The Wayhaven Chronicles: Book Three (WIP -FINAL DEMO)

[Requiem]

@JayeRayce

Yeah but there are certain things you can only really do in your 20s, as the older you get the more responsibility lands at your lap.

Not necessarily but, yes, this is generally true. Doesn’t mean you can’t do that thing you wanted to do at a later date, though.

@JayeRayce

it just feels like I am being left behind in a way

I feel like this all the time. I figure I still have 40 years of life left to enjoy so I’ll do just that in the ways that I can while trying not to stress over the ways I can’t.

@JayeRayce

Personally when N tried to do that to my detective I snapped back, because I don’t like that kind of behaviour, I’ve already have a lot of my life dictated and guided in the pursuit of being safe and I know from first hand experience that safety doesn’t make someone happy if it means sacrificing everything you want to do, life is inherently full of risks so to make someone you care about miserable for the sake of protecting them is just harming them while saying you love them is just the worst kind of thing you can do.

I fully agree. You have a perspective on this that is full of strength and admirable to see.

@JayeRayce

I personally feel like first there needs to be a loss of control, it puts a strain in the relationship, either because both people are scared or one of them (MC) knows they didn’t do that because they wanted to hurt them but the LI is scared they will hurt the MC and it will be that process of having to figure things out of how to move forwards with this situation they now have to face as part of their daily lives and learning to live with it.

This is a great point. I’m all down for seeing a loss of control. This might head too much into the non-lighthearted territory that it sounds like Sera is trying to avoid. But I’d love to see a “breaking” moment, only to come out stronger on the other side.

@JayeRayce

it might be more like they might want to feed from MC every now and then but it will be more asking the MC to do that instead of forcibly trying to feed on MC.

Yes, hehe! This is when the sexy times with biting and intimacy could happen. Wouldn’t be a danger at this point so it could be something that can be indulged in for fun’s sake.

@JayeRayce

Personally I think all my detectives have made the decision that no matter what happens or how it might happen they are with their respective LI as a ride or die situation, they will be with them for however long life lets them and if they can turn into a vampire or some supernatural that will let them be with them longer they will not hesitate to take them.

Sounds like my MC’s, too. Kinda sucks we have to wait until the last book to ride or die with them, but that’s alright. I hope the journey up until that point is a good one.

This does make me curious as to what kind of supernatural Douglas has been turned into. Hope this is explored in Book 4.

[JayeRayce]

@Requiem

This is a great point. I’m all down for seeing a loss of control. This might head too much into the non-lighthearted territory that it sounds like Sera is trying to avoid. But I’d love to see a “breaking” moment, only to come out stronger on the other side.

I mainly want to see something like this because the fortune teller in Book 2 always mentions that the coming darkness may break both of us (MC and their chosen partner), I feel like the coming darkness is whatever big bad we got a tease of at the end of book 3, but I feel like it can also be talking about the inherent difficulties of dating and love between a human and a supernatural and the MCs and their Love Interest specific situation.

I feel like there needs to be some heavy stuff to make the light stuff at the other end of it mean much more, because if we don’t feel it ourselves as we play, if it doesn’t twist our emotions then really how can we feel excited that the characters beat the bad guys, for the most part it is a sure thing that we will beat the bad guys because at the end of the day we are playing a interactive narrative and we can try until we win, so the only real place where we might see a real challenge that emotionally challenges the player is their relationship with their LI of choice.

A hero must have struggles for their happiness to feel earned else it tends to feel like things are just handed over to the character instead of them earning them or really achieving something.

@Requiem

Yes, hehe! This is when the sexy times with biting and intimacy could happen. Wouldn’t be a danger at this point so it could be something that can be indulged in for fun’s sake.

Oh yeah I really can’t wait to see some M feeding sexy times , but seriously I think that it would be cool to see unique stuff like that with intimacy given the unique situation the characters can find themselves in with one of them being a vampire, I imagine each of them might go about things very differently.

@Requiem

This does make me curious as to what kind of supernatural Douglas has been turned into. Hope this is explored in Book 4.

I am really curious and want to see more of Douglas, the kid has grown on me, because I guess I do want to guide him to be a better person, I felt really encouraged when he talked to my detective and I admitted I was afraid but that I would not stop until we found the kidnapping victims, and seeing him look at the board and find his own determination to look for them too and to not stop until they are safe made me really smile.

I want to be the person for him that I wish I had in my life, someone I can rely on to be able to find my own identity, space and purpose, the fact is that I allowed him to stay at my place in book 2 was because I know what it feels like to have parents you just want to run away from but unlike him I don’t have someone I can ask to take me in even for a night, someone who can be an actual mentor to him and not baby him but give him the ability to think for himself and to come to his own decisions, I’d definitely appreciate if he toned the hero worship a bit.

I really find it encouraging for N to comment on how you are a good role model and that you are a good mentor to Douglas, personally I chose for the Agency to convince him to work with us, specially after seeing his determination at the station I felt he was the kind of person the Agency needs to do more good.

[JBento]

@EvilChani

And we probably won’t get the opportunity to ask about them taking a shot during “I Never”, either. Like N-mancers can’t question N on anything that happens.

Madam, communication between partners is not part of this game. In fact, it’s not a part of nearly any CoG game. Sigh, I miss Arcadie’s Cyril ability to not be an emotionally stunted child.

@Requiem

I do know that if you have a High Science detective, they get to discover with M that M’s pheromones directly affect the MC. At least I think this is based on the science skill.

I THINK it’s based on Supernatural Research, but don’t quote me on that.

@parisgracex

I always choose research for N and yet apparently the combat scene is apparently got an extra love scene??

Isn’t the research scene with N the picnic, where you can tell them you love them? That’s certainly a love scene. Or am I mixing scenes?

[Arella]

Shoutout to pet batshit theories, because since I still haven’t done a B3 playthrough yet (replaying 1+2) I am really excited to see whether or not mine will be disproven!! Mine is “dead man’s blood is somehow based on Rook’s blood” which is not only very unlikely, but also I’m pretty sure it’s based on something from Supernatural.

[JBento]

@Arella

“dead man’s blood is somehow based on Rook’s blood”

Dead Man’s Blood is, I shit you not, magic opium - it’s made of special poppies that only grow on Earth, around portals to the Echo World.

@Arella

I’m pretty sure it’s based on something from Supernatural.

Supernatural’s DMB is just real-world folklore’s dead man’s blood - it’s literally the blood of a dead person. The folklore logic is that, because vampires are just human-shaped ticks who drain life force via the blood, using the blood of the dead makes them drain… non-life force, I guess? That’s why folklore says vampires get weakened by it.

[Arella]

Oh, that’s mildly disappointing. I’m choosing to ignore the canon opium and instead say that my dumb theory is right, because I think “dead man’s blood (literally)” is way more dramatic.

[Lucky_Icarus]

So, disclaimer, havent read the book yet(have read 1 and 2). But have read about some stuff that happens. And I gotta say, I think we’ve reached/on the cusp of reaching a point we should legitimately consider THIS. Lots and lots of paperwork for sure, but with some of the fuckery going on…I think it’s become warranted.

[Convicted]

At this point that fire arm probably gonna save more lives than the stun batons and taser.

[JBento]

I actually cannot think of a single situation in B3 where a gun would’ve made things better*, except if you want to empty several clips into A, which, fair.

*this is, by far, the most realistic thing about Wayhaven

[bored92]

DMB bullets would had easily took care of Murphy but nooooo, we gotta keep him alive at the end of B1.

[JBento]

There are a great deal many, many, MANY ways to kill not!Murphy available to us. The reason you can’t kill not!Murphy is “because plot”, not “because no gun”.

[Convicted]

I’d rather knee cap a trapper then be at a constant disadvantage with with the people who’s purpose is capturing supernaturals and are actively developing tech to eliminate bravo from the equation

[JBento]

@Convicted

then be at a constant disadvantage

This is not a thing that you have. I have 0% in Combat, and I still beat Trappers with a numerical advantage on a regular basis. Trappers are a nothingburger except when The Plot demands them to be, in which case they’d still be a threat regardless of gun, because Plot

Regardless, it’s moot: if you weren’t allowed to use a gun during the parts of the game where you were a Detective (and you weren’t), you definitely aren’t going to be allowed to now that you’re not, as the Agency has a strict no-kill policy.

(also, everyone’s “but if I had a gun” takes are adorable, because the only reason Trappers don’t have guns is the same as why we have no gun, and Trappers with guns are actually dangerous, unlike the “halfwit with highly unstable cattleprod” version we get now)

[JayeRayce]

@JBento

Dead Man’s Blood is, I shit you not, magic opium - it’s made of special poppies that only grow on Earth, around portals to the Echo World.

Something I’ve really been wondering about is if you can travel both ways between our world and the Echo World, since we sort of hear that F found their way to our world.

[JBento]

Echo portals are one-way only, except in a single event that Sera has mentioned in the tumblr that, IIRC, the Agency knows nothing about. As far as the Agency knows, coming to Earth is a one-way trip, no refunds, and as far as Echolians go, portals to other worlds are mythic legends used to explain mysterious disappearances.

EDIT: Portals also seem to only work for humanoid supernaturals.

[JayeRayce]

Interesting, I was always sort of wondering about that mainly because we know about the Echo World because of the Echolians arriving on Earth, I wonder if the opposite happens as well.

What would count as Humanoid enough to come across a portal, would a centaur count or would they be not humanoid enough, mainly my questions at this point come from my scientific curiosity, mainly about what makes something part of a category, mainly my desire to categorize and determine what is what in terms of the supernatural.

I would be such an egghead if the supernatural was real lol

[JBento]

@JayeRayce

would a centaur count

A search for “centaur” in the tumblr gives me exactly ONE ask, and the answer appears to be “not humanoid enough”.

If you really want to learn all about echo portals, you can search the tumblr for “portal” in the box at the right hand side (it says “SEARCH…” in faded letters), for everything that Sera has said about it. If your goal is

@JayeRayce

scientific curiosity

you might be disappointed - I read a couple of pages of the “portal” search, and I think Sera is extremely winging it (this SOUNDS like I’m criticising her, but I’m not - commiting to things she didn’t need in the game yet is a bad move, because besides the wasted effort then she might hit a situation where it’d be useful for stuff to work the other way and then she either couldn’t use it or would have to contradict herself, neither of which is a good option).

[JayeRayce]

Oh yeah I doubt she has written all there is to write apart from what is needed, since it would be too time consuming, but mainly I’ve always been fascinated with the idea of non-human alien lifeforms, be it supernatural or extra-terrestrial I am incredibly interested in learning, categorising and studying it.

Like it said it is scientific curiosity, mostly from my compulsions to know everything I can about anything, you’d think that given how I like to know everything I can I would read the Agency Files on Unit Bravo, but I never actually have done that funny enough.

[JBento]

@JayeRayce

I would read the Agency Files on Unit Bravo, but I never actually have done that funny enough.

Congratulations on not being a creepy creep!

Like, the only file you can check is your RO’s. We have a name for that, and it’s “cyberstalking”.

[Mosie]

I love exploring the world and whatnot, especially when I’m invested, but I do agree that Sera shouldn’t put too much on the plate if she doesn’t plan to use the information at all (meaning she can use that time elsewhere) or not in the near future (alas she could contradict herself, like she might have done with Rebecca not knowing the details about Rook’s demise but apparently she does so ??)

Regarding the file thingy, I never take a peek because idk I don’t feel comfy snooping, but I will say that I would have liked for there to be some additional info. Alas you get “rewarded” with what your snooping ass was looking for, but at the same time you get punished for it when your RO finds out.
Making it so that you don’t find anything, only getting punished, doesn’t encourage you to try different options while replaying (if that makes sense)