# Vendetta: Rise of a Gangster -- Reinvented **URL:** \ **Category:** Works In Progress\ **Tags:** gender-choice, historical-fiction, adult-fiction\ **Created:** [July 2, 2018, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574 "2018-07-02T10:31:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Lydia119](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Lydia119](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Lydia119)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/770 "2018-12-17T12:22:24Z")
Any chance that Lucinda is lesbian/bi? That woman is a badass with a gun šŸ™‚ Also if I remember correctly (been a while since I last played the demo): if you choose to enlist Rosie with avenging Billy, you canā€™t max out the revenge for Billy bar? The perfectionist in me is a little miffed at that haha. Can there be an option later on to make Oā€™Haraā€™s life in prison a living hell for a while, and then arrange for someone to kill him in jail? For a female mc, do you have to rewrite the Dino/Chuck/Mangano job options in the first chapter? Itā€™d be cool if a woman is actually leading the little band of burglars but I can see how it might be a little hard to get Dino to fall in line. Same with Chuck. As for the truck jobā€¦well, I just have a hard time seeing Mangano picking a woman along, even if sheā€™s Annie Oakley with a gun. Gotta loooove the patriarchy. ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/771 "2018-12-17T12:27:20Z")
> [@Lydia119](#): > > Can there be an option later on to make Oā€™Haraā€™s life in prison a living hell for a while, and then arrange for someone to kill him in jail? I believe @Vendetta said there was going to be the option to visit Oā€™Hara in prison, so maybe there is also the option to bribe some guards or fellow inmates to make the guyā€™s living hell. My mc personally wouldnā€™t go that far, as he prefers to remain in the shadows, letā€™s keep Oā€™Hara and his powerful benefactors tearing out their hair guessing who did it. But then my mc prefers to operate on the background whenever possible when it comes to his less than legal dealings. ---
**Author:** ![Lydia119](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Lydia119](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Lydia119)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/772 "2018-12-17T12:57:21Z")
Cool! Yep, I was actually also thinking along the same lines of keeping it a secret on the ā€˜arrange to kill Oā€™Haraā€™ part. It might be harder, idk, but I figure if Iā€™m going to make someoneā€™s life miserable, might as well go all the way in. ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/773 "2018-12-17T13:00:04Z")
An assassination is too much honor and effort for the likes of Oā€™Hara. What my mc might do is make sure that at some point he gets added time from the warden for bad behaviour and pay witnesses and victims to come forth at his parole board hearings to make sure he doesnā€™t get out until heā€™s an old man. That would be far better revenge than a mere killing. ---
**Author:** ![Lydia119](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Lydia119](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Lydia119)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/774 "2018-12-17T14:26:12Z")
Thatā€™s a good point. I should clarify that I meant make life difficult in prison for Oā€™Hara for years, then at the end of the dozen or more so years arrange for him to be quietly killed off. Though that means the mc has to even survive that long in the first place šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![MIGSey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/migsey/32/21225_2.png) [@MIGSey](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/MIGSey)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/775 "2018-12-17T14:31:53Z")
That would probably require building a lot of connections, which Iā€™d wager is easier if youā€™re a political bagman or ex law enforcement. Now, I love to make the guy suffer, but Iā€™m more of making him die in a horrible fashion, hence why I always go to the bar with the past and present Hellions. Itā€™s glory or bust, though I admit, the old bloodlust has faded now as I replayed. ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/776 "2018-12-17T16:37:14Z")
> [@MIGSey](#): > > That would probably require building a lot of connections Look at Gus Fring in Breaking Bad, it can also be done as a successful legitimate businessman. If he gets the funds for it my college boy intends to be a fixture at the annual police charity ball for sure and maybe do something like sponsor the police baseball league too or something. Iā€™m just saying lots of ways to build connections and become a pillar of the community, if you want to. We should also have a couple of years before Oā€™Hara comes up for parole and my mc doesnā€™t really care how good or bad his life on the inside is, just that he stays there until heā€™s at least a senior citizen. ---
**Author:** ![MIGSey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/migsey/32/21225_2.png) [@MIGSey](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/MIGSey)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/777 "2018-12-17T16:54:55Z")
Me no watch Breaking Bad šŸ˜•. Besides, better deal with the problem now than later. Somewhere, @Vendetta is ensuring the ā€œforgive donā€™t forgetā€ is active everywhere and that wonā€™t just want involve us dishing out the vengeance. ---
**Author:** ![oort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/71c47a/32.png) [@oort](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/oort)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 1:06am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/778 "2018-12-18T01:06:56Z")
my guy. i am so excited for this!! the grifter role sounds awesome - iā€™m going to swindle _everyone_. keep up the stunning work c: ---
**Author:** ![yougal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/c4cdca/32.png) [@yougal](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/yougal)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/779 "2018-12-18T03:22:47Z")
Wait a minute 1986 how old are you I wasnā€™t even born until 93 ---
**Author:** ![Vendetta](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/vendetta/32/533_2.png) [@Vendetta](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Vendetta)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 12:19pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/780 "2018-12-18T12:19:45Z")
> [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > This is 1920ā€™s 'Murica, not exactly a gay-friendly place by any means. šŸ˜’ > To the outside world gay couples were room or housemates, which was a bit more common phenomenon among unmarried straight men too in those days. > Ironically I think it would get more scrutiny once the mc and their lover (hopefully Adamo in my case) can actually comfortably afford to live in a mansion. Pretty much the situation we have in _Vendetta_ ā€“ at present, even to the extent of potentially having a negative impact on your overall _Underworld Respect_, making it an additional ā€˜challengeā€™ to overcome. Iā€™m still in two minds whether this is actually a good idea or not (although this disadvantage _is_ balanced with some useful, situational advantages along the way) so playtest feedback will be important here. > [@Lydia119](#): > > Any chance that Lucinda is lesbian/bi? That woman is a badass with a gun šŸ™‚ Originally, no. A fairly recent changed has however moved Lucinda from the ā€˜straightā€™ group into the ā€˜maybeā€™ group (as a result of overall RO game balancing), meaning that sheā€™s one of those who ā€œdonā€™t even admit it to themselvesā€. In these cases, seduction is key, meaning (among other things, specific to each individual) a fairly high level of _Persuasion_ will be needed. > [@Lydia119](#): > > Also if I remember correctly (been a while since I last played the demo): if you choose to enlist Rosie with avenging Billy, you canā€™t max out the revenge for Billy bar? The perfectionist in me is a little miffed at that haha. Can there be an option later on to make Oā€™Haraā€™s life in prison a living hell for a while, and then arrange for someone to kill him in jail? > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > I believe @Vendetta said there was going to be the option to visit Oā€™Hara in prison, so maybe there is also the option to bribe some guards or fellow inmates to make the guyā€™s living hell If you make use of Rosie to have Danny Oā€™Hara locked up again, it is possible (with Nick Morelloā€™s help) to pay him a visit in prisonā€¦ More than that would be spoiler territory, but it does allow for a bit more (and more satisfying) closure on the whole thing, should you choose. > [@Lydia119](#): > > For a female mc, do you have to rewrite the Dino/Chuck/Mangano job options in the first chapter? Itā€™d be cool if a woman is actually leading the little band of burglars but I can see how it might be a little hard to get Dino to fall in line. Same with Chuck. As for the truck jobā€¦well, I just have a hard time seeing Mangano picking a woman along, even if sheā€™s Annie Oakley with a gun. Gotta loooove the patriarchy. Good examples of just some of the many differences determined by the gender you choose to play, yes. Generally speaking, it tends to go on the character of the specific NPC with whom youā€™re interacting ā€“ in some cases there will be no real difference playing a woman, in some cases it can make things harder, and in some cases it can make things quite a lot easier. The overall aim is that _it balances out_, while properly depicting the very real differences your gender would have in the 1920s underworld. At the end of the day, it still comes down to your actual choices. > [@yougal](#): > > Wait a minute 1986 how old are you I wasnā€™t even born until 93 Iā€™m at the age where everything is _too damn loud_, technology is a challenge, not a luxury, and where I regularly lament ā€œthe good old daysā€ even though privately admitting that in truth things were really no better back then than they are now. šŸ˜ƒ In short, Iā€™m pushing 54, so pretty much a fossil hereabouts. ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/781 "2018-12-18T13:15:15Z")
> [@Vendetta](#): > > Pretty much the situation we have in _Vendetta_ ā€“ at present, even to the extent of potentially having a negative impact on your overall _Underworld Respect_ , making it an additional ā€˜challengeā€™ to overcome. Iā€™m still in two minds whether this is actually a good idea or not (although this disadvantage _is_ balanced with some useful, situational advantages along the way) so playtest feedback will be important here. Iā€™ve read that the 1920ā€™s in America was before widespread suburbanization and the ā€œnuclearā€ family, all living in the same suburban residence, that gained prominence in post-war America. As a consequence there were a lot more room and house mate situations among heterosexuals, particularly unmarried working men, too. Making it relatively easy for a discrete gay couple to blend-in. Like I said I think it might become more troublesome in the sequels if we get to the point where the mc can comfortably and easily afford mansion living. Though of course buying your gay lover his own mansion was an option for the truly, filthy-rich too, I imagine. > [@Vendetta](#): > > Iā€™m still in two minds whether this is actually a good idea or not (although this disadvantage _is_ balanced with some useful, situational advantages along the way) so playtest feedback will be important here. Weā€™ll see wonā€™t we? ---
**Author:** ![Vendetta](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/vendetta/32/533_2.png) [@Vendetta](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Vendetta)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/782 "2018-12-18T16:24:20Z")
> [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > Iā€™ve read that the 1920ā€™s in America was before widespread suburbanization and the ā€œnuclearā€ family, all living in the same suburban residence, that gained prominence in post-war America. As a consequence there were a lot more room and house mate situations among heterosexuals, particularly unmarried working men, too. Making it relatively easy for a discrete gay couple to blend-in. An excellent summary of the conclusions drawn from my own research, yes. What I wanted to do with _Vendetta_ was to give a gay character (and now, of either gender) the very real choice of deciding just how much they wanted to try and ā€œblend-inā€, given the era in which the story is set. Unless you choose otherwise, the outward appearance will generally be no different to that of any straight character and your sexuality remains a very private matter. Should you choose _not_ to ā€œblend-inā€ at each such opportunity, this course of action will have both advantages and disadvantages along the way. _The Adelphi Club_ is a case in point, being a potentially very lucrative racket only available to a gay character, but being involved in ownership there kick-starts the rumor mill among the local underworld as a whole, and potentially to your detriment in some situations. The reverse is, however, also true ā€“ the less you try to hide your true self, the ā€œbetter knownā€ you become to others inclined to be sympathetic to your views. > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > Weā€™ll see wonā€™t we? Iā€™m certainly very keen to see how the whole system is received in playtest. Thereā€™s a fail-safe though, in that most of the code governing this is handled in a separate subroutine, meaning that itā€™s a relatively simple matter to ā€˜pull the plugā€™ on the whole concept before final publication (losing both the extra advantages and the disadvantages) should it not go down too well. ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/783 "2018-12-18T16:27:39Z")
> [@Vendetta](#): > > The Adelphi Club I really, really like the Adelphi club, though at the moment it does not impact the mcā€™s living situation and weā€™re not even living together with Adamoā€¦yet. The big draw of this game for me is, after all, being able to be a badass gay gangster. Who possibly graduates to mob boss and eventually godfather should this blossom into a trilogy. > [@Vendetta](#): > > The reverse is, however, also true ā€“ the less you try to hide your true self, the ā€œbetter knownā€ you become to others inclined to be sympathetic to your views. True, still the situation was such that even the more open gay men had to have the cunning to maintain a veneer of plausible deniability. Up to and including the ā€œbeardā€ at times. ---
**Author:** ![MIGSey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/migsey/32/21225_2.png) [@MIGSey](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/MIGSey)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 7:16pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/784 "2018-12-18T19:16:04Z")
> [@Vendetta](#): > > the ā€œbetter knownā€ you become to others inclined to be sympathetic to your views. Thatā€™s interesting, for a fictional game, I wouldnā€™t picture society to be forward thinking and hence more willing to collaborate with you around that time. Donā€™t get me wrong here, it opens up more avenues for the MC, but Iā€™d argue that give a tad more hardship to the MC if they are ā€˜openā€™. Again, Iā€™m no expect and will defer to both you and @idonotlikeusernames to your respective area of expertise. ---
**Author:** ![DontJudge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/dontjudge/32/107407_2.png) [@DontJudge](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/DontJudge)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/785 "2018-12-18T19:54:17Z")
Is there like a beta test going on right now? ---
**Author:** ![poison\_mara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/poison_mara/32/271676_2.png) [@poison\_mara](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/poison_mara)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/786 "2018-12-18T21:23:56Z")
The problem with gate a romance behind high persuasion is it will look like Pc is coherce the ro to partake in a relationship and thatā€™s objectively wrong in many levels. Like oh I have 20 persuasion I could turn X bi or asexual or whatever is moraly disturving. Another thing is let clear that the character has doubts about a relationship and the pc should deal with it but never based in a stat at least in my opinion ---
**Author:** ![MIGSey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/migsey/32/21225_2.png) [@MIGSey](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/MIGSey)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/787 "2018-12-19T04:39:57Z")
Vendetta is currently revamping the prologue and first chapter right now. You can only play the old demo as of this moment. When he has completed the new version, he will let us know. ---
**Author:** ![Vendetta](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/vendetta/32/533_2.png) [@Vendetta](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Vendetta)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 9:47am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/788 "2018-12-20T09:47:38Z")
> [@DontJudge](#): > > Is there like a beta test going on right now? As @MIGSey says. šŸ™‚ Check out the FAQ section of the OP if youā€™re interested in participating in the final beta. > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > The big draw of this game for me is, after all, being able to be a badass gay gangster. Understandably. It would of course be _oh so easy_ to limit the gay character aspect to scenes of a private or intimate nature and to not have it impact anything else in any significant or meaningful way ā€“ as is perhaps the norm for these things. I wanted to try something a little moreā€¦ involved than that, given the gameā€™s era and setting, but I accept that itā€™s a fine line to walk and guidance / feedback will be paramount to get it right (or to scrap the whole idea, with relative ease, if it doesnā€™t seem to be received too well). > [@MIGSey](#): > > Donā€™t get me wrong here, it opens up more avenues for the MC, but Iā€™d argue that give a tad more hardship to the MC if they are ā€˜openā€™. Overall, that could be the end result ā€“ such as accepting that a less secretive approach is bound to have a negative impact on _Underworld Respect_ as a whole. Itā€™s not a glass ceiling, though, just a somewhat harder climb than it would otherwise be. Conversely, the advantages to help offset this would be more situational in nature (and some may therefore be missed / bypassed on a _particular_ play-through, which may at times result in an _overall_ negative impact). The aim is that this would balance out on those play-throughs where you manage to take advantage of _all_ the positives from being less secretive, and so fully reap the rewards. > [@poison\_mara](#): > > The problem with gate a romance behind high persuasion is it will look like Pc is coherce the ro to partake in a relationship and thatā€™s objectively wrong in many levels. Like oh I have 20 persuasion I could turn X bi or asexual or whatever is moraly disturving. Another thing is let clear that the character has doubts about a relationship and the pc should deal with it but never based in a stat at least in my opinion Itā€™s fair point and I can definitely see how it could be taken that way, so again it will be something about which to keep a close eye on playtest feedback in those few situations where it applies. I guess the main point is that itā€™s definitely not a case of just turning on the charm and being able to ā€˜convertā€™ anyone. There has to be a case of latent attraction ā€“ perhaps on a subconscious level ā€“ before there is even a remote possibility of success. In essence, instead of simply defining every character as either straight, gay, _or_ bi, Iā€™ve also allowed for a gray area in some particular cases, because I feel this is also very much a part of our human nature. Things are not always so cut-and-dried in real life, either. Yes, _Persuasion_ will play a big part (because in the game this encompasses such as physical attractiveness, natural charm, and your ability to persuade by such as reason and simple logic) but other factors will also play a part, and mostly different ones for each individual. Above all, however, your own choices will be the overriding factor. ---
**Author:** ![DontJudge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/dontjudge/32/107407_2.png) [@DontJudge](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/DontJudge)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/vendetta-rise-of-a-gangster-reinvented/40574/789 "2018-12-20T12:09:09Z")
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