You guys…I think we opened the pandoras box here :joy:
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I’m still convinced one of the members of the Chamber is the mole or work with the Rouges. There has to be an ulterior motive for that whole pointless scene.

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it’s been a while since i last checked this thread. i thought i’m the only one who ended up frustrated with a’s route. i felt so drained after reading a’s route and hated the ending scene. and on m’s route, the alima stuff got me super curious when it was mentioned on her tumblr that there was this one person who’s in love with m but there was no way for me to read the side story because i wasn’t a patron. i think it’s kinda unfair that alima was finally mentioned in book three but there was no explanation as to why m asked about her. i finally got to read the side stories available on patreon, and i think the scene in which alima talked to m at the auction should at least be in the game. for a while i thought maybe i’m the problem for not seeing how great everything was. reading the replies here makes me feel vindicated. :sob:

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When you’re first playing Book 3 and are immersed within the story, you don’t usually think about the logistics of things. However, I agree with those who point out areas where the plot falls flat or scenes that could have been revised and improved. Speaking from my own experience with Book 3, I definitely believe that, while it is interesting to give the player two different options for the outcome of the auction (whether you’re kidnapped or attempting to deceive the auctioneer), one path vastly outweighs the other. The path you take with Rebecca appears to be devoid of danger. There was nothing to be concerned about because the auctioneer thought we were on their side. They believe this despite the fact that they have been playing a mind game with us the entire time. That being said, you can also attribute that behavior to the auctioneer assisting their boss, the Knight, in achieving their goal of quickly gaining the MC’s support.

The path that leads to the protagonist’s capture is more interesting. There is more happening, more at stake, and more to be concerned about. Either the “deceive the auctioneer” route needed more to keep the readers’ attention and engagement, or the “capture the MC” route should have been the default route.

I believe I have mentioned fight scenes before, but I believe they should be more brutally depicted. Especially when Unit Bravo is engaged in combat with the trappers. What baffles me is why these vampires do not fight like vampires. Where is there any mention of blood? Why aren’t they biting their opponents and inflicting scars and trauma on them? This would be an effective way to force the Trappers to find another way to combat vampires by injecting poison into their blood. This ensures that each bite gradually poisons Unit Bravo, which makes sense given their inability to easily beat the trappers.

I also expected the auctioneer fight scene to be more brutal in order to relieve the MC’s emotional tension. It makes no difference whether or not the auctioneer fights back. This person has been playing with us for weeks. The MC can literally blame themselves for the kidnappings; they can cry and become enraged, but I’m supposed to believe we don’t beat this auctioneer bloody? This would also make an interesting scene for the LI or Rebecca to come across. Make Rebecca work hard to prevent us from beating this peon to death (the success of which depends on your relationship with Rebecca).

Vieno and Tapeesa should have been permanently sold, and we don’t get them back until the sixth book. This places additional emotional and mental strain on the MC, potentially leading to the full-fledged breakdown described above. Or, in order to save writing time, perhaps Elidor should have been the only option to capture? I don’t think it was entirely necessary to have three different versions of who was captured. This is due to the fact that it makes little difference. This decision would make more sense if Vieno, Tapeesa, and Elidor joined the fight near the end, if this was a way for them to demonstrate their abilities and skills, or if the auctioneer used one of them as leverage to escape or murdered one of them. As things stand, there’s no significant impact from one being captured over the other. Not to the best of my knowledge.

Mind you, I’m not ragging on the villain in this book. I actually think this villain was better than Falk and the Maa-alused. I didn’t have any problems with Falk in any of my routes, so Book 2’s villains were pretty bland to me. According to the code, they remain bland until Falk attempts to kill you, Rebecca, or something along those lines. Regardless, I view books two and three as fakeouts. They aren’t real villains from my perspective, and Murphy is the better villain so far.

Love Interests

In terms of romances, I mostly enjoyed them. M appears to be a completely different person than they were towards the MC in Book One. That’s a positive improvement.

  • I also liked learning about A’s background and the car scene we had with them. I can’t talk about the kiss scene considering my MC didn’t kiss them. However, I will say that I’m not upset that we can’t be in a committed relationship with A or M. I realize I am in the minority, but I’m perfectly fine with my MCs developing a friendship with each vampire before embarking on a romantic and then sexual relationship. Because there will be seven books, it makes more sense for this progression to happen gradually rather than jumping into a relationship with them without knowing their past, how they were turned into vampires, what their last name is, and so on. I believe I mentioned this before, but our MC and these vampires barely know each other in the game. It’s been about 6 months in the game, and 4 of those months we didn’t even spend quality time with said vampires. It makes sense that M and A are not diving headfirst into a relationship with the MC. Having said that, it’s been 5–6 years? People’s frustration with these routes is understandable, but so is A and M’s romance’s being slow paced.

A and M’s romance definitely seems designed for people who enjoy the thrill of chasing after the person they want. These types of “romances” are depicted in TV shows as them weighing down the other person with their persistence until they persevere.

  • F’s route was pleasant, and movie night was sweet too. Their path is a breeze to deal with, and I like how so far there’s been no drama in their romance. I will say that I would have preferred a better scene between the MC and F after nearly dying during the encounter with Sin. I don’t understand why F’s scene is so tame compared to the others, but I don’t appreciate it from a reader’s perspective.

I believe F’s “conflict” should be assisting the MC in repairing their relationship with Rebecca. They had a great relationship with their own mother, and by not understanding why the MC would have a strained relationship with Rebecca, it makes sense for them to be portrayed as the type of person who would encourage a relationship. The fact that they don’t have an issue viewing the strained relationship between the MC and Rebecca, considering they lost their own mother, is insanity. They make remarks towards M and A all the time; why not make more remarks about this situation?

  • Regarding N, I stand by what I said about them on the LT route. They’re crazy. LMAO! I find it amusing, but they are mentally twisted, and this has been going on since Book 2 of the LT. N, in my opinion, has a facade in place. They are aware of how they want to be perceived by others, but this is not who they truly are on the inside. In my opinion, I like how they are becoming more comfortable showing their other side to the MC and how they are developing more depth.

I’m not sure how anyone could find N’s route boring, but they are crazy, and crazy is never boring to me. That being said, I didn’t get any of the fun stuff because my MC is not dating N. If you were not dating them, the pool scene was especially uninteresting. Instead of N being so chivalrous, I believe they should have gone all out during the pool game. How well we play against them should have been determined by our skill stats. Reading the forum, it appears that I missed the story about N’s family. That being said, I agree that you must approach these romances in a specific manner in order to reap the full benefits. I will say that N’s theatrics, especially in front of the entire team and Rebecca, are pure comedy, but it’s just not the time or place for that. Rebecca’s just in the background, ignoring it and letting N take over the discussion so they can stress in front of everyone.

I haven’t played the LT, so I can’t speak about that.

I also like how the MC can have parallel stories with the LI’s.

  • The MC’s guilt and self-blame for the supernatural people being kidnapped parallel A’s guilt over their family and how they can blame themselves for it.

  • The MC being experimented on by a vampire parallel’s some of M’s backstory.

Rebecca

Rebecca is just…something. She’s something. My MC’s relationships with her range from decent to positive, but on a personal level, I’m hoping for something exciting with her, primarily because she’s so secretive. It wouldn’t surprise me if she secretly hated the agency and had plans to eradicate them all (specifically the chamber members) after her husband’s death. Rook’s death could be the result of a mistake that was made by one of the chamber members. If she’s secretly plotting everyone’s demise and doesn’t want the MC to get caught in the crossfire, that could be the main reason why she didn’t want the MC involved too.

Another contradiction that has been mentioned is Rebecca’s claim that she wants to improve her relationship with the MC without putting in any effort to be there for them during the tough times. For example, she doesn’t even visit the MC after they’re nearly crushed to death. She should’ve had her own scene with the MC, either by default or depending on your relationship status with her. She also should’ve had a scene where the MC could choose to call her when they’re in their office crying. Having said that, the MC also doesn’t put in any effort either, because while Rebecca rarely seeks the MC out or keeps in contact, the MC doesn’t do this at all, not even with the one’s who do have a great relationship and want to elevate their relationship with her despite her being an absentee parent.

Theories and Things to Ponder:

Do you think N could use their mind-control abilities to assist M in dealing with their memories? Maybe N could encourage them to accept their trauma? Maybe N could force Mason to calm down if M lost control of their pheromones?

I am curious if the MC can be affected by the agency’s memory wipe. If the standard memory wipe fails, the agency can modify it to work for the MC. It would be interesting, I believe, if our memories were erased in B5. What if we are given another parallel to M’s backstory, go through something so traumatic in B5 that we can’t function normally, and are offered to have our memories erased? Maybe a plotline about us having our memories erased by force? That would be fun.

Given that the MC’s blood had been altered with vampire blood, it would have been nice if vampire blood could have been used to heal them. A positive side effect from being tortured during Book one.

Sera clearly needs a co-writer, based on the 3,000+ posts I have read on readers experiences with Book 3. I believe @EvilChani has previously stated something similar. Even if the co-writer’s responsibility is to only write the sexual and overly descriptive moments so Sera can focus on the main points of the story, it would be really beneficial for her and the readers. This would be a good way to speed things up significantly. I’ll be leaving similar feedback on the Play Store, Tumblr, and wherever else I need to.

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Really love and appreciate your critiques,I never had anyone to critique what I write so it was really eye opening :slight_smile:

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I’m glad you enjoyed it–I was hoping you wouldn’t take offense. I had written something similar about what I would’ve liked to have seen done and was hoping for the same. Seeing other people’s takes and how they’d adjust things (and why) is always helpful to me! Helps me to keep from getting blinders on when I’m writing, since one bit of critique can make you think when you’re working on a different project.

Because Rebecca is a Mary Sue. Allow her to go along and everything is perfect. Would’ve been more interesting if she had gotten captured like Bobby/Douglas. It would’ve removed her from Mary Sue status and put the success of the whole mission on the MC. Instead, the MC can fail and Mary Sue Mummy still succeeds.

Also, I agree about Tapeesa/Vieno. The MC has literally spoken to them twice. Losing their shit over them–and worse, some rando–makes no sense.

As for your takes on the LIs… eh, I disagree. Things have dragged on enough with M and A. It’s repetitive and infuriating. If the MC were given the option to walk away, fine, then drag it on. But we don’t have that option, so it’s time to wrap this shit up. We’re not getting any younger and she’s not getting any faster writing the damned series.

Waiting another 3-4 years to get a repeat of b3 for M and A (progress that is immediately retconned) is a fucking insult. If that’s what some players want, give it to them, but give the rest of us an option to behave like adults and resolve it.

Especially considering she flat out said M would have realized they’re in love in chapter 14 had the MC been allowed to say they love M!

Speaking of M, there was an ask today about Alima…

I wonder how many other things she has planned to happen with M before they’re allowed to realize they’re in love with the MC. Apparently, the MC won’t be allowed to say it until that time. And, if they are, I’m curious to see if she proves herself a liar with the whole, “Oh, M would have realized it if the MC said it!” by allowing the MC to say it and having M freak out. At this rate, we’ll be lucky to get M realizing in b6.

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The problem with that last statement is that this isn’t what’s happening in the books! A and M already had the hots for you before you even knew each other names. A was emotionally and M was sexually, and where people take issue with is that Sera needs to regress their characters and progress to keep the “angst” going.

I would have loved A route more if it was a reasonable slow burn like them actually going from rival to friends to lovers, instead of these weird mind games their playing with themselves and the detective. Then for M, she continues to keep them dumb as hell to insure that we don’t get into a relationship with them until she wants us to???

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When I complain about “plot-driven drivel”, this is precisely what I mean.

When you have to retcon previous events to pretend that what happened didn’t happen, are forced write characters in ways that contradict who they are, and (in a choice game) forcefully remove an option for the sole purpose of preventing progress when you, the author, don’t want it to happen because you decided things will happen a certain way even if it means twisting the narrative and characters to suit that plan, you are writing plot-driven garbage.

People should be angry when they see her tumblr post stating that she had to insert an interruption because, otherwise, M would’ve known they’re in love and things could’ve kept progressing. Instead, she took it out, then proceeded to write the last several chapters with M basically admitting love for the MC, anyway, only to tell us that’s not what happened and M is still a fucking moron.

And now, with today’s ask about Alima, we see one reason for it. Gotta get that angst in there! And she couldn’t have it there if the MC and M were already together, because then the MC wouldn’t give a shit about that purple eye-lashed twat. Had I to bet, that’s not the end of the list of utter bullshit she is delaying M’s realization for. There’s a long list, and until we get slapped with every goddammed one of them, she’ll keep M stupid and acting like an asshole.

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Oh, hell… Will Xiulan be forced to angst because a man with whom he shares a bed occasionally was involved with another woman? If she deliberately added a fuckbuddy dynamic, why not own up on it?

Because there isn’t a fuckbuddy dynamic, there is a one-sided fuckbuddy situation. With the options that the game provides us, isn’t allowed for the detective to NOT fall in love with M and be happy with the no-strings relationship.

So even if you want to roleplay as someone who isn’t interested in getting into a relationship with M, and you say something like “I don’t care about Alima”, probably the narrative of the game will be something like “You SAY you don’t care, but you feel a pang of jealousy inside you every time you think about M and her”

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And, at the same time, there’s no option for us to have our MC do anything to speed up M wanting more than no strings. And the one option that could’ve resolved it was given then ruined by the author. Intentionally. Just so she can fuck over M-mancers for another book or two.

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And there’s the rub, isn’t it? It was the best possible moment. M had just invited the MC into a part of their life that was important to them, allowed the MC to stand by them (and held their hand, ffs), and it was the absolute most perfect time for M to realize it if the MC had decided to share their feelings.

Makes me wonder what her idea of the perfect moment is. Probably something fucking stupid. More likely, the “perfect moment” is just “I don’t want M-mancers to get M loving them until b5, so fuck off!”

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Judging about how most of the romances in this story seem to progress it will undoubtedly come from some sort of conflict. I hope it isn’t going to be some cliche the MC gets taken and M blurts out they love them (Or vice versa) but it could very well be. I somewhat hope that her bringing attention to Alima is going to serve a narrative purpose and she’ll act as some sort of big reveal about the Ro’s that causes some sort of fight or something. But you are right, both A and M both had perfect moments during this story for the romance to officially start but it was completely wasted on both sides.

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Didn’t we have this in b3 minus M saying the words? Before going to meet the auctioneer, we have M coming to the MC and saying they can’t do without them. They tell the MC they’d give more than they thought they ever would for them. We had the MC taken, and M didn’t come right out and say it. If it requires the MC to be taken again, or for M to be taken again–after the feelings have already been expressed by M–it will be… ridiculous isn’t a strong enough word.

All this crap she keeps handing about it being “so amazing and worth it!” is a load of garbage. She’s dragging things on needlessly just because she can.

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I think the word you’re looking for is Angsty~

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That word invokes a great deal of rage in me now.

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I was thinking how nice would be to have some “reversed” route for M and A. Like, with M the detective is happy with keeping casual with M, but M suddenly feels like they want more. Or a detective who is over A’s bullshit and is like “Ok, you musn’t, I get it. So let me live my life, thank youu”, and then A realizes that they can’t let the detective go.

It would be a nice change of pace, but I know this never is going to happen, just remembering how we are guilt-tripped if we don’t start a relationship with N…

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Tbh the perfect moment would have been when they were helping mc with their injuries in their room. Maybe not the shower part as mc wasn’t clothed so that’s kinda an icky situation but yeah idk it has to be built up to be a “Big Moment” apparently…

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That would’ve been awesome. To actually have choices that matter in a choice game instead of what fucking clothes your paper doll gets to wear (my MC doesn’t like any of the choices, for what it’s worth).

I thought a good time for M to start realizing things would be after the slam pig comment in the bakery. Like, they felt terrible about it whether or not the MC did and the MC is allowed to avoid them until M goes to the MC to apologize. And tell them they didn’t mean it, but… (because they still don’t get it yet)… then willingly and gladly help at the blood drive flyer thing to make it up to them. That would’ve meant something. Then work up to the scene in chapter 14, giving the MC a choice between telling M they love them (and M realizing and returning the sentiment) or not, then have M say it anyway at the end of b3, with the MC having the option to hold back or go for it.

But that wouldn’t have allowed her to drag it on for another book or two, would it? Can’t have that!

For A, my MC was ready to tell him to go figure his shit out and get on with her own life by the bakery scene there. All the pulling away… enough is enough. Give that option by the date scene, like @Francisco_Teixeira suggested. And that would make A realize they can’t let them go, like you said.

But, again, can’t have that because it has to drag on for another book or two or three!

I really do think she refuses to have A or M humble themselves with the MC, or to be vulnerable. The MC has to chase incessantly, get shit on, then go chase some more.

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