Politics Thread


#1462

I have to agree that it wasn’t a tsunami, but that is media overhype in general for you.

One thing I think that was also an interesting sign is how many governorships actually changed hands. This is going to have an effect when the national census is taken and redistricting is done…and yes, this means we will hear news of lawsuits, etc. as the parties in charge try to maximize their personal benefit.


#1463

Florida, Florida, Florida.

Once again the Republicans benefit from the mistakes of an election ballot that was screwed up beyond repair - this time they didn’t need the courts to verify the screw up for what it was.

For the west coast, it was a Tidal Wave - California no longer has a republican stronghold and you can almost (one republican county in Washington disrupting this) go from the border of Canada to the Mexican border without leaving Democratic controlled seats.


#1464

Media can’t seem to decide whether to undersell or oversell.

This one has probably made an appearance here before, but it’s always true.


#1465

So Andy Serkis decided to poke fun of Brexit;

In other news, the EU court has ruled that UK can cancel Brexit without member states’ consent. This is promising to be a disaster.


#1467

Hey @P_Tigras maybe you really do need to start a new and saner conservative party in the US then the current Republican party is, according to this article. And of course Wisconsin and Walker are mentioned unfavourably a couple of times in there as well, poor @TSSL .


#1469

Why it would be a disaster to just cancel Brexit ? It will save lots of argument, blaming and money …

I meant if one want to cancel a decision, won’t it be easy just to cancel it than to go through another of political process ?


#1470

I think the disaster part comes when you tell people that you’re going to hold a binding referendum, and then when the result is something you don’t like/is too difficult to work out, you just cancel it. Regardless of the pros or cons of Brexit itself, that’s going to piss people off.


#1471

Brexit can be done for England/Albion the problem is that they tied up the Northern Irish peace process in with the EU and didn’t care to think that through before the referendum, because Cameron gambled on coalition 2.0 where one of the LibDems demands would most surely have been no referendum, so he could both promise it to regressive, recalcitrant Tory backbenchers while not having to actually organize one and being able to blame that on his LibDem Coalition partners and thus get the best of both worlds in his estimation.
Then in a stunning Producers-esque “Springtime for Hitler” situation the Tories somehow managed to win outright. And well the Brits got into the mess they are now as a result of that. Really why “piggy diddler” Cameron is not the most hated man in the UK right now eludes me.

That being said there is no reason why different parts of a country cannot have a different status vis-a-vis the EU. We actually have a negotiated regime for our Dutch and the French Carribean possesions where it is relatively easy to change their EU-inclusion status. Of course if the Brits want in on that regime it would only be fair to give Scotland another, separate EU referendum too, because a big reason for the Scots to vote to stay with the UK was staying in the EU…so now that Brexit is going to take them out against their will I’ve suddenly got a lot more sympathy for Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP.


#1472

We have one. It’s the Libertarian party. It’s the biggest third party in America, but that’s pretty faint praise all things considered.


#1473

The thing is people didn’t know what they were getting into when the Brexit vote took place. There was so much misinformation, big claims. I myself despite being a politics student didn’t vote due to that reason. But the fact that a call for a second referendum is now so loud only goes to show the problem with direct democracy in my opinion. Everyone has opinions, few are truly informed enough to make rational, informed decisions. That’s why mps making decisions, well it’s far from perfect, but can you think of anything less worse? So in my view it just shows how fucked the political landscape in the UK is, and how inefficient and pathetic our politicians are. I don’t want to rant too much, but here’s what’ll happen, here’s my educated guess. There’ll be a second referendum, remain will win, the middle class elites, politicians, journalists etc will continue to Blame Brexit on bigotry and racism, and declare the remain vote winning dismisses the concerns and issues that lead people to vote Brexit as bigoted, hateful, racist, Nazi nonsense. This’ll piss Brexiters and a lot of other people off, and of corse damage racial and religious tensions even further, then there’ll be a similar event to the London riots, one too many terrorist attacks will occur, one too many racist attacks will happen, then we’ll have even bigger riots than ever before. But hey, I’m a misanthropic pessimist, so don’t quote me on this xd.


#1474

Libertarians are not necessarily conservatives, what they are is an economic (and social) disaster and on behalf of my country I apologize that we inflicted that historical scourge on the world, because for a large part what would morph into modern libertarianism had its roots in our so-called “golden age” and the VOC mentality. :unamused:


#1475

#1476

So, Corbyn supposedly mouthed ‘stupid woman’ during Prime Minister’s questions today after an exchange with Theresa May over Brexit. I’m not a Corbyn fan, some may call me a Corbyn hater, but even though this sounds biased, I believe that he said ‘stupid woman’, instead of ‘stupid people’.

Skip to around the 00:10 mark to see it. Also, despite some people calling his comments ‘sexist’ (controversial opinion ahead!) just because he was saying ‘stupid woman’ about Theresa May, it doesn’t mean that he was being sexist. He was just being rude to Theresa May by calling her ‘stupid.’


#1477

Agree with pretty much all of that :slight_smile: Corban hates jews, not women, everyone knows that duh!:stuck_out_tongue: But Andrea Ledsham brought up her case with Bercow the speaker of the house calling her the same. So one has to wonder if this will gain the attention that case did? In a recentish spectator e news letter I read it said that Corban is down in the polls-the voting intentions poll, where as Theresa was up in a Recent one(think it was the credible leader one? Was different to the voting intention one anyhoo). It can be debated how reliable polls are, but with the formentioned jewish controversy surrounding Jeremy Corban he really needs to avoid headlines like this. I doubt she will, but if done right Theresa May could really use this to damage him further, even if just by a little.


#1478

Yeah, if he does keep this up the will be a couple of possible bad scenarios for him.

  • The Labour Party will kick him out of his leader spot.

  • Despite the Labour Party not kicking him out, a lot of people will hate him and he won’t here ‘Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!’ as often or perhaps not at all. So therefore, Labour’s chances of getting in charge would be absolutely destroyed.


#1479

But who will they replace him with? Another “centrist” Blairite with all the charm of a wet rag? Can’t see that working out too well for them either. In fact doing that would be the biggest gift to Boris Johnson imaginable.

Skynet in revolt again?


#1482

The sad thing is that there are a lot of conservative Republican politicians who do know better. The problem is that the Republican base has shrunk to the point where politicians can’t afford to alienate angry and very reactionary low-information Trump voters who are no more conversant on the issues than their man in the White House, and who place more loyalty in the man than the party.

Trump doesn’t understand democratic norms, let alone respect them. He’s such a big swamp creature himself there’s no way in hell he’s going to drain the DC swamp. Instead he’s simply attempted to make it more like the swamp he’s comfortable with in the New York City business world, which is increasing the corruption, not shrinking it. He doesn’t understand the complexity of the decisions he’s making and has no interest in gaining that understanding. He places more credence in Internet conspiracy theories than he does on government officials who have dedicated their entire lives to understanding these things. I’m very much irritated that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is still protecting the overgrown child in the White House by preventing a vote on the Mueller investigation protection bill despite the drubbing Republicans received in the November elections.


#1483

The likes of Scott Walker far preceded Trump though.

The unholy marriage of Washington and Wall-Street, truly complete at last.

If it eventually comes up with something actionable enough to lead to impeachment then Pence (the would-be theocrat in the wings) may have been Trump’s most brilliant move. Because if I were in the US Congress I’d certainly don’t want to effectively vote in that guy either. :fearful:


#1484

The U.S. has a lot–like, a LOT–more built-in defences against would-be theocrats than it does (it turns out) against a reality TV star with an utter disdain for law, norms, and truth and a refusal to educate himself on policy.

Especially were said would-be theocrat a milquetoast who came to power on the heels of his predecessor’s impeachment.

Especially after his party has lost one house of Congress.

I’ve never been in doubt that Pence would be preferable to Trump, but I could to some extent understand others’ caution when the GOP held all branches of gov’t. Since November, though, I really suggest the Never-Pencers should give it a rethink.

If impeachment becomes unavoidable in the wake of the Mueller findings, the prospect of President Pence til 2020 shouldn’t deter anyone, IMO.


#1485

That though is only a temporary setback and a President Pence would be eligible for two of his own terms. So, if elected again he can afford to wait things out for a bit. The electoral college mechanic, plus ongoing voter disenfranchisement efforts in Wisconsin, among others (hi @TSSL ) still give the Republican an advantage in actually getting elected. Particularly if the Dems nominate a black Conservative, like Booker, who runs on getting “woke” but won’t lift so much as a pinky to regulate Wall Street or tackle economic grievances.

The Dark money and Citizen’s United advantages now seemingly coming the way of conservative Democrats are scary in their own right and they would have an economic (if not on social issues) ally in president Pence.

Only once the new Congress is actually seated. Wisconsin shows how dangerous the US’ “lame duck” sessions have become of late.
The thought of him having decent odds at getting re-elected are still chilling, particularly since many US Evangelicals have shown that opposition to gay marriage and the “gay agenda” plus opposition to abortion will make them discard all the other principles the movement supposedly stands for. Trump is ample proof of that.