super effective And he pointed mara cleverage…And this sound like other genre lol :wink: I have already told mara wants bedtime

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Ah thank you for clarification. OK than my argument still stands^^. I do not think it was Benton, why would he annoy Keith who has no problem killing subordinates that do not act to his wishes? And that part with Madison might really be what an imprisoned Benton says. That she reminded him of his sister who died in the outbreak. My guess still goes to the Makarov son.
Any other theories?^^

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Walter White killed them

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Ugh! I’m always so torn between romancing Tommy and Jamie, but I’m thinking of playing as a woman and seeing how I like Woody. He seems funny and he is nice to my nephew think I’m gonna try it out. :joy: @poison_mara I might try one of ur play through and try to only save me my cat, and my nephew.

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He did say that Keith doesn’t care about him meaning once Wyatt is captured he is a lost cause for him.Besides you can sneak in and destroy their ammunition supply or if you can hack you might also do something related to it.Though causing an infighting among the silverthornes would be one of the best option or just use zombies against them .But you are right facing them head on will result in casualities to the group

Well I’m sure that Trisha and Evan were not killed by Keith and his group because in one of my playthrough I had high empathy and he didn’t lie about them being killed,my bet is on markovs especially the younger one , Trisha’s arm was cut like she was tortured .But the graves I’m not so sure

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No I’m talking walter white from breaking bad. I’m just making up cazy ass conspiracies for this game. Anthoer theory I have what is Colonel Goodman a reptilian and Colonel fakuler found out so he and us government killed fakuler and this was whole thing was created by the reptilians so they could get rid of human’s