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Doesn’t seem so bad does not mean good. Especially when it comes to vielence and harrassment germany does not score that good even when looked at in comparison, because much more interesting is that still nearly 40% of people in most european countries answered questions about being harrasset/attacked because of them being LBGTA positive. That’s a huge number, just because the number in other countries is higher doesn’t mean it’s “not bad”.

And when talking alone about transgender induviduals the number of people that felt discriminated is also terrible high.

Just because things could be worse doesn’t mean that things are good.

…And you know that because…? Or is that just what you assume?

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You are taking data out of nowhere.

What I asked for is more relevant data, as such I concluded to wait for the survey first before forming or making a final decision.

To go to prison, you need to do an offense, what is considered an offense should be readily available between the self help groups and whatnot, it should be fairly clear that choosing the partner should be a careful deed to do.
You realize that is an accusation, yes? Neither does it provide something for the topic and is therefore useless. Previously, when you provided me a hint to find something, I took it seriously. It was not enough as is and does not properly solve this.
The thing you pointed at just says 93k, it does not say where they are from, it does not say in which circumstances the survey was done and neither on which platform. Did it also include people that fall into the LGBT sector but are neither registered nor belong into to their platform? People look for platforms for a reason; people to understand them, people to relate to, help…
It dawns to me that you do not understand one thing: Every agency is out for something. Weither that is attention, a certain goal, they only provide you the info THEY want you to have. Without clear numbers, there is no evidence that this is not the case and especially with rounded ones, like you used, 40% is a quite odd number that I have seen being used with everything that had an agenda.

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I took it from the second link you gave me: http://fra.europa.eu/DVS/DVT/lgbt.php The one you said is “far more” conclusive.

If you want I search every question together and write down the exact %. It’s a work of some minutes.

And if you have better statistics about the topic please point me to it.

Edit: Also, I overread the prison part so the sentence looked quite different for me. My bad. If you want me to delete that part I will do so.

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Look, I do not mean to say anymore it is not happening, I merely want more data to make a final conclusion, to form an informed opinion. We can see clearly that it does specifically happen in east europe.
But I also want to know to whom exacly, is it transphobes that is the majority in a country or homophobes? and so on.
And from then on the reasons are more easily found and improvements can be made.

People say a lot of things. The UK for example, people here said it is really bad there, yet the mapdata gives an implication that it may not be as bad as mentioned. It is a difference I would prefer to consider rather than simply say it is bad everywhere and follow merely what I heard without absolute data.

Now for the map, some of it is useful, other not. In the violence tab it asks what of it has happened to one, there is no “Did not happen” button, which implies it is only the portion of people to which it happened in the first place and the opposed number had been very useful to know to what percentage of a total it happened to. That had been one of the clearest things that could have been available on there and had been an absolute on how bad it really is, but that is of course not given.
I know there is a “Do not know” one, but this seems rather odd.

But I will make a stop here(I read the part of not being able to follow up on my jumps, which is understandable). I actually missed the part where the question could be changed or the different tabs above it the map. I do apologize for not noticing that earlier, guess I was too tired as I only had gotten up and went right to looking at it.

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The problem with the lacking data is a crux many fields that are occupied with lbgta issues have unfortunately…(But not be mean, but rejecting certain data, because there can/probably are interests of sponsors involved comes dangerously close to cherry picking, worser in cases in which data is that rare.)

I also just want to point put that the data on the map, pretty much is the data of the survey I linked you the press release first.

I don’t know if you read their Q&A about their methodology and their technical report, maybe it answers some of your questions:

http://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2013/eu-lgbt-survey-european-union-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-survey-results/survey-methodology-q-and-a

http://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/eu-lgbt-survey-technical-report_en.pdf Edit: Okay, you really should read this one, it gives you the absolute numbers and the whole data collecting process, etc. I think it should answer most of your questions about the survey.

Looking at the answers per subgroup at least indicates that trasgender induviduals have to suffer more violence. I certainly would be also happier if I could find more information about the situation in Europe, it would be much more interesting if it would also show the differnces between the differing areas inside the countries: Is it worse on the countryside or in urban areas? Are certain states more prone to certain ways of discrimination, etc.

But as it is we have to work with what we have. And about people saying that it’s pretty bad in a certain country, there are various reasons for that, one being a higher awareness or with what/where the comparision is: Do people compare it to the ideal, which all countries seem to be still far away from or with countries with better circumstances? I think that makes a difference, comparing to something that may be not that far away in the future or some ideal we are still very far away.

Also the number of people that have outed themselve makes probably a difference. Being openly out or being closeted makes a differnce in the ways discrimination works against one.

Still I wouldn’t say that we already as far to say that lbgta people are really largely accepted, tolerated yes, but there still are much things wrong in the perception of lbgta people, when there are still not so few people that need to be told that saying “homosexuals are sick in the head” is a pretty gross (and wrong) thing to say or are against simple things like same-gender marriages (what comes with tax breaks that many couples probably could need) and people out of the lbgta spectrum adopting children.

It’s a kind of tolerance that is build on: “Yes I know I shouldn’t discriminate or attack those people, but I still don’t like/understand it” That’s different from acceptance. And yes much of it comes from lacking education and/or thrive to educate oneself.

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A long time ago, I read something saying “If you can’t understand it, you will have to accept it.”

To me, it does not make much sense when people reject or say something bad about homosexual people. I remember a sex researcher(I do not remember the name properly) saying that all humans are in the core bi-sexual, based off the fact that prison rape (and other occurances) exist.
I perceive attraction as a personal emotion, a preference. As I desire to specialize on trans and intersex I also spoke with my current boyfriend about those subjects a couple of times now. He accepts them, but he would not like to be in a relationship with one, I perceived a bit of uncertainty and fear in the way he said it to me. I just asked him “What is wrong with that? It is your personal preference, your sexuality. There is not a problem if you accept them and treat them normally.”

A solution that comes to mind would be to bring it up in school very early on, when children can still be influenced; or to teach the correct things at school. In germany we are taught that XY is in absolute always a male and XX in absolute always a female, exceptions were not named and neither were we told that there are 30 SRY genes while only 3 of them sit on that final X/Y or that innormalities exist.

On adopting… this is actually something I am not sure about, I know that homosexual are not allowed to adopt in germany, but how is it with transgender? Does anybody know about that?

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Depends most likely on the legal stance to transgender people and how easily they can get recognized by their own gender/what gender their life partner has. In Germany it was for years pretty difficult to have the gender of a transgender person be accepted without a sex change and even more difficult while they were in a marriage, they needed to be divorced first and in relationships which were formerly registered as same-sex union they also had to do a sex change first before they could let it change to a marriage. In 2009 the most things about that got changed, mostly the required sex change is with the current laws, fortunatelly no longer required. So it mostly depends at least in Germany if the person is in a marriage or a same-sex union, legally speaking. (I think in Austria it’s similar)

No idea for other countries.

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Is what really got me into the genre in the first place. I was playing at 11 years ago when I was 16.
I don’t remember when I played choice of the broadside I thought it was going to be a different perspective when I played as a woman it was just a gender swap which I thought was disappointing. Since they were using real world historical Inspirations they could have used real world examples of plausibility and had a fun time with it.

The gentleman that’s making a whole game about the court of Henry the 8th had a brilliant system setup for the two genders with the sibling relationships, and pushing just enough of the Ballon to plausibility for the female character to be incredibly influential because she has an individual as an incredible person by the standard of the day.

Paul who writes the infinite Sea series. Is showing the hellishness of War and the transformation it causes people. And sometimes it’s necessary. Along with incredibly well-written issues Regency inspired gender issues. And Goshman LoA series is a generational family if he keeps it going I can see us eventually playing a female which I would be all for! I’m doing just personal historical research on The Early Republic Show me the different ways both genders exercised influence. Especially if they were ambitious themselves they could push their agendas to their husbands. Or start their own societies find religious movements.

I think personally my frustration with gender swap if you have a society with embedded prejudices you’re robbing a rich Narrative of perspective. No I’m just saying not seeing that in a CoC game because you guys gears towards escapism which God knows nothing wrong that. But if you are going to have different genders with even a semi realistic world I want to see the reflective perspectives and the differences causes male, female or non-binary, same goes for sexuality. For example I can’t wait for the Lord’s because I have several characters saved some are love of more masculine traits I really want to see how he’s going to write a good homosexual love story and I know it he can do it well our of many of the writer here with the trickiness of the era he’s trying to emulate.

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@Rogar -
This post really had nothing to do with the seperation of brands in the CoG portfolio and has everything to do with @Havenstone ;s thread…which is why I moved it here. If Havenstone should disagree, he’ll be able to move it back or wherever he thinks it should go.

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