Well at this time duplessi was long dead but the party in power was basicaly its spiritual succesor so you can guess that politic have been something very hard to change here. There is four party and out of those four party three are right wing who consider themselves the party for the economy. Those at the head of those three party are all working very closely with the corporations. And then there is quebec solidaire wich is the only leftist party.
Which is why I’d think to sue the pants of his heirs or estate, since what he did appears to have been criminal and they likely materially profited from it. Though of course Duplessis (estate) is not the only thing that should be subject to an individual suit here, I’d go after the medical association and the individual doctors and their heirs and/or estates too, as well as the Federal Government of Canada, now under Trudeau who apparently funded these “institutions”.
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Duplessi came before René Lévesque who is moderate. They are social-democrats. Not socialists. I’m not sure where you got that they were extreme left.
Also true french-canadian separatism began with the sons of freedom back in the 19 century and mostly died with them in that burning church. Then Duplessi came and right winged it. Then Lévesque came and moderated it. Then Jean Charet came around and libertarianised it. Then Pauline Maroi came around and officialy made it a corporate movement that didnt really believed in separatism anymore. Now we’re not even sure who is going to lead the Quebecois party but it sure as heck still is going to be a right wing capitalist. There is another separatist party, Coalition avenir quebec, but they follow the same belief but with more shameless racism.
Now I’ve played the demo, pretty good. I was talking about actually lives lost, not oppression, but I won’t pursue this to respect your wishes.
Sadly I dont think this will ever move further than it is now. Most of the Duplessi orphans are dead now. I mean, in 30 years they went from 3000 to 1100 and considering that they accepted the government offer this doesnt work in their favor. No institution want to take the blame for the crime of Duplessi and the church. Also btw it was the provincial government of quebec not the government of canada that did this. Trudeau represent canada and right now Philippe Couillard represent quebec. I will let you guess what kind of person he is.
Hint: He’s against free healthcare.
Okay basically everything you said there was pretty much inaccurate. Levesque was extremely left wing and with the exception of Bouchard the Parti Quebecois has essentially been socialist since the 1906s, big spending, high taxes, government involvement in everything and a pile of debt.
Calling Jean Charest a libertarian is honestly hilarious. Charest was an extremely moderate conservative who presided over a middle of the road Liberal party. The idea that someone who says “Gosh maybe we should creates some jobs and engage in less deficit spending as this doesn’t seem entirely sustainable” is branded a libertarian displays a very warped view of the political spectrum.
The CAQ specifically ran on a platform of “talking about separation is unproductive to solving Quebec’s problems” and suggested immigrants need to accept some local norms, So calling them a racist separatist party is bizarre and inaccurate.
With at least the tacit acquiescence of the Federal Government of the time, since they had those institutions funded by the Federal Government.
Doesn’t matter all you need is one stubborn old bastard.
When it comes to suing the government, unless the settlement was very specific on this it shouldn’t legally absolve anyone else, particularly from personal and private liability. So the Church, the medical association, the Duplessis heirs, or estate(s) and the heirs of the individual doctors who falsified those medical records should still be fair game. Even if that settlement does absolve the government of further responsibility for the mess they created. Also apparently not everyone of those orphans took that settlement and those that didn’t and possibly even their heirs should still have some recourse against the government, though it would require starting the long, tedious and expensive process of getting compensation out of the government all over again for them. Settlements as a rule only tend to bind those who actually took part in them, after all.
Much like with OJ, you may not be able to get the man anymore but prying some money out of the cold and uncaring hands of his despicable children and grandchildren should still be possible, imho. Even if that won’t be nearly enough to put them on welfare themselves, unfortunately.
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First of all could I please ask you where are you from? Because I am pretty sure of my informations. And I know Jean charest isnt directly a Libertarian. I was mostly joking around at this point but they still turned the parti Quebecois into a corporative mess. They are still investigating their frauds accusation.
And seriously I dont understand where you got your informations on René Lévesque. He was a moderate Liberal. Not far left. There is a huge difference there.
CAQ is a mess and cant be trust. They also said they were socialist wich is VERY far from the truth.
Edit: If you are saying that René Lévesque is exteme left because he nationalised electricity you need to know that nationalisation does not absolutely mean leftism. Hydroquebec itself is one of the most corrupt and corporate thing I ever saw.
Well I dont really know what to do in those situations because I am not familiar with the process for this but I do agree that they should claim more.
If this is the amount they’re claiming for mere negligence in the care of an old woman, which is also terrible, don’t get me wrong there and actual, proven victims of long-standing and systemic abuse get no more than a paltry 15k, something is seriously wrong here and that makes me think it’s time for the heirs of the perpetrators to lose a few fancy homes, yachts, cars and private planes to some compensation suits.
Of course in my example that’s only what is being claimed here, those things are most often settled for somewhere between 10 to 40 percent of the claim, if there’s even a hint of credibility to the accusations, if I remember my “introduction to the US legal system course” back at university right.
Even under our own far less generous Dutch civil law, if we look at prisoners who are proven to have been innocently held on a wrongful conviction by the government for say 15-20 years, or so you’d still be looking at a compensation in the order of a couple of 100k’s even if it mostly ends up shy of the millions. And if there was a witness, say a priest or a doctor who knowingly lied or falsified records in order to help the prosecution and the government obtain said conviction, you could still go after them or their place of work regardless of the compensation you get from the government.
Of course most of those private suits falter on meeting the burden of proof, but here they apparently have some of the damning, falsified records, so proof wouldn’t be the problem here.
And that’s not even considering all the other Catholic Church (sexual) abuse cases where the Church settled for far more than a mere 15k, on occasion in cases with much less solid, or even dubious “evidence”.
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Guys - refocus on the game … perhaps we should flag the in-depth discussion on Canadian stuff and move it? I just don’t see a Canadian separatist theme in the game, sorry.
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Eh I didnt plan on continuing this. I’m not in the mood for arguing and I know my facts.
This converstation made me wonder something though. Wasnt there a separatist party in there? I think they represented a culturaly different area of the nation. I wonder what kind of interactions we might have with them.
Edit: There is!
I’m sorry, I’m frankly shocked that something like this was allowed to happen and then so callously dismissed in a seemingly nice place like Canada, so the blame is mostly mine here, forgive my incredulity back there.
As for the in-game separatist party, coming off the recent discussion here, my (charater’s) first instinct is to not give them an inch. Besides with the 8 or so seats they currently have they can be mostly ignored, for now at least.
@AlexClifford1994 Speaking of compensation, would it be possible to refuse to accept our government paycheck, or whatever they call the compensation scheme for mp’s there. One of our own old left-wing leaders had some success with that tactic since it helped him present himself as “a true public servant”, though I do recognise it would be exceedingly difficult for the poorest mc’s to pull that stunt. Still my mc would at least try to refuse the “Queen’s blood money” now that she has openly endorsed the Fascists.
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It let me wonder how much wealth is going to be taken into consideration in the game. I decided to make a guilty aristocratic lenin type of character with no consideration for money so I easily see my character ending up broke because he dumped all his cash in the party or some cause but on the other hand this might lead to the new order making up some rumor about us not really being poor. Even good actions can be turned evil when someone charismatic enough say it is.
My aristocratic MC is more a Patty Hearst type of character … so that way she can go both the left or right pathway.
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Thats really cool! I cant wait to see what different backgrounds will bring to the game.
Point of order: the reign of Maurice Duplessis’ Union Nationale is often seen as an immense dark age in Quebecois historiography: this was a time when a profoundly corrupt government pushed policies designed to keep the population of Quebec rural, uneducated, and tied to a parochial church power structure, while selling off the provinces’ natural resources to foreign (mostly American) companies, and slandering any of its political opponents as communists.
The era that followed the end of the Union Nationale government, the so-called “Quiet Revolution” was when the various centre and left factions suppressed by Duplessis finally managed to begin the process of bringing the province some semblance of modernity, on par with English Canada. However, the specific direction of this change caused fractures within this tenuous coalition, with the Federalists mostly sticking with the Provincial Liberals, and the Separatists splitting off into their own parties: the Bloc on the federal level, and the Parti Quebecois on the provincial one.
That being said, their parochialism and deep-seated xenophobia aside, the mainstream of Quebec Separatism remains centre-left. The real left-wing fringe was the FLQ, who were far beyond the pale of what was considered acceptable, both in their politics (they flirted with Maoism of all things) and their tactics (threats, mailbox bombs, and ultimately the kidnapping and murder of political figures). However, once the PQ proved itself to be capable of serving as the standard bearer of Separatism and Trudeau the Elder sent in the troops to crush what was probably the only unambiguous terrorist movement in Canadian history, the FLQ lost most of its legitimacy.
There, done now. Carry on.
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So about your reluctance to put fascism in the game, I understand. However, I don’t think making it playable is anything near condoning it. You would simply be giving the player the option to play as a fascist. Fascism has led to absolutely terrible things, yes, but it is just an ideology. I could make the same argument for communism, which you don’t seem to be reluctant to put in the game. While fascism was awful, conservative estimates have Stalin responsible for 34 million deaths. Also, fascism may seem horrendous to our modern times, it wasn’t too different than the absolute monarchies of Europe up to the collapse of the German Empire. It promoted extreme patriotism, which is nationalism, which leads o militarism, it led to racism, which caused the deaths of African-Americans in the U.S. up until even the thirties. It was extremely conservative, just like Otto von Bismarck, who essentially engineered the unification of Germany, So in conclusion, I feel that you should keep fascism in the game, but if you put a disclaimer at the beginning saying you don’t approve of any extreme politics, fascist or communist, that should cover it. Also I love the Idea of the game.
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Whats with the code ?
you have Animals section there from Example game, death ending
but the Part about newspaper is missing. While it isn in game it isnt in code,
Just how ?
The bits from the example are just there because I’ve not deleted them yet haha! The newspaper bit is there, at the end of new1 and sp1. Don’t worry, I’m not using witchcraft!