I guess? I feel like my MC has been super whiny but I guess not. Maybe I just happened to avoid all the super whiny options lol
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Well, I havenât played in a long time so maybe some stuff has changed, usually playing a resentful person who dislikes Ments and their mindblindness a lot and thinks their life is unfair gets me a pretty low stat with Rosy idk. I have no idea of the what options youâre actually taking tho lol
I would have to check to be sure, but I think you take those hits for being outwardly resentful, what you mentally complain about isnât factored into it
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It is pretty slow burn.
I myself have a pretty high tolerance for slow burn, like it to a certain extent, and am not one to complain about slow burn routes â Probably more the type to defend them, if anything. But I didnât like their romance route in particular.
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Playing through, as I hadnât known the rewrite was up, holy shit I forgot how insufferable Nick is. I know the prevailing opinion here is loving him but heâs so obnoxious. Love that his breakdown is him talking about how hard it is to be him to his sibling whoâs constantly fucking mind controlled and has had zero privacy at any point in their life. Like dude, read the fucking room and realize who youâre complaining to.
Pointless to mention, I know, but Iâm really put off by all of the stuff about Korea. It sounds plausible as something that would happen in real life, of course, but in the âthis is US propaganda used to justify finishing taking control of the peninsulaâ way and just kinda grosses me out given it feels like itâs meant to be taken at face value with no criticism. The whole of Unity feels like that, honestly, just reeking of âthese people/organization are best friends with the CIAâ with all of the negative baggage that brings. To my leftist ass it really feels Vengeance is near unambiguously good in their fight against Unity/UN/US, if obviously fairly extreme, so it feels weird for that to be treated as the obvious âevilâ path (not surprising at all, just weird-feeling on my end).
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oh girl not at all i completely agree with u i think nick is very obnoxious. i also think he has enough loveable moments to him to make me not completely despise him but i absolutely agree he can be sooo insufferable. heâs like one of the most OP people in unity and clearly his parentâs favourite and heâs like â
woe is me⌠my life is so hard having u as a siblingâŚâ
i think the most insensitive thing he said in my playthroughs is when my MC is reluctant to have tests done on them (after nick enters their mind) bc they have a fear of reliving their âguinea pig childhoodâ and then nickâs all âbut guinea pigs are so cute tho!!â
likeâŚâŚ reallyâŚ.. my flabber was absolutely gasted at his audacity. like yes obviously guinea pigs are cute everyone knows that, but ur sibling has been subjected to endless doctorsâ tests their whole childhood and very much doesnât want to do that again and youâre making a funny teehee joke about it? if i was MC iâd go up to nickâs unconscious body to give him a swift hit in the nutsack for saying that.
ALSO HEAVY AGREE. unity is clearly just another corporation/government organisation that has undoubtedly done super shady and immoral shit and im not sympathetic to them at all tbh. i wouldnât be surprised if they committed war crimes against korea tbh. im not invested at all in the MCâs desire to work for them because all i can think about is how much corruption is rampant in corporations like that. itâs like when the MC is a cop, i just canât stop thinking about how hard it is to relate to people that want to succeed in systems that are well known for being unjust.
also. the name âunityâ for a company that is undoubtedly run by detached corporate elites is appropriately pretentious.
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Vengeance isnât portrayed as evil because theyâre fighting unity, theyâre portrayed as evil because they go out of their way to slaughter civilians for basically no purpose whatsoever
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Itâs interesting that you feel this way. In a way I think I kinda get it, in that maybe it just feels good to see some sort of group or character that is in opposition to them⌠and that it maybe would feel weird and wrong if the only real opposition to them was a bigoted terrorist group that kills innocent people?
It feels like whatâs maybe missing is some sort of character that is like Not Unity, Not Vengeance, but a secret third thing. Someone who hates and disavows both groups, while not being a milquetoast liberal / centrist about it. (I hate, hate, hate bringing up politics even vaguely because I know how discussions can get if you bring it up, but I find it a little unavoidable in this case)
Unless this is the niche the mysterious terrorist character would fill. It certainly would make sense for them to fill that niche.
I have more I could say about this (and about Vengeance, in particular), but I might just leave it at that for now.
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Yes Noh is the third side
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For what itâs worth weâre largely on the same page, especially about the politics of the secret third thing not being liberal. Iâm probably not totally on board with Vengeance, but Iâm absolutely against Unity and the only way to take down shit like that is drastic actions, and usually that involves working with not great people. Nothing against Ments conceptually (beyond my PCs personal hatred due to her circumstance), theyâre just born with it by chance (and a splash of weird gross eugenic-y bloodline shit thatâs gonna lead to a divinely chosen ruler if youâre not careful), so the ire directed at all of them is misplaced. But directing it at people like Grayson, who literally comes back from (implied) happily and nonchalantly fucking murdering someone for the US government? Totally correct but their existence as Ments technically has jack shit to do with being a hired killer working for a known genocidal fascist government, thatâs just the shtick Unity runs on because they can be more effective than an average person.
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Only practical way to take out ment threats like the psycho that killed Kâs mom and those running the north Chorean regime is with the use of other ments. Unity isnât perfect, but it does itâs job.
UCRT isnât some black budget hit squad, itâs just another arm of federal law enforcement.
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Exactly my problem with it 
Seriously, thatâs just it, thatâs what I donât like about them more than anything. Every single thing I say about them I apply to all law enforcement and law enforcement adjacent entities.
My mc is horrendously down bad for sally
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If Kenna didnât exist, Sally would be my favorite romance. She as almost the exact same sense of nerdy humor as I do and sheâs one of those people who everybody gets along with.
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Can you even romance Sally jn the current demo? I
Yep
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Do you get to kiss her?
Yep. The romance starts really early too. Make sure to spend time with Sally when given the chance in chapter 5 (or 4? I donât remember 
when you get a day off). I think the author wanted to add a romance starting point towards the end of the game too for those who donât want to trigger it early on but I donât know if she has anymore
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Youâre not crazy. I learned to appreciate the subtlety of Rosyâs romance more when I code-dived and discovered the nuances in their behavior towards Buttons they approve of and/or are also attracted to. I think itâs a very fine line to write a tasteful teacher/student romance, especially during a high-risk mission like that. As such, their self-denial/reluctance for a large part of the game makes sense to me.
That said, the last couple of unreleased chapters will make or break the romance for me because I expect to be fed. Rosy better be down bad for my Button â and embarrassingly so. I mean, Jo posted this on Tumblr about them re: how they would propose to Button:
Rosy: Takes Button to Korea. While sitting on a park bench near where Rosy was born, they wordlessly hand Button a ring case. When Button opens it, thereâs an engagement ring and a date sharpied on the lid interiorâa date from three years ago, shortly after the two first started dating. When Button asks what the date means, Rosy confesses itâs when they bought the ring.
Not the proposal, obviously. The sentiment. Because my Button took one look at this single most ridiculous person they had ever seen, laughed, and knew right away that Rosy was their forever-gremlin.
Youâre right, and I hope we can play a Button who can turn their back on the copaganda they grew up with in the Wiseman household without necessarily having to align with Vengeance to oppose Unity. Vengeance, for me, isnât the way here but I expect the possible endings to be more varied than âLetâs just keep the status quoâ and âDown with all Ments!â
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Yeah. My Button has 87% resentful and 77% approval with Rosy. Sheâs also morbid as hell. So it works.
Did you get the scene with him in his office? Thatâs the closest to âromanceâ you get from Rosy, from what I can tell. So, yeah, heâs super slow burn. Iâd be shocked if we get a kiss from him by the end of the game.
That actually made me laugh. The whole âwoe is me, Iâm the most powerful and special boy ever, it sucks so bad!â was ridiculous. And the fact that he was whining to Zero made it that much worse. I agree heâs insufferable, though he does love Zero. It just ends up coming across as patronizing a lot of times.
Surprisingly, I agree with this. If it was run by someone who wasnât a murderous psycho (sorry, Reese, but you need help), I think it could do some good, instead of just randomly harming people to make a point that doesnât get made because itâs too violent and extreme.
Putting the victims of ments on screen for everyone to see just how dangerous the ments are to normies would be a good step. Itâs not about fear mongering, either, itâs about showing a clear and present danger. Hell, if the MC told their story to the worldâhow theyâve been mind-controlled not only by âharmlessâ little shits when they were a kid but by their own mother (unintentionally, but it happened) and ments who mean to do harm, it would be an eye opener. One that could backfire, of course, because then people can see Button as a danger to the world due to their broken brain.
The focus needs to be put on creating a drug that doesnât alter ments, but protects non-ments from ments. That permanently blocks normie brains from ments, so they canât be read or controlled ever.
That pissed me off so much. Heâs so dismissive of what the MC suffers through. And not even in a âI donât care, I expect more from youâ way that Rosy does. Itâs more patronizing and condescending.
Mine, too.
Agreed. Itâs too lukewarm right now, bordering on cool/cold to work as a romance for much longer.
I hope so, too.
Iâve played the Vengeance route in the Patreon demo and, honestly, itâs more satisfying than the idea of going back to the status quo of Nick being in the MCâs head 24/7 and MC being incapable of taking care of themselves. No romance is better than a romance where Button feels like a liability. And the⌠scene⌠where Button feels âlighterâ at the end just didnât work for me. It felt patronizing, and my morbid Button wouldnât have suddenly felt better after that.
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