# Uprising against the Verdant Lords (small update 12/9) **URL:** \ **Category:** Works In Progress\ **Created:** [November 18, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980 "2016-11-18T00:27:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Rogar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/rogar/32/22370_2.png) [@Rogar](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Rogar)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/181 "2016-12-10T17:15:31Z")
Is there any type of cursus honorum set up or is it similar to the Athens democracy? ---
**Author:** ![bomsasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bomsasa](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/bomsasa)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/182 "2016-12-10T19:25:21Z")
Happy birthday! (20characterlimitblablabla). ---
**Author:** ![TSSL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/tssl/32/49833_2.png) [@TSSL](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/TSSL)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 6:31am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/183 "2016-12-11T06:31:26Z")
Thanks to the various well-wishers šŸ˜Œ I had a good day, so yay. > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > However, basically as @Eiwynn said everywhere there has been slavery there have been abolitionists and most of the times an abolitionist movement too, itā€™s just that in some places, most notably most of the Middle-East they never gained the strength required to really push for it, but they did exist. This is just something I will need to do more research on. The Middle East would also be an interesting area to look at. If you have any suggestions for where I might go looking, feel free to shout out šŸ™‚ > [@Rogar](#): > > Is there any type of cursus honorum set up or is it similar to the Athens democracy? Closer to the former, but there isnā€™t really a standard order of offices for a career. They also donā€™t have term limits, though recalls are possible, or leaving a post to accept a higher one, or just retiring. As far as the highest level of government, there are the two assemblies; a lot of prominent people donā€™t have a title other than assemblyman or assemblywoman. They also appoint governors. The seven highest titles are as follows (note that gender may vary, but I am giving the most _common_ gender for each post): High Lord of Lords and Ladies: Highest official of all, he presides over the rest, directs the government, general coordination and executive type stuff. Also tends to have the most sway over decrees. Lord Minister: He handles a lot of administrative and diplomatic duties, often involving relations between groups within the republic as well as outside. Often serves as second-in-command, and is the most likely to go travelling, while the High Lord sticks in the capital. Lady Treasurer: She controls the purse-strings. While her power is theoretically limited to the budget, government funding, taxation, all that kind of thingā€¦ it turns out that being the ultimate authority on those is kind of a big deal. (However, she does not have power over monopolies and her government resources arenā€™t always as strong as those of the most powerful families.) Lady Overseer: Largely in charge of public works. She organizes infrastructure, keeps up the fortresses, checks on agricultureā€¦ generally, where Lady Treasurer decides where to spend money, Lady Overseer carries it out. Lord General: He commands the military. Under the direction of the High Lord. As approved by the Assemblies. Also general patrolling. Lord Judge: The highest judge in the realm, his main purpose is resolving disputes that canā€™t be handled at a local level or within a family. This may involve what weā€™d consider criminal or civil law, but could also entail just patching up a feud (or trying). While it _is_ an elected office, unlike the other six, this office has traditionally been passed down within a single family, one which holds no monopolies nor particularly great wealth, under the tacit agreement that allowing any other family to gain the office would ruin their unbiased reputation. Lady Seer: Chosen to represent the government and the republic as a whole to spirits and other realms of existence. She also serves to present visions and advice at government functions. Furthermore, she performs all the highest rituals. So, while she doesnā€™t exert power by force, she bears considerable influence. ---
**Author:** ![bomsasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bomsasa](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/bomsasa)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 11:02am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/184 "2016-12-11T11:02:12Z")
Does the Lord General usually have some military experience? For that matter, how common is military experience amongst the assemblymen/women? ---
**Author:** ![Rogar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/rogar/32/22370_2.png) [@Rogar](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Rogar)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/185 "2016-12-11T23:30:17Z")
that leads to another question how does the army look at this in the system of our cave Greece or maybe something Han China military system? Or is it based on the Old Kingdom / early and mid Republic class system of the army of Rome? ---
**Author:** ![TSSL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/tssl/32/49833_2.png) [@TSSL](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/TSSL)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:46am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/186 "2016-12-12T05:46:15Z")
> [@bomsasa](#): > > Does the Lord General usually have some military experience? For that matter, how common is military experience amongst the assemblymen/women? This has varied by time period. Since the conquest of Laghuna, the republicā€™s only major war was an attempted invasion by the other republic to the east. Lately, military experience has mainly been a matter of patrolling and internal affairs. They would rely a lot on familiesā€™ private armies and on mercenaries, but the government does have a right to call on local governments to raise levies. Appointment of commanders largely goes through whoever it was who _raised_ the army in question (local government, family, whatever), but the highest levels get appointed by the Lord General. A few of the wealthier families devote more energy to the military, and often provide officers; many do not. The current Lord General is from one of these, and rose through the ranks, but hasnā€™t seen much in the way of action. Most assemblymen have no military experience, but there are plenty who had at least a little, though not necessarily particularly _effective_ experience. (I say assemblymen because the military _is_ male-dominated, though not exclusively.) The current weakening in military tradition is one of the factors allowing the uprising to get off the ground. Hopefully this helps address what @Rogar was wondering too šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Rogar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/rogar/32/22370_2.png) [@Rogar](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Rogar)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 5:50am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/187 "2016-12-12T05:50:55Z")
Interesting hmmm the Constitution for this Republic one of these days and it means the defence. , so letā€™s say my name and character wants to raise the army they have to have the wealth and the means to do it how to keep it standing from how does one rise throw the rank in the system because it seems very levy based. ---
**Author:** ![bomsasa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cc9497/32.png) [@bomsasa](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/bomsasa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 8:50am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/188 "2016-12-12T08:50:59Z")
When was the conquest of Laghuna, what was the justification for the war (if there was any), what was the state of Laghuna before the conquest and how did the republic manage to win the war? I mean, with Laghuna being larger/more populous than the rest of the republic, the republic must have had some advantages back then or Laghuna must have been really impovishered or something. ---
**Author:** ![TSSL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/tssl/32/49833_2.png) [@TSSL](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/TSSL)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/189 "2016-12-12T22:59:48Z")
> [@Rogar](#): > > how does one rise throw the rank in the system because it seems very levy based. Basically, you just have to catch the eye of someone higher up. Connections and relatives are often more important than actual qualifications. Lately, in peacetime, thereā€™s been little opportunity for advancement by the lowborn. Once war gets going, theyā€™ll be much keener on promoting the most effective commanders. Within the monarchist rebellion, on the other hand, it will pretty much all be the personal choice of the king. > [@bomsasa](#): > > When was the conquest of Laghuna, Mostly around the 3870s. The main character was born in 3949. > [@bomsasa](#): > > what was the justification for the war When the steppe-derived empire ruled the whole area of the present republic, they ruled the coast directly, but created a separate political entity to rule the inland, Laghuna, under a series of puppet kings. Although there were already some cultural differences due to geography, and the presence of more steppe peoples in Laghuna, and their languages diverged, the republic still officially argues that the distinction is arbitrary, artificial, and imposed. > [@bomsasa](#): > > how did the republic manage to win the war? I mean, with Laghuna being larger/more populous than the rest of the republic, the republic must have had some advantages back then or Laghuna must have been really impovishered or something. So Iā€™ll admit I havenā€™t worked out all the details of the conquest yet. Laghuna was definitely poorer, however, and although it has more people, they are spread out more thinly. The coastal area is more fertile, and a better crossroads for trade. Powerful families in the coastal areas could also call on inland relatives to side with them. To some extent, the republic was also just lucky with its leadership. Notably, some of the most powerful families at present gained their power as a result of involvement in that conquest. ---
**Author:** ![KapitanSokolov](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/kapitansokolov/32/54505_2.png) [@KapitanSokolov](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/KapitanSokolov)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 12:39pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/190 "2016-12-13T12:39:36Z")
Any specific reason why their culture is so family-centered? ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/191 "2016-12-13T13:05:08Z")
> [@TSSL](#): > > Within the monarchist rebellion, on the other hand, it will pretty much all be the personal choice of the king. And the whims of a boy-king are not something my mc is in any way, shape or form willing to gamble on. ---
**Author:** ![poison\_mara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/poison_mara/32/271676_2.png) [@poison\_mara](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/poison_mara)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/192 "2016-12-13T13:45:55Z")
To make mara suffer blah balh family members. So damn torture. Like respect your Betters THEY ARENā€™T BETTERS THE ARE ASSHOLES LIKE BIG SIS ā€¦ she wants to kill me or sell me to bought herself a better husbandā€¦ she is probablyā€¦ Thinking on it ā€¦that of sacrifice me ---
**Author:** ![Vattena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/vattena/32/126702_2.png) [@Vattena](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Vattena)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/193 "2016-12-13T14:34:02Z")
Well,that actually depends on your choice though (sorry, I too sensitive about family matters to igrone) ---
**Author:** ![poison\_mara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/poison_mara/32/271676_2.png) [@poison\_mara](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/poison_mara)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/194 "2016-12-13T15:14:12Z")
No problem, lol. I am familiar person myself. One thing is role playing and other real life. Same in video games play shooters doesnā€™t make you an assassin. Role playing doesnā€™t make you a monster or a saint if you play goodies. I am talking in _character_ so donā€™t take my comments face value except in game ---
**Author:** ![TSSL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/tssl/32/49833_2.png) [@TSSL](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/TSSL)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2016, 5:16am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/195 "2016-12-14T05:16:31Z")
> [@StarshinaSokolov](#): > > Any specific reason why their culture is so family-centered? A specific reason? No. Itā€™s what fitted together as I was developing the society. The lineages worked as building blocks. But, all in all, itā€™s not an uncommon way for human societies to function. European derived cultures are a bit on the low end as far as these things go. It might possibly also be a factor that Iā€™m a bit of a geek for building family treesā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Vattena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/vattena/32/126702_2.png) [@Vattena](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Vattena)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/196 "2016-12-23T06:46:52Z")
> [@TSSL](#): > > It might possibly also be a factor that Iā€™m a bit of a geek for building family treesā€¦ Same here then. since,it easier to make plot and twist with large family tree ---
**Author:** ![TSSL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/tssl/32/49833_2.png) [@TSSL](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/TSSL)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 5:46am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/197 "2016-12-27T05:46:26Z")
Answering in my own thread so as not to derail the tropes threadā€¦ > [@What are the common tropes/cliches you see in CoG games (and other games) that you like (and don't like)](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/what-are-the-common-tropes-cliches-you-see-in-cog-games-and-other-games-that-you-like-and-dont-like/22482/70): > > > [@What are the common tropes/cliches you see in CoG games (and other games) that you like (and don't like)](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/what-are-the-common-tropes-cliches-you-see-in-cog-games-and-other-games-that-you-like-and-dont-like/22482/18): > > > > šŸ˜² weirdly enough, one of my unfinished stories is entitled The Prince and the Thief and has pretty much just what it sounds like šŸ˜ > > Any chance of incorporating some of it in your current WiP? I mean my mc is so poor heā€™s not really above stealing and some of the leading families of your republic got to have dashing sons, right? In terms of incorporating that story itself, not so much, since itā€™s a rather particular plot in a rather different setting. However, theft _is_ something that could make sense for an MC to do and I will consider it in my notes. As for dashing sons, while the male romances whom Iā€™ve currently been thinking about are lower class or in one case foreign, I have been outlining prominent members of the dominant families as well as their immediate relatives, so Iā€™m leaving myself open to the possibility of including a romantic plotline with someone else if they catch someoneā€™s eye šŸ˜œ ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/198 "2016-12-28T19:29:50Z")
> [@TSSL](#): > > so Iā€™m leaving myself open to the possibility of including a romantic plotline with someone else if they catch someoneā€™s eye Well Iā€™ve got to meet them first, but generally romances across class-divides have so much more potential for angst and drama and (unintentionally) funny moments, plus in general I tend to like defrosting the ice prince. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![TSSL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/tssl/32/49833_2.png) [@TSSL](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/TSSL)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/199 "2016-12-28T23:31:32Z")
Well, I do have a wealthy _lady_ planned, but I realize thatā€™s not to your taste šŸ˜œ Thereā€™s still some class divides within the lower class people, though in a different wayā€¦ and the foreign guy I have in mind is roughly on the minor nobility or gentry scale of things, but I think thereā€™d his foreign origin would be cause for rather more drama _and_ humor then class issues. (And heā€™s about as un-icy as they come.) I did want to give some of the less privileged characters in the setting the chance to shine as possible loves and friends, as major drivers of the plot. They wonā€™t be the only ones around, though, certainly. But yeah, there will be high class people youā€™ll be meeting, so once I present them, we can just see if anyone seems worth writing more. (Youā€™ll also find that the republicā€™s current Lord General is gay [or maybe gay-leaning bi], but heā€™s well too old for the MC.) Oh, and female characters will be able to marry the king, and anybody will be able to marry some relative of the king, but thatā€™s less romance and more politics. ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980/200 "2016-12-29T00:23:49Z")
> [@TSSL](#): > > (Youā€™ll also find that the republicā€™s current Lord General is gay [or maybe gay-leaning bi], but heā€™s well too old for the MC.) Depends how far youā€™re willing to go with the casual hook-ups, but I can see why he wouldnā€™t work as an li for our mcā€™s. > [@TSSL](#): > > I did want to give some of the less privileged characters in the setting the chance to shine as possible loves and friends, as major drivers of the plot. They wonā€™t be the only ones around, though, certainly. Not a problem per-se though theyā€™re usually not as challenging, since our mc is from the same background as them. Of course for my mc to romance them they have got to be willing to be upwardly mobile, as my mc certainly isnā€™t planning on staying poor and dressed in rags for the rest of his life. So characters who are of the opinion that they should not try to rise from their ā€œappointedā€ status and argue for [happiness in slavery](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HappinessInSlavery) are not the types my mc will find desirable. In other words if an li wants my mc to meekly kowtow to Lords and Kings, well that ainā€™t gonna happen. [Previous page](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/uprising-against-the-verdant-lords-small-update-12-9/21980.md?page=11)