Nothing left (to burn) [WiP] — July 16 update! (and Tumblr surprise!)

Hallelujah, my internet is BAAACK! :grin:

Now, time to diagnose these characters, starting with Drew, Bethany, & Mary Ann.

1.) Drew: Major Depressive Disorder (MDD/clinical depression) - Atypical Depression

Atypical Depression is a type of clinical depression where your mood can genuinely improve in response to positive events. Drew is showing signs of being depressed, but as far as I can see when he is happy in response to the MC making him laugh or showing him love, it’s genuine.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/atypical-depression/symptoms-causes/syc-20369747

**>**Possible Anger Issues (will need more info to accurately diagnose)

2.) Bethany: Dependent Personality Disorder (DPD)

Bethany’s showing signs of Dependent Personality Disorder - extremely submissive, highly insecure/very low self esteem, attaching to a “stronger” figure for protection, inability to express her own opinions or disagree with others, and doing “unpleasant” things such as betraying her friends or standing by as people get bullied for protection.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/dependent-personality-disorder

3.) Mary Ann: Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) - Malignant Somatic Narcissist, Grandiose Type

Contrary to popular belief, narcissists do NOT have GENUINELY high self esteem - certain ones just appear like they do. They are deeply insecure individuals who are dependent on others’ admiration to feel good about themselves + lack affective empathy (i.e. compassion) for others. They are self OBSESSED and pathologically selfish, but they do not GENUINELY think they’re nearly as great as many appear to think they are. They are also extremely thin skinned and attack others verbally &/OR physically when they feel criticized in any real OR imagined way. From the narcissist’s POV, they are responding to provocation. From everyone else’s POV, they just look like a volatile asshole raging for little reason.

Most narcissists are NOT sadistic. (For instance, before he got banned, Samuel Young was a self aware narcissist on COG who talked some about what it was like having NPD. Not a cruel or malicious guy - just very volatile & grandiose.) However, MALIGNANT narcissists, well, ARE sadistic and do knowingly abuse others, plan to abuse others, and enjoy hurting others. Mary Ann is a Malignant Narcissist.

She is also an overtly bragging, Grandiose Narcissist. And she is Somatic - using her physical appearance to get the admiration & attention she craves.

Here’s some info about NPD in general and Malignant Narcissists in particular.

https://www.bodyandsoul.com.au/sex-relationships/relationships/how-to-tell-if-youre-dealing-with-a-somatic-narcissist/news-story/c594a4bb4cf21b1d1b039139e2683313

The MC will need their own post for everything they have ( :laughing:), and I’ll do them next.

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  • Aren’t MC and Drew outside?

Drew raises his/her eyes from the non-descript spot of your walls, but his/her dark brown eyes are not focused on you. They are far away, unseeing, but you stare at his/her face with gravity. He/She has kind features, because it belongs to someone compassionate, and such people can’t see long term, because they feel too much the pain people around them feel right now.

  • Drew’s name does not appear in the article now.

Authorities arrived at St. Mary’s Grove at 11:27pm to discover the deceased body of a student at the base of a four-story school building. The identity of the student has not been disclosed publicly.

“The victim wasn’t Drew, right? Moore is a very common surname,” I plead.

Drew didn’t contact you since last Friday; although he/she was the same age as you, his/her GPA was so good he/she jumped straight into his/her senior grade: how many Moores could be at St. Mary’s that fit into that description besides Drew?

  • I never spoke to Monich and Monich never spoke to me.

Clench my fists. I don’t want to make a scene. Not here.

It takes everything you have to reign your temper, but you don’t answer her back.

“She opened Drew’s coffin,” you snap, clenching your fists hard enough to feel your nails digging into your palms, "I called her out, and she had the face to act as if I was the one doing something wrong!"

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Thank you guys for answering the questions, I really enjoyed reading your opinions! ヾ(@^▽^@)ノ

Pretty much, yeah! The MC has a faint idea on who’s behind it (Mary-Ann and Carter are guaranteed to be), but they want to have all the names. Then they are done with Bethany and take revenge on her, because they know what’s most important to the bullies, and Bethany herself wouldn’t really help them. Don’t worry about not figuring it out, the story it’s in very early stages, so a lot of things remain a mystery/there aren’t enough clues yet ヽ(・∀・)ノ

Asking Eddie for legal advice could be possible, but it could seem very, very suspicious to her. And she doesn’t have that kind of knowledge, either: Eddie specializes in Labor (Employment) Law, stuff like discussing wages, compensations, harassment and discrimination in the workplace, with a bit of knowledge on Civil Rights and Family Law. But she has coworkers who practice Criminal Law, maybe it would be better to ask them under the ruse of wanting to be a lawyer too! (・ω<)

You could get a cottage in the mountains to avoid nosy neighborsヾ(☆▽☆) And don’t worry, your English is very good!

Thank you for pointing out these!! Hope you liked the update (◕‿◕✿)

The cat didn’t do anything wrong, like Drew. We have to spare at least an innocent soul here!

Okay, I’ve checked the code and I thiiiink the issue is solved. Thanks for reporting it!

Thank you! ≧◡≦

Some of them have several outcomes planned, ranging from “getting even” (as much as revenge can be fair) to excessive, and outright violence is avoidable (at least on the MC’s part. Maybe the NPCs are an even angrier bunch). You will get glimpses of their lives and what might have made them like that, but sometimes people turn out wayyyyyy nastier than they really should have given their circumstances. Can’t say much about the teachers, but you’ll see what they are like when the school chapters start ٩(◕‿◕。)۶

You can totally ask about them (•◡•:heart:)

A “forgiveness” path would change everything drastically, since revenge is one of the central points of the story, the total opposite. It wouldn’t just be another branch, but more like having to write a whole, parallel path just for it, two games in one. It would take place in another setting (since going back to St. Mary’s would be pointless), different NPCs, events, even the plot itself would have to change greatly. So, a full redemption route is unlikely; there can be early endings where the MC repents/realizes that they might have gone too far with their actions, but they will still belong to the revenge-centered plot.

What kind of things do you suspect? I love it when people share their theories!

Thank you for pointing them out! I’ll correct them and recalibrate the stats/reactions for the next update (◕‿◕)

That choice is purely aesthetical, it’s not meant to set the MC’s body type at all; just that they don’t have the same ring size as Drew. It’s up to the player, depending on if they would rather have their MC’s wear it on their finger or as a pendant.

I’ll make it possible for the Skip System to let players start from any chapter, but it’s not possible to add save slots: the demo is compiled (rather than having all the files up), so the Save System is not compatible. Once I finish the game and start a closed beta, I’ll consider adding it (´∀`)

Don’t worry about the length of your post, I appreciate the effort you’ve put on helping me make the game better!!

Hehe, I love how you guys react ↜(╰ ◣∀◢)╯ψ

Aww, thank you for your kinds words! (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ

Once you finish your first playthrough, an achievement will pop up and you will be able to access the Skyp System when you start a new game. Hope it helps! (´ ▽ ` )ノ

Nope, the MC can’t do magic at all.

Some fates are worse than death.

Hello there, @buggygirl11!! Thank you for dropping by and trying the update, I really like your posts! They are very interesting and savvy, and a great way to know if I’m conveying successfully what I want to show or not ヽ(>∀<☆)ノ

Gosh, I LOVE that description of Carter! Can I use it in-game? (* :heart::heart:)

Thank you for the great messages, and keep up the good work! Let’s see if anyone can figure out what’s up with the MC with the hints you’ve given (・ω<)

@fisheyeThank you for reporting these inconsistency errors! (=゚ω゚)ノ


I have good news!

:tada: The demo of One thousand Blooms is finally up!! :tada:

Some people have already played it and said to miss it, so I posted it on my tumblr! And in case you aren’t familiar with it, this is your chance to try it! Mind you, it’s only the demo, without any new content: all of my efforts are on Nothing Left (To Burn), but I hope that doesn’t keep you from enjoying it!

Have a happy time playing it and take care! (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧

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It’s mostly about the situation at the beginning, at the police station, and the Bethany stuff.

I’m torn about one thing about that. Wondering if the MC truly did something to her, or if something happened to her related to the vengeance story, but at the hands of someone else, and she said MC’s name because well, she was scared and confused and knew it has something to do with them so she said that. Moreso, it may also be something that actually varies depending on what you chose to do as a vengeance. In some scenarios the MC may have done something to her, in others no. And IF the supernatural part is true, Drew himself may have done something.
My theory is also that maybe the player’s choices will shape the supernatural aspect of the story - depending on the choices or beliefs, it will be either hallucinations or an actual ghost.

Ah, I also have to mention, about what I was asking about! I may have expressed myself in an unclear fashion about that whole redemption plot thing. I didn’t expect the ENTIRE plot to be about trying to overcome things without ressorting to vengeance - that’s obviously not the plot. I mean, if I wanted that, I wouldn’t be interested in the game at all. Rather than that, I was thinking about the very late parts of the games, when the MC is really on the verge of doing something really bad - to be able to actually stop that, at least if some choices were done during the playthrough or whatever. So what you’re saying about the early endings actually partially answers my question haha!
Though, IF the game allows for dealing with the vengeance in a non-violent way without (much) transgressions of laws, I’ll be okay with that too. Because, let’s be real, these kids deserve some retribution. I just don’t want to hurt them. That’s one of the reasons I’ve been thinking so much about the Bethany thing.

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@Lycoris Sure, go ahead and use it. :upside_down_face:

Alright, I guess I’ll save the MC’s diagnosis for later and give people a chance to figure it out.

Instead…

A.) My Nothing Left Mental Imagery of These Characters:

1.) MC - Addie:

That heterochromia did not help with the bullying, however Really Cool it looks.

2.) Drew:
drew

Given just HOW big a blind eye is being turned to Drew being viciously & violently bullied…it’s ridiculously easy to picture him as African American in a racist town, I’m not gonna lie. :sweat_smile:

Black Lives Matter people.

3.) Mary Ann:

This is her in “doll-like” pose, obviously. :grin:

4.) Carter:
carter

5.) Marshall:
marshall

This guy just seems like the perpetual sunglasses even on a cloudy day + vaguely douchey hair type. :laughing:

6.) Bethany:

B.) Other Diagnoses:

1.) Carter: Spineless Sadism Traits

Given his penchant for enjoying violence particularly against those who are weaker than him and can’t fight back, Carter is showing traits of…

Spineless Sadism - Spineless Sadists are cowardly types who are too afraid to act out their sadistic impulses towards those who have the faintest chance of hurting them back. Instead, they seek out ONLY victims who are unable to fight back: small animals, younger siblings, children, and those who are half their size or smaller in general. Many are too afraid of prison to commit murder, but will happily commit intimate partner violence, severe child abuse, animal cruelty, ganging up in mobs against vulnerable minorities, etc. They devalue their victims in their minds as weak, pathetic, and deserving of being hurt - a bit like an EXTREMELY vicious school bully mentality. They defensively hide any of their OWN weaknesses and vulnerabilities at all costs, and try to project an image of strength to others.

As far as I have seen SO FAR, Carter isn’t severe enough a case to merit a diagnosis of full blown Sadistic Personality Disorder. (Long story, but I have observed a few individuals who ARE severe enough to merit that diagnosis, and it is…quite something and very distinctive.) He might prove himself severe enough later on, but as of yet, I can only say he has Spineless Sadism traits.


https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-enforcing-sadism-explosive-sadism-spineless-sadism-and-tyrannical-sadism/answer/Vidia-Ree

2.) Marshall: Heavy Narcissistic Fleas

No, really - it’s a thing and that’s what it’s called. :laughing: Having some narcissistic traits you picked up from those around you WITHOUT meeting full NPD criteria is called Narcissistic Fleas. He seems like he likes his admiration and his status heirarchies alright, and seems like he’s a pretty nasty dude, but Marshall also seems more…well, in control of himself and more in the realm of sanity than either Mary Ann or Carter.

His BFF Mary Ann is a Malignant Narcissist, so that’s one place he could have picked up some of those behaviors…buuut he’s also likely to have at least one narcissist parent at home. :slightly_smiling_face:

Marshall is capable of a MINIMAL degree of empathy and remorse, even if he doesn’t express it obviously. Don’t believe me? Look at him trying to protect Bethany from getting beaten by Carter…even if he did it while putting down Drew and sounding like an elitist. But elitist and douchey though Marshall sounded, Mary Ann (no empathy whatsoever + sadistic) was just going to let Bethany get beat without lifting a finger. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Was there ever a description of Drew or was it open to us?

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Yeah, there was. I don’t have a female/nb description since I always pick Drew to be a guy, but the male description says he has dark skin, freckles, and a shaved head.

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What a demo! It’s really heart wrenching and I freaking love it. I hope we get to beat the shit out of those damn bullies! Drew is really sweet, she didn’t have to go like that :cry: :cry: Keep up the good work, can’t wait to read more of this!

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Not gonna lie, when the police person showed MC the photo at the start of the story, I got nauseous. That’s how deep the writing pulled me in from the beginning. I’m really excited to see where this goes, especially in finding out more about the “True Drew” instead of the person MC puts on a pedestal.

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Whenever I listen to All I Want by Kodaline, I always remember Drew. Especially the line “But if you loved me, why did you leave me” and while listening to the song, the other night, it reminded me of Drew and I started sobbing. Thank you for your hard work author.

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I love this cog so much :sob: grew so attached to Drew…My god, I usually play my mcs as good, gentle people, but this is the first time I cannot help but want to turn my poor mc into an angry and vengeful mc. So for that alone, bravo, author!

I’ve also felt inspired by your Drew romantic snippet to draw my Hazel and Drew together but in the au you’ve presented in the one-shot fic~

(p.s. Thank you soo much for including heterochromia as a customizable option for the eyes. The descriptions that came with it were also such a nice touch to the narrative!)
:two_hearts: :wink: keep up the superb work!

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That’s very cute!!!>A<

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I like how you think! I won’t say if you got it 100% right or not, let’s hope I can still keep a bit of mistery to the whole story!!

Great pictures! I appreciate it tons when people share how they think the characters look like :star_struck:

Let’s see how Carter turns out as the story progresses and the stakes rise higher, maybe he gets wayyy worse with stress and extreme pressure. And where did Marshall get those pesky, troublesome fleas? Some of the bullies parents may appear, or it might be possible to take a peek into their lives :crystal_ball:

There’s a brief description of Drew at the start of Chapter 1! @Fay has shared the male Drew’s description, but here you go all of them:

For Audrey:

For Andrew:

And for Andrea:

In the prologue there’s a brief mention of them, too, but it only describes a trait or two, if I recall correctly.

Aww, thank you for the kind message!

Thank you for your encouragement! Really, I’m very excited to show you guys Drew as they are, not just from the MC’s perspective, maybe you even get to like them even more! :wink:

The so0ng really fits the story, thank you for telling me, and for trying out the demo!

Oh. My. Gosh. I love it! :heart_eyes: I agree with @Tokiko220, it’s a wonderful drawing, they look so sweet together! I love how gentle their expressions are, the flowers, the detail of your MC’s necklace! Do you mind if I link it in the main post (giving you credit, of course!), or would you rather not?

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@Lycoris I DON’T MIND AT ALL :blush: :smile_cat: :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: I’m actually very happy and you and the others liked how I depicted them! Your characters are precious and I can’t wait to meet the others as well!
@Tokiko220 Thank you~ :kissing_smiling_eyes:

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Played through it again, I fricking love it! It’s been said a lot of times but you’re really good at writing, at capturing emotions and making the story flow together.

Thingies


Shouldn’t it be ‘something’?

MC with Periwinkle

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Edit) Has it been mentioned what colour eyes Bethany has? Also, are Drew’s curls tight or of the wavy sort?

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Alright guys, time to diagnose the MC!

1.) Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) - Classic BPD

The MC actually was showing signs of this long before Drew’s death. Idealizing Drew to the extent where they seem to literally think he’s flawless, a strong tendency to think that people they dislike are pure scum with zero redeeming qualities, cutting themselves, a suicide attempt, bouts of extreme anxiety, lots and lots of ORIGINALLY buried anger at those at St. Mary’s. There are signs, between the self harm and blaming themselves for not going to Drew’s rescue when they were having a paralyzing anxiety attack, that the MC has very low self esteem.

AFTER Drew’s death, all of this gets exasterbated. Some MCs are dissociating from their emotions, others are showing exasterbated rapid mood swings - both of which are traits of BPD. Trying to illegally avenge Drew’s death either all on their own or with the help of an equally inexperienced teenage accomplice is impulsive risk-taking behavior to the extreme - they are a teenager with no real knowledge about HOW TO GET AWAY WITH THIS, just pure passionate emotional desire for vengeance.

BPD Traits:
A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, and marked impulsivity beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) or the following:

1. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment (Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behaviour coverered in Criterion 5)
[going on a revenge quest once Drew is gone from their lives, possibly saying they’d commit suicide if Drew left them at the beginning]
2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterised by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation
[Drew is highly idealized to an unrealistic extent, the bullies & the reporter are devalued and thought of as absolute vile scum, & the relationship with Drew is…a tad intense given the MC is willing to risk prison to avenge them]

  1. Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self
    [a bit unclear, but the MC does seem to have very low self esteem]
    4. Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g. spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating) (Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behaviour coverered in Criterion 5)
    [breaking and entering, punching reporters in public, making plans to injure bullies, possible future arson, possible future homicide]
    5. Recurrent suicidal behaviour, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behaviour
    [cutting, previous suicide attempt, possibly saying they’d commit suicide if Drew left them at the beginning]
    6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g. intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days)

[the MC goes through intense periods of depression, anxiety, rage, intense love, burning hatred, despair, self-blame, etc.]

  1. Chronic feelings of emptiness
    8. Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g. frequent displays of temper,constant anger, recurrent physical fights)
    [uhh…this entire story is kicked off by the MC’s intense rage and inability to control it]

9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms
[refusing to believe Drew’s death is a suicide & insisting he must have been murdered + some MCs dissociate and become disconnected from their emotions temporarily after Drew’s death]

7/9 Traits, The Other 2 Possibly Also True

Type: Classic BPD

BPD involves rage, and a lot of it. Classic BPD is the type of BPD that involves EXTERNALIZING this rage and lashing out at others. (Whereas those with Quiet BPD usually INTERNALIZE their rage and bury it inside.) Given our MC is off on a vindictive spree, I think we can safely say they are externalizing their rage! :laughing:

https://bpdfoundation.org.au/diagnostic-criteria.php

2.) Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) - Psychotic Depression

After Drew’s death, the MC becomes severely depressed & hopeless. That much is abundantly clear. They are basically crushed and feel like they have, well, “nothing left.” This is more than just normal grief, given the lengths the MC is willing to go to due to feeling they have nothing left to live for.

Seeing Drew’s ghost might be actually a real phenommenon that isn’t explainable by science. Buuuut since the neurotypical (NT) population can’t see ghosts, and it’s been mentioned that the ghost may torment the MC…it would be classified as Psychotic Depression if the MC described it in a therapist’s office - mood congruent psychosis that reinforces depression, began ONLY when the person became clinically depressed, and happens ONLY when they are in a severely depressed state.

3.) Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) - PTSD NOS

Criterion A: stressor (one required)

The person was exposed to: death, threatened death, actual or threatened serious injury, or actual or threatened sexual violence, in the following way(s):

1.) Direct exposure
2.) Witnessing the trauma
3.) Learning that a relative or close friend was exposed to a trauma [Drew’s Murder/Suicide]
4.) Indirect exposure to aversive details of the trauma, usually in the course of professional duties (e.g., first responders, medics)

Criterion B: intrusion symptoms (one required)

The traumatic event is persistently re-experienced in the following way(s):

1.) Unwanted upsetting memories
2.) Nightmares
3.) Flashbacks
4.) Emotional distress after exposure to traumatic reminders [the bullies]
5.) Physical reactivity after exposure to traumatic reminders [panic attack on sight of the bullies]

Criterion C: avoidance (one required)

Avoidance of trauma-related stimuli after the trauma, in the following way(s):

1.) Trauma-related thoughts or feelings [seeking revenge instead of trying to process their feelings in a “healthy” way]
2.) Trauma-related external reminders

Criterion D: negative alterations in cognitions and mood (two required)

Negative thoughts or feelings that began or worsened after the trauma, in the following way(s):

1.) Inability to recall key features of the trauma
2.) Overly negative thoughts and assumptions about oneself or the world
3.) Exaggerated blame of self or others for causing the trauma
4.) Negative affect
5.) Decreased interest in activities [MC’s focus is becoming slowly consumed by a singular pursuit of revenge - their interest in other activities diminishing]
6.) Feeling isolated
7.) Difficulty experiencing positive affect

Criterion E: alterations in arousal and reactivity

Trauma-related arousal and reactivity that began or worsened after the trauma, in the following way(s):

1.) Irritability or aggression
2.) Risky or destructive behavior
3.) Hypervigilance
4.) Heightened startle reaction
5.) Difficulty concentrating
6.) Difficulty sleeping

https://www.brainline.org/article/dsm-5-criteria-ptsd

Type: PTSD Not Otherwise Specified

Some traumatic events come with ripples that can touch people hours or days after the issue has been resolved. These people might clean up after tornadoes, collect bodies from crime scenes, comfort rape victims, or listen to their loved ones discuss a traumatic event. These people were not direct witnesses, but they can be profoundly touched by the things they experience in the aftermath of the event.

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Im loving the update. You are so talented and i never thought id wanna kill some teenagers , being i have one, but yet here we are. Die teenage scum lol… you have yet again broke my heart , good job. I wanted my mc with anger issues :smiling_imp::smiling_imp:

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The main critique point I have is in one section Where you witness Drew getting bullied, getting a headwound and your character getting their name; faces you with an false choice. You can either go and help, try to call the police or not do anything because your legs have frozen up. I clicked on on the first option but the text I got made my investment in this section irrelevant because what ever I would choose my character would always stand there frozen up not doing anything and just listening to this entire scene where the gang is bullying Drew. It’s heavyhanded drawn out and pushed me atleast, out of the experience because the first two choices are false choices as the character is alawys going to act one way and not have our options have an meaningful impact in this section any way shape or form. Why was there even a choice when we the choice we made didn’t really matter anyway? I get the purpose of the scene, but because of the illusion of choice I was knocked right out of it causing the scene too lose it’s intended impact and be recieved by me as overly long and hamfisted.

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One Thousand Blooms was incredible! Actually your writing is so amazing that I’m now hooked up not not only on Nothing Left to Burn, but also this new game :heart: Good luck with all your work! :blush:

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Concept is mind blowing buddy love the message ur providing through this game. Waiting for future updates.

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