It can still be tighter though, I think mr. Gray and Flash droid could safely wear the ones where you’re required to ditch the underwear altogether and need either a tailor’s help or inhumanly dexterous fingers to get into.
Why not, I mean it’s not like the gameworld can get any more screwed-up right? It would be frigging hilarious and on the positive side they’d see that even the pre-fall humans were less than perfect in their writings.
To my best understanding it doesn’t actually pop out of nowhere and it doesn’t come unbidden, they still need to search the Upper Brain for it, much like we can Google things.
You’d best ask some 17th century French aristocrats that question, but I suppose the answers would be fashion and sexy.
Anyway have some old pics of Gackt to see just how tight it can get and then imagine it with far too handsome and pretty (m)androids who don’t actually need circulation down there.
It appears as if the time-machine will be useful after all.
Annnd like most of the side-tracks I somehow end up side-tracking myself from the side-track back to the original-track:
How advanced is (or was, really) Technomancy? I know that it can essentially create life (i.e. Ariadne, Vitruvian, and the MC.) But how far do its powers extend? Could it have, hypothetically, actually created a time machine? Is it that powerful? Or not so much?
Nah, the upper brain is the storage of that knowledge and transferres it to the Thinkers brain only when needed. As soon as the information isn’t needed anymore it basically gets deleted from the MC’s brain until it’s needed again and the upper brain transfers it again.
I was more thinking if it was the case that the knowledge came unbidden (regarding more conscious knowledge like how technology works, and not calculations of how to throw molotows like the demo), then it would be hard on the MC.
Oh, well I interpreted needed as “when the Thinker’s brain sends a request to the upper brain”, so it didn’t even occured to me that this knowledge could come unbidden. Though, the question is at what point does it count as request? Already when MC just wonders about the function of certain technology? Considering they are optimized for that use I doubt that the knowledge would in anyway overwhelm them.
I think the mc has a limited database of scientific knowledge and a basic education (well hugely advanced considering the state of humanity now) in things like math, physics chemistry etc, stored within themselves somehow, but for anything more they’d need to scour the Upper Brain. I could be wrong of course.
Further education in the Thinker’s intended role and specialty would likely have come in that second data burst our mc didn’t receive.
So regarding flight they might know that it is physically and technically possible to build a machine that allows humans to fly, but they’d probably still need to search either the upper brain for old schematics of how to actually build the things or design them from scratch.
A TARDIS? I wouldn’t be surprised if Arinthas were a Timelord, tbh. He is a madman with a magic box…
And I smell a time paradox. Or… wait. They aren’t precisely the same people, but none of them would exist if Flash hadn’t been Forged… Is that enough of a similarity to cause a time paradox if the various MCs were to interact?
For the record, all I know about time paradoxes is what I learned from MGS3, so I could simply sound like a silly person right now.
Y’know… If you squint hard enough - and use a little pixie dust- you could probably pretend that it becomes sort of like a more… extreme version of the play within the play The Taming of the Shrew.
Actually, I imagine that it’d simply serve to reinforce that they’re currently on the right track, especially if it’s the one of the only real… complete examples (I suppose) of pre-Fall literature. And if there are few things to compare and contrast it to/with… Well. It would be the example of perfection.
Oh my god, this is all sort of weirdly meta… People nowadays base books and plays and such on Shakespeare stuff - like AU fanfic. 50 Shades is an AU fanfic of Twilight… which is an AU of Romeo and Juliet (which is a cover of Tristan and Isolde, iirc). If E.L. James is Shakespeare in this scenario… Does she give birth to herself?
Going even further… The MC is an AU of Flash. Sort of. Definitely?
…ugh, there’s a lot of gold in that paragraph, isn’t there?
It worked for Buffalo Bill, didn’t it?
…hmm… I’m feeling inspired all of a sudden…
But, in relation to the game… Socialite MC can probably just change their skin to make it look like they’re wearing pants. So… maybe?
…eh, Jareth the Goblin King’s tights at least seem tighter. There’s a reason David Bowie’s crotch gets second billing, after all.
I really do like the entire top bit of the second ensemble. The designs and the ruffles and everything, I mean.
Also…
Um, @Moreau, I’d meant to ask this when the topic tilted more towards Ariadne and such - before David Fincher made a guest appearance and so on- but I’m still curious.
The whole “Ariadne writes Harlequin novels” was (sort of, but not really) a joke, but would keeping a journal or something like that be a thing for her? Since her mind’s scattered - or…the pieces of her minds, poor thing- and collecting one’s thoughts on paper is such a human thing to do…
And… Vitruvian was found in such a condition to suggest he was writing… something, right? I’m guessing he writes things down that he doesn’t wish to completely forget before wiping his brain?
Societal pressures in the far-distant future? Meh.
Megastructures that fold matter to such a punishing degree that the human sense of scale is made redundant by the raw power of science? Maybe I’ll get to it later…
Tight trousers? I need to respond to this right now!
Where to start here…?
That is a plan more demonic than any I could come up with. I mean… Fifty Shades of Literary Acceptance? You monster.
“I used to be a writer, REEEEEEE!”
Well… Arinthas already seems to have the ability to slow time to a crawl selectively…
I would say that time machines likely exist, but they only go back as far as the date they were turned on (thus preventing one layer of paradoxes).
Nuggets as big as your fist.
The Concubine’s powers probably work best when they are naked, so I suppose that’s one way to go…
That would make sense. Ariadne has a great deal of difficulty communicating with others, so she would likely reach out to any aid she could. Written prose might be a more unburdened way of speaking where she can record her thoughts with less confusion than spoken dialogue.
Also, when she was trying to get a more nuanced point across to someone with little success, she could thrust a leaf of paper into their hands and try to get them to infer what she’s feeling from reading it…
Awww…
I want to hug a robot…
Pretty much. Its all written in Vitruvian’s ‘recall’ language, which is a self-invented language he made that was designed so that Vitruvian could learn it easily. It makes no sense to others, but with time and effort Vitruvian can learn the knowledge his past self deemed important enough to tell him.
Talk about your unreliable narrators, though… What has Vitruvian been doing for thousands of years?
One of the fun things about being a noble is the fancy pants and boots and shirts, okay well just having far too expensive clothing and jewelry I guess.
Oh, but now you’re talking about tights, a special kind of trouser entirely. Yes those can go even tighter than anything that even pretends to be a normal pair of trousers. But then you get men in tights, not that I’d be complaining about that but it did mean that you had me comparing apples to oranges back there if you were talking about things like this:
Seams as though you’re positively bursting with excitement to address this particular topic.
…so…
Could there be a machine that’s been on since… Say… Before the Fall…
Could one be hidden somewhere?
She and I would get along swimmingly, then.
ah! And as she waits for them to read, she’s a ball of anxiety, 'cause what if they can’t understand?
…I wanna hug her, too.
Have circumstances ever forced him to erase his memories before he can record all the important things?
I just called them tights 'cause they’re tight. The nuances of leg…wear… differences tend to escape me when faced with something as impressive as the Bulge of Bowie.
…they tend to escape me regardless, but David Bowie distracts.
…starring Cary Elwes?
…But, if you wish to further educate me on the differences between the varying types of tight bottom wear - pictures included- I… Am a receptive student.
Absolutely, what’s the point of the noble path without lavish and overwrought descriptions of floral codpieces and elaborate Jacobean Ruffs?
I should image it’s a lot easier to compare apples and oranges if they’re stuffed into tights…
In theory, yes. In practice the ‘machine’ would need to be large enough and powerful enough that it could swing a very large black hole around itself at very high speeds as if it were a cosmic yo-yo, so it’s not stuffed into a desk drawer somewhere…
Oranges in tights? And I saw something about codpieces?
…getting ready for a bit of the old ultraviolence, are we?
But if he didn’t record things before deleting them, how would he know he-
… oh, you.
Also, so…
Are there snippets of his scribblings spread throughout the Rings, then? If there are, and they’re close enough to “civilization” that people would come across any, what do folks tend to make of 'em since they can’t read the language and all?
There are legends and stories throughout the history of the Rings that involve Vitruvian. If Male or Androgyne characters name themselves ‘Raijin’ they are unwittingly being named in honour of one of Vitruvian’s past selves, which is a very exciting story that I will save for another time.
As to his own records, there is a breadcrumb trail of shrines, hidden temples and places of seclusion that contain Vitruvian’s ‘writings’ that are waiting to be rediscovered, and the full picture of his past selves will be revealed.
Has anyone ever actually done it? Gone back in time? If these machines are Pre-Fall… then could someone hypothetically use the machine to prevent the Fall?
Or wait- here’s a weird idea. Could the whole grandpa paradox happen?
If the MC were to find one of these machines and somehow get it operating could they, hypothetically, go back in time to prevent Flash from ever being captured, effectively erasing their existence since they were never “born” to begin with, but then entering the paradoxical grandpa loop of “how could you go back in time to kill your grandfather because if you killed your grandfather you would never have been born to kill your grandfather so your grandfather doesn’t die and you’re born and you then kill your grandfather, meaning you were never born so you could never have killed your grandfather which means…” (ad infinitum).
Presumably lots, however under one interpretation of theoretical physics all that would accomplish is to create an alternate timeline where the fall never happened while leaving this one intact, after all, according to that same theory, there’s an infinite number of possible timelines.
Good to know you’ve got your priorities straight.
I like the leather bottoms too, but I agree if “Lord” Flash gets to wear those sorts of outfits most of the time it’s gonna be a grand ball the noble path, dashing outfits and gorgeous guys and all.
They built Ringworlds, broke the Light-Barrier, were able to distort reality at their whims, even building artificial holes in space-time allowing them to travel back in time to the moment of the machine’s inception.
What else do we know?
Something went wrong. Reality was altered. The rules of the Universe… broke. The sundering of physical reality had such far-reaching and catastrophic effects that the Human Hegemony utterly collapsed.
Given these disparate pieces of information (which may not be related in any way), are you sure you want to risk using this ancient, ill-maintained and most certainly dangerous technology?
More to the point, did someone already make the attempt?
That’s… Extremely interesting (and super neat, but let’s not let me go full dork mode.) I’m eager to hear the story… And to see how radically different (or similar…?) this iteration of Vitruvian may be.
Is Vitruvian aware of this particular past self - or, at least, that he’s carried that name before? If he is - or, since I’m assuming he’s not, if he were aware - what does/would he think of Raijin MC having that name?
Also… Do any of the other preset names have in-universe significance, too?
Heh… Grand ball… On the noble path. I see what you did there- no need to dance around it. But, careful, those balls aren’t exactly all fun, yeah? Lots of politics, lots of assassinations (character, mostly, but the other kind,too) one too many instances of street magicians being fed into ancient magic boxes… The MC won’t exactly be able to party and flirt and more unfêtered, y’know?
But… Wait. Balls… Gorgeous guys… Leather bottoms? It’s like you’re holding a giant flashing arrow, pointing out the ridiculously low hanging fruit. D’you want someone to grasp it?
And if they succeeded, who’s to say that they’d even be able to find and pluck the wings off the butterfly that caused this hurricane?
…could their traveling back to the past -if they tried/succeeded/whatever- have been the thing to cause everything to boil over? Do we create ourselves?
Or else the poor MC’s brain would be pretty overloaded at times I guess.
