# The Wayhaven Chronicles: Book Two (WIP)

**URL:** <https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524>\
**Category:** Works In Progress\
**Tags:** nonbinary-inclusive, gender-choice, romance\
**Created:** [July 26, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524 "2018-07-26T12:23:43Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![raguell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/raguell/32/251337_2.png) [@raguell](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/raguell)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1064 "2019-07-04T18:48:19Z")

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are smokers people who need to be represented? i think working towards POC representation and LGBTIA+ representation seems more important than those facing nicotine addictions. i think the story is really strong as is, but it is up to the author.

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**Author:** ![spunkycatninja](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/spunkycatninja/32/32570_2.png) [@spunkycatninja](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/spunkycatninja)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1065 "2019-07-04T19:47:01Z")

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There’s also the case that I don’t think you can really promote smoking in these games because it will cause problems through the app store. It’s just best to headcanon that type of stuff anyway.

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**Author:** ![Alion1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@Alion1](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Alion1)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 8:32pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1066 "2019-07-04T20:32:48Z")

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You’re awesome.

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**Author:** ![sarah1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/sarah1/32/94691_2.png) [@sarah1](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/sarah1)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1067 "2019-07-04T22:13:21Z")

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I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by “inclusive of everyone”, I wasn’t referring to POC or LGBT representation but lifestyle choices like smoking… like choosing whether or not your character drinks alcohol, if they’re vegetarian etc. Those things are well represented, smoking isn’t. But it’s interesting that you automatically thought of race and sexual orientation.

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**Author:** ![derekmetaltron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@derekmetaltron](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/derekmetaltron)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 10:20pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1069 "2019-07-04T22:20:32Z")

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Depends on your level and willpower ability to not drink too much. Then it’s definitely a problem, same with any addiction that goes too far.

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**Author:** ![rose-court](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/rose-court/32/112987_2.png) [@rose-court](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/rose-court)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1070 "2019-07-04T22:53:17Z")

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We could get into a _huge_ discussion about the difference in restrictions and regulations of tobacco vs alcohol depictions in media, but this isn’t really the place to discuss such a thing.

The only thing that really pertains to Wayhaven is the fact that alcohol isn’t a restricted substance in the appstores, neither for Google Play nor for Apple, but cigarettes are because of how much more legislation is in place to prevent anything that could be construed as a positive depiction of it.

And besides, M-mancers [will have the option to state that their character smokes in the game](https://seraphinitegames.tumblr.com/post/184737781866/if-were-not-romancing-m-will-we-still-have-an), so it’s not like Sera isn’t forcing the player to have an MC that hates smoking. She’s just trying to find a good balance between offering player choice, not getting flagged by appstores, and still having the choice give some depth to characters and their interactions. Much the same can be said of the way she handled the drinking scene in Book One.

Anyway, if you’d like to more specifically discuss the depiction of drugs/drinking in video games, please consider starting a new topic, as this wouldn’t be an appropriate place to have thar conversation.

Also! Happy 4th to all my fellow Americans! I’m about to dig into my dad’s bbq and _god I’m so desperate for a summer barbecue scene in the later books_.  
N grilling, F running around with a super soaker, A chasing after F with another super soaker, M hiding on the roof to avoid getting super soaked.

_A&nbsp;&nbsp;d r e a m._

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**Author:** ![Eiwynn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/eiwynn/32/221334_2.png) [@Eiwynn](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Eiwynn)\
**Post date:** [July 4, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1072 "2019-07-04T23:35:45Z")

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**Author:** ![Hani\_Fina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/hani_fina/32/172205_2.png) [@Hani\_Fina](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Hani_Fina)\
**Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1073 "2019-07-05T11:50:33Z")

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It sure was a great month! Good job on completing your June goal @Seraphinite! I knew you could do it (๑و•̀ω•́)و

> [@Seraphinite](#):
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> The Wayhaven Chronicles: Book Two currently sits at a word count of **477,085 words.** So it’s now already bigger than Book One, and by far the biggest thing I’ve ever created 😃

Wow that’s a lot! Is that word count for chapter one til chapter 12?

> [@Seraphinite](#):
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> Hoping chapters will be a little smoother than the beasts that were Chapter 7 and Chapter 11, hehe _(also Chapter 10, which was a terrible mess of coding. I’m so sorry @spunkycatninja who was amazing and awesome to be able to edit around that!)_ . Though I know there is another massive one coming up with a lot of variation and choices (but it’s a seriously awesome scene!), and the outcome of that in the chapter after is also heavily variant based depending on choices, outcomes, etc of the previous one.

Just reading these make me super excited! !  
(ﾉ\*\>∀\<)ﾉ Can’t wait to try all the choices once the game release just to see UB reactions and also that juicy LI scenes \>\<

> [@Seraphinite](#):
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> **This month’s goals** I’m really going to try and push myself. I would like to get Chapter 12’s LI scenes done and Chapter 12 finished, Chapter 13 finished, and get Chapter 14 started!

Chapter 13 already finished? Man you’re so freakin fast! Anyway a big good luck for this month goal!!

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**Author:** ![Seraphinite](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/seraphinite/32/57032_2.png) [@Seraphinite](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Seraphinite)\
**Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1074 "2019-07-05T13:13:26Z")

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@Hani_Fina - Thank you so much \<3 Haven’t completed 13 yet, though it’s my goal for this month and looking more achievable than I thought, hehe!

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**Progress Report**

**Chapter 12’s writing is finished!!!** Woohoo!!!

I have to do edits and rewriting for bits, but I will be able to complete those today and tomorrow, so on Monday I will be starting Chapter 13 😃

I really enjoyed writing the LI scenes for Chapter 12. I mean, I love writing all the LI scenes, but these were more informational/downtime scenes with some stuff that I know people have been keen to find out, as well as a couple of major progression moments for a couple of the LIs!

Chapter 13 is looking like a nice straight-forward one, and F’s friend scene is in it and that’s gonna be a ton of fun to write, hehe!

So yeah, a real push forward this month already!

Hope everyone has an amazing weekend! 🙂

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**Author:** ![Cari-san](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/cari-san/32/154922_2.png) [@Cari-san](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Cari-san)\
**Post date:** [July 5, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1075 "2019-07-05T17:20:43Z")

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Talking as someone who also smokes here: Imo this isn’t really a habit which needs representation. I dislike it in older movies too when almost every second character smokes in them. The reason why I think too much representation is bad in this case bc it’s easy to make it look for younger audiences like it’ s a “cool” habit. No need to encourage “edginess” by making every “bad guy” type character smoke or drink or have other addictions.  
Tbh I’m not sure if I like in TWC either that M smokes. Bc of the whole being a vampire thing it takes away the seriousness of the consequences there.

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**Author:** ![Seraphinite](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/seraphinite/32/57032_2.png) [@Seraphinite](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Seraphinite)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1077 "2019-07-12T16:35:00Z")

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**Progress Report**

So as some of you may have seen, Chapter 13 has turned into a bit of a bigger chapter than planned 😃

It was supposed to be a more of a linear info/friend sort of scene, but has instead morphed into something with varying scenes at the beginning, then a split LI scene which has two slight versions of each depending on a very small dialogue choice from the early chapters, as well as a varying scene after that based on a choice made a couple of chapters back…

Yeah, I really need to rein my brain in when it comes to writing, hehe!

But saying that, I’m so, so happy with how it’s coming out! The unplanned stuff was actually a surprise to even me, and just kinda came out as I started writing. But it felt so organic and natural to the flow that it just HAD to go in once I started.

And even with all of that added, I should be able to get it finished tomorrow! So major whoo for that!

I will definitely be starting Chapter 14 next week!

So yeah, a great and exciting writing week 😃

Hope everyone has an amazing weekend, and I’ll update you all again next week 🙂

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**Author:** ![Beaterxys](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/beaterxys/32/10238_2.png) [@Beaterxys](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Beaterxys)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1078 "2019-07-12T18:23:32Z")

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> [@Seraphinite](#):
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> Hope everyone has an amazing weekend,

you too

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**Author:** ![AJ\_Hammada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/aj_hammada/32/140841_2.png) [@AJ\_Hammada](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/AJ_Hammada)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1079 "2019-07-17T05:25:11Z")

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Do you know the meaning of the word…“Rest”?

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**Author:** ![Beaterxys](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/beaterxys/32/10238_2.png) [@Beaterxys](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Beaterxys)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1080 "2019-07-17T10:41:22Z")

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> [@AJ\_Hammada](#):
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> Rest

Ah you mean the word that describes weakness.

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**Author:** ![Vyndral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/vyndral/32/173708_2.png) [@Vyndral](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Vyndral)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1081 "2019-07-17T10:41:29Z")

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Vampires don’t Need to sleep.

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**Author:** ![FutbolDude21586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@FutbolDude21586](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/FutbolDude21586)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1082 "2019-07-17T19:28:40Z")

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Zombies either… only weak hoo-manz…

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**Author:** ![Damon\_Ronin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/damon_ronin/32/118035_2.png) [@Damon\_Ronin](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Damon_Ronin)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1083 "2019-07-17T22:39:40Z")

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No rest for the wicked? 😅

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**Author:** ![Okami-Nora](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/okami-nora/32/155006_2.png) [@Okami-Nora](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Okami-Nora)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1084 "2019-07-17T23:23:05Z")

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And money don’t grow on trees.

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**Author:** ![ihauk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/ihauk/32/84900_2.png) [@ihauk](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/ihauk)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1085 "2019-07-17T23:29:04Z")

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is there a changelog in here somewhere?  
other than tumblr

or do i have to scroll the 1059 comments to see them?

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**Author:** ![rose-court](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/rose-court/32/112987_2.png) [@rose-court](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/rose-court)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/the-wayhaven-chronicles-book-two-wip/41524/1086 "2019-07-17T23:43:57Z")

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There isn’t really a changlog, nor has anything been added to this demo.  
Everything Seraphinite talks about we won’t see until the full game, but if you’re interested, you can check out all her comments/weekly updates in this thread by clicking on her icon and hitting “x posts in this thread”. It’ll fillter out everyone’s comments but Sera’s, cutting the thread down to a much more reasonable 68 posts.  
Hopefully her updates will give you an idea of what’s going on with the game!

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