Please make it easier to master $stuff. Btw I had edict and on other mastery but once I said to fight samodai it auto had m cornered. Can he be beaten?
Talon, you’re not supposed to fight Samodai, he has you outgunned, he’s been sucking up power from his priests and worshippers, and you have to keep the princess safe which means you have one hand tied behind your back.
So do the smart thing and run, which is why the game specifically tells you it’s the smart thing, that was a hint.
IDGAF NO-ONE AND I MEAN NO-ONE MAKES TALON RUN. Also since the new update I can’t take strolls wIt people. They all say no. Walkthrough for Namah and Makeda please.
Met the jinni Qutub and brightened a solitary entombment.
Fled from the jinni Samodai who manifested as a bronze colossus.
Broke the possession of a mortal by the jinni Fasad.
Defeated the jinni Vineah in battle.
Birthed the songs of songs to celebrate love.
Created the wisdom of Solomon for the betterment of mortal man.
Completed the Fourth Task with your existence still intact.
can you hook up with Diyya?
So he’s a so called “perfect” entity but needs to entertain himself by creating little imperfect copies of himself so that he can watch them suffer for teh lulz. A perfect being could not create an imperfect world because doing so by accident would mean the being made mistakes, and doing it on purpose would mean the being was dissatisfied with “perfection” and therefore not actually perfect. It all comes down to one basic fact. Belief. The only way to believe in a perfect deity is to not think about it and just believe. You can only believe that a perfect deity created an imperfect world where little children are allowed to suffer and die. Attempt to argue it with reason and it will fall apart in an instant. In this case, God is just the world’s most successful dictator, because he’s actually gotten everyone to honestly believe that he’s got their best interests at heart despite all reason.
This is the flaw with the world. You can’t create a plausible world in which a truly perfect being truly and unquestionably exists, because we can barely even conceive of what perfection actually entails.
And for whoever mentioned D&D pantheons, or any pantheon. They are by their nature, imperfect. That’s why there are so many of them. The Judeo-Christian God is something on an entirely different level.
Seriously, shoelip, how have you managed to mistake this for a therapy group?
Has anyone asked what your religious beliefs are here? It’s not relevent, and it’s not interesting.
And now I have to clean my computer screen because of your foaming at the mouth.@stsword I’m just trying to explain why it’s so hard to take this gameworld seriously despite the excellent writing. It’s just internally inconsistent. I don’t mean to make you feel so bad that you have to launch personal attacks… Though I suppose that’s an inevitable side effect. I guess this line of discussion is unlikely to go anywhere productive…
Shoelip, I’m an agnostic deist. If a divine intelligence exists, I know I honestly don’t know what it’s like.
Despite that I'm not offended by In Nomine or Ars Magica, in which judea-islam-christianity is demonstratably true and pantheism is wrong.
Likewise I'm not offended by Scion, in which pantheism is demonstratably right and monotheism is patently untrue.
Nor am I offended by Armageddon, in which both are true at the exact same time.
Nor am I offended by the upcoming Godmachine Chronicles, in which it turns out the supreme being is, as the name suggests, a machine.
Nor am I offended by works in which no religion is true.
Nor am I offended by works in which gods are nothing more than the personification of human belief, or works in which gods are just humans with superpowers.
Nor works in which God is evil, or works in which the supreme being is less sapient than a dog.
Because my religious believes are in no way relevant to a piece of fiction.@Gadriel Thank you. That helped, and the problem is fixed. 
@Talon5505 No, you cannot defeat Samodai in Rabath. The theme of Part 1 is vanity, and being too proud to run in that situation leads to loss. As for romance, if its Namaah and Makeda, take the opportunities to speak with them, be nice to them, and do not do things to help their relationships with Solomon.
@RoseQueenKamijo Sorry, it is not possible to romance Diyya, but I am currently writing romance paths for two jinn: Vineah and Samodai.
@Shoelip As Havenstone so very well put it, do not think of the God in the game as perfect. A powerful being, but by no means perfect. When I said a perfect being can create imperfect things, I did not mean to imply the God in the game was perfect (I was actually talking about the real world, but that’s a minefield, too). This is exactly why God will not appear in the game; I hesitate to think how people would react…
I write to entertain (and hopefully to sell), not to comment on anyone’s religion. Read my work to be entertained, and don’t feel it has any higher meaning than that. It doesn’t.
In any case, let’s keep all comments in this thread civil. I’d hate to have it banned.
could you put up another link when the jinni romances are done?
@Roslyn_samalt06 Sure, but I’ve just finished the Samodai path, so it won’t be too soon.
yes! how long is the writing if i might ask?
@Roslyn_samalt06 I’m not sure. Depends on inspiration. I need to come up with scenes that seem natural for Vineah. Sometimes it isn’t easy. Samodai was just as hard, then the muse came, and I wrote it all in two hours. Certainly on the weekend though, because I want to be working on Part 4 by then.
I guess Somodai just isn’t your type then, Tenryu.
Oh just thought of something, you said the game ends when you go back to the celestial courts, which means we won't get to play that rematch Somodai offered us.
Bad Tenryu, no cookie for you!@Shoelip, I agree that “we can barely even conceive of what perfection actually entails,” and for me it makes it easier to suspend disbelief. The rest of your case against God is built on some very specific ideas on what perfection does and does not entail. And don’t get me wrong, they’re interesting, reasonable, morally appealing ideas – but if we allow that it’s (at best) very, very hard understand what “good” would mean when we take it to infinity, that opens up some space for those ideas to be wrong. Enough, I’d have thought, to allow at least as much suspension of disbelief as you’d give any other religious setup in a gameworld.
“Attempt to argue it with reason and it will fall apart in an instant” – a lot of things we take for granted turn out to have the same problem. The philosopher Kant made a very thorough case that when we try to use pure reason to come to grips with metaphysical problems, we end up proving opposite things (e.g. that God does and does not exist, that we do and don’t have free will, that the universe is infinite and finite). While I’m not sure of Kant’s examples, I think the overall thrust of his argument is correct; push reality too far in any direction, and you start hitting paradoxes and antinomies that our brains weren’t built to handle. The correspondence between reality and rationality holds well for everyday life, but starts to fray at different scales. Again, this can be helpful with suspension of disbelief.
@tenryu, don’t worry, the discussion’s been civil, and we’re many miles from mod intervention… but if you’d be happier with less discussion of the topic, just say so and we’ll take it elsewhere. It’s your thread.
Ah, yes, “Intuitions without concepts are blind”, after all, as Kant famously noted on that matter, @Havenstone
@Havenstone, @Drazen, Having been raised christian myself, I find y’alls discussion fascinating, to say the least. It’s always interesting getting another view of something you grew up to take for granted. Anyway, I thought I’d toss an interesting article here that discus’s this very topic.
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/an-imperfect-god/
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
@stsword Hah, no, he isn’t, but I still need to give him a compelling storyline, which he now has (the beginnings, anyway). It’s not easy coming up with slightly inhuman yet sympathetic personalities, lol. Sadly, you don’t get to see a second battle with Samodai.
@Havenstone That’s good to hear about mod intervention. I’ve been on forums where the slightest whiff of a personal attack/flame war and wham, ban-hammer on everything. As for discussion, I’m happy to have it here. As I said, it’s a story based on religion and is sure to draw some religious comment. I just don’t want it to descend into a flame war.
@fantom That’s an excellent article, thank you. It describes the Abrahamic God quite nicely. Powerful, yet not all-powerful and certainly not omniscient, and so, in no way ‘perfect.’ The idea of a perfect god is a modern one, brought about by Christianity and Islam.
@Bagelthief God is full of contradictions… that’s clear from the bible and mythic stories. Thing is the notion of God as God is also a ‘modern’ one. The Abrahamic faith has several names for God, the Islamic faith has ninety-nine names/titles for Allah, and so on.
I like the idea of a quantum god, that god both exists and does not exist in our universe. We won’t know which it is until we open the box that is our reality.