# Keeper of the Sun and Moon (Discussion) **URL:** \ **Category:** Hosted Games\ **Tags:** nonbinary-inclusive, gender-choice, modern-fantasy, young-adult-fiction\ **Created:** [January 24, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353 "2019-01-24T23:24:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/551 "2019-02-17T20:09:47Z")
> [@Fay](#): > > The author said that keeper!mc could choose to attend parties, interviews and stuff like that. I’m pretty sure they’d paid MC for attending their events. I’m not sure the going rates for interview compensation are pretty low. 2000 Euro to comment on some legal cases on TV, like one of my recently retired colleagues, manages with some regularity is a nice bit of income on the side, it’s not however anywhere near close to what true celebrities and CEO’s “earn”. In general, you’re supposed to be doing everything just for the _“exposure”_ right now. You get tons of exposure that won’t buy you anything at all. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/original/3X/1/4/148fd567d6361f2f77a89d3a25f95127a2de52a1.png) You just need to change the text in the first image to “Hello keeper person! Thanks for doing that event!” Mr. Owens shows you how handy that “exposure” will be for our future menial job(s). 😒 Compounded for my mc by the fact that he doesn’t even _want_ to be famous, so “exposure” is even more worthless to him than to many other people. > [@Dark\_Stalker](#): > > He does however want to be a duelist so he’d eventually measure his success by fame. Whereas my main mc doesn’t _want_ to be (in)famous at all. If he did he’d have signed with a modeling agency in the real world a couple of years ago. > [@Dark\_Stalker](#): > > yet your still amazing at it. Eh, not really you still need tons of willpower, which is not really my mc’s strong suit. He had trouble compelling a mouse, let alone an ordinary man, magician, magi or celestial creature in order of ascending difficulty, I assume. > **Catching a cold** > > **Anonymous asked: RO’s reactions to a MC catching a cold and/or getting sick?** > > Stay away from me I don’t want to get sick: Cressida, Seraphina, Thalia > > Asks them if they want anything from the store: Astrid, Cyrus, Leon, Yakov > > Makes them soup, puts up with their whining, etc: Altair, Katia, Kol > > **No! No! NO!!!** Just no, please Alty my mc loves you but for the love of everything don’t try to cook, don’t try to cook, please don’t try to cook. A sentient soup monster or the house burning down is hardly likely to make the situation any better. 😨😈 > **"Roxie** > > **Anonymous asked: I won’t lie afetr hearing more about her I’m glad she’s dead. Sounds like she would’ve been a terrible mother to us. Although, guess I do miss out on calling her out and pretty much 24hr arguments with “mom”.** > > It’s difficult to say whether Roxana would have gotten better if she hadn’t died. She was fundamentally a selfish, immature person, but she did have her moments of goodness. Roxana ultimately did care for MC, and she did care for certain close friends that saw her for who she really was, the good and the bad. Being with MC’s father wouldn’t have helped her improve, though—he loved her too much to acknowledge her faults. > > Honestly, she reminds me of a more immature version of the mc’s mother (Isonia) in Fawkes old Seven Heirs of Ophaesia WIP. In which it is notable that while she would be either the biggest or the second largest influence on my mc there during his childhood, he’d be shaped more by her frequent and unpredictable absences, rather than her presence. Even if he does treasure those times she chooses to flit into his life. So while that mc would have loved and cared about his mom he wouldn’t have dared trust or depend on her. I could see my second mc, witch-boy eventually settling into that same kind of relationship with his mother, assuming she at least matured somewhat. > [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > **[keeperixx](http://keeperixx.tumblr.com/) asked: In the sequels, would it be possible for MC to reject their status as a keeper? Or would it just be similar to a heavy Resistance-aligned MC where reacting such a way doesn’t affect the story much?** > > MC will be publicly announced as a keeper no matter what. They can refuse to give interviews, press conferences, go to parties, leverage their status for politicians, etc. though. Soo glad this will be a possible path forward and my main mc will definitely take it! 😰 > [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > **Anonymous asked: Will we get a chance to introduce all of the ROs to our mom,dad, parents?** > > At the moment, the plan is to have a Thanksgiving scene in the sequel where MC can bring one of the ROs to meet their family. My mc is neither wealthy nor well-enough acquainted with the political and legal landscape to do such things. > > Lysander can meet certain other ROs (or has already met them) at other points in the story, independent of whether he’s MC’s father or not. So Alty and Cy will finally consent to go? Will they actually come home with the mc or will it be at some sort of other event. Hope we don’t have to bring mom to Altair and his family instead because the tensions between my mc and Alty’s dad would still be capable of potentially ruining thanksgiving, depending on how agreeable Tiras behaves and how he takes the stupid keeper reveal thing. 😟 ---
**Author:** ![Babisko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@Babisko](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Babisko)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 1:23am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/552 "2019-02-18T01:23:11Z")
I have a random coding question for you, if you don’t mind- I noticed at one point one of the characters is calling your name while you’re passed out, and it’s fading in (so, -jah, instead of the full name Elijah). How did you go about making that happen? ---
**Author:** ![darkwolf76](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/darkwolf76/32/6126_2.png) [@darkwolf76](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/darkwolf76)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/553 "2019-02-18T03:46:49Z")
Yay! So excited! Thanks @daydreamsincolor! ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/554 "2019-02-18T13:49:53Z")
" **Anonymous asked: How would Astrid feel if she crushed on MC only to have them snatched away by Leon?**" I like this ask, can I ask for a version with her own brother, Altair instead? Which is what actually seems to happen with my mc. ---
**Author:** ![Disciple](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/disciple/32/34398_2.png) [@Disciple](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Disciple)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/555 "2019-02-18T16:12:39Z")
> [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > Update regarding the sequel: a WIP thread should be out this Friday on the forum! It will contain the character setup and the first chapter, which comes to around 45,000 words. This requires a victory dance **ten minutes later** I seem to have trouble building a character who is successful yet inclined toward chaos. The problem is most of the choices which seem to increase my favorite abilities or friendships are inclined towards lawful, even tho in my heart I am a born rebel. I know we have a chance to get a dragon at some point, but will there be other options besides the dragon? Also is it possible to avoid summoning a hellhound during the human ritual magic apprenticeship. ---
**Author:** ![Fay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/fay/32/251409_2.png) [@Fay](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Fay)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/556 "2019-02-18T16:29:09Z")
> [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > Update regarding the sequel: a WIP thread should be out this Friday on the forum! _ **Why is no one freaking out about this!?** _ This week’s friday?? _This_ friday?? I’m so excited! ## _ **YAY!** _ ✨ ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/original/3X/d/6/d6e710e0ed2283cc8a4e89dbf1541a70e12d430f.gif) I can’t wait!!! Good luck author! 💕 > [@Disciple](#): > > I know we have a chance to get a dragon at some point, but will there be other options besides the dragon? Wait, we get a pet dragon? I didn’t think it was possible? Are you talking about the sequel? But I think that we’ll never get a dragon, though… ---
**Author:** ![Nyahaha101](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/nyahaha101/32/85018_2.png) [@Nyahaha101](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Nyahaha101)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/557 "2019-02-18T17:09:40Z")
We have the option to get a pet basilisk, frost bear, hellhound, phantom cat, or phoenix. No dragon, unfortunately ---
**Author:** ![daydreamsincolor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/daydreamsincolor/32/82201_2.png) [@daydreamsincolor](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/daydreamsincolor)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/558 "2019-02-18T18:31:07Z")
> [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > how does the character setup work There will be options to transfer a character from the first game (in the full game only), to pick a preset background and choose MC’s name and gender, or to create a new character. > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > Alty and (his sister’s) route’s are now the least angsty with only a 4. Altair’s subplot involves a project he’s working on for Practical Magic Innovations with Jaime’s mother. Definitely less angsty than some of the others. > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > come close to the late Brant Delacroix Brant was on a whole other level. > [@Fay](#): > > I don’t think Sera would be happy if Leon was related to her Seraphina’s already related to half the main cast by birth or marriage 😅 > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > A sentient soup monster Guess who the main villain is for book two?? 😝 > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > Will they actually come home with the mc Yep. > [@Babisko](#): > > How did you go about making that happen? It’s actually a pretty simple trick! Code is posted below for it. ```choicescript *temp word_length 0 *temp firstletter "" *temp lastletter "" *temp secondlastletter "" *temp thirdlastletter "" *set firstletter name#1 *set word_length length(name) *set lastletter name#word_length *set word_length -1 *if word_length != 0 *set secondlastletter name#word_length *set word_length -1 *if word_length != 0 *set thirdlastletter name#word_length ``` And then to use it: ```choicescript "—${thirdlastletter}${secondlastletter}${lastletter}! $!{name}!" ``` @Disciple @Fay Pet options are intended to be a basilisk, frost bear, hellhound, phantom cat, or phoenix. > [@Disciple](#): > > is it possible to avoid summoning a hellhound Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Fay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/fay/32/251409_2.png) [@Fay](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Fay)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/559 "2019-02-18T18:42:46Z")
> [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > Seraphina’s already related to half the main cast by birth or marriage 😅 ## _ **wait what** _ Did I miss something on the blog or on the thread? Can someone explain?? ---
**Author:** ![daydreamsincolor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/daydreamsincolor/32/82201_2.png) [@daydreamsincolor](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/daydreamsincolor)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/560 "2019-02-18T18:49:09Z")
You didn’t miss anything! Not all of them have been mentioned in-game yet, but she is related to Astrid and Altair (distantly), Reyna (her aunt by marriage), and one of the new ROs in the sequel. ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/561 "2019-02-18T18:50:48Z")
> [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > There will be options to transfer a character from the first game (in the full game only), to pick a preset background and choose MC’s name and gender, or to create a new character. For testing purposes only would you consider just letting us set our mc stats and relationship(s), like Fallen Hero now has the option to do? It lets us test a greater variety of scenario’s, including “import only” ones, assuming you have those? > [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > The current plan is for MC to have a birthday scene in the sequel. Thanks for asking! So will this mean my mc cannot have his July birthday anymore? Cause I would be sad if it did. 😢 Why not celebrate Alty’s, my mc would rather see what that would be like than celebrate his own, as that whole keeper thing likely greatly dims his appetite for any sort of celebration unless it’s something quiet and private with Alty (and possibly Cy). > [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > Altair’s subplot involves a project he’s working on for Practical Magic Innovations with Jaime’s mother. Definitely less angsty than some of the others. Less angsty for Alty maybe, I can easily see Jaime’s mother blaming my mc for the death of her kid, even though Jaime is the one he did not kill and probably the one who most deserved a second chance, instead the worst one and the one who instigated it all, Davina is the one who gets to walk scot free. 😒 > [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > Brant was on a whole other level. As compared to Leon, our roommate Leon, that one? The one who could really use another room just to house said ego? So what did Brant need for his ego then, a whole mansion? On the other hand that my mc’s deadbeat dad was apparently (best) friends with the guy does not reflect all that well on old Brant, as far as my mc is concerned. > [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > Guess who the main villain is for book two?? 😝 I’m now expecting this to be a sidequest on the Alty plotline. 😜 Also we need to remind mc’s mom to really do ban Alty from the kitchen on that thanksgiving. Since Altair is apparently good with technology let him tinker with that instead of help out with food preparation. ---
**Author:** ![MIGSey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/migsey/32/21225_2.png) [@MIGSey](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/MIGSey)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/562 "2019-02-18T18:55:05Z")
Wait, how so Astrid and Altair ? ---
**Author:** ![Disciple](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/disciple/32/34398_2.png) [@Disciple](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Disciple)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/563 "2019-02-18T19:00:30Z")
I like all of those options more anyway. Game of thrones ruined dragons for me, by making them such a stupidly important issue when all I wanted was to see who arya would kill next. I have s saying ”fuck the dragons, fuck the targaryeans, fuck (whats her name?) Stormborn. ---
**Author:** ![seren\_the\_hylian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/seren_the_hylian/32/88603_2.png) [@seren\_the\_hylian](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/seren_the_hylian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/564 "2019-02-18T21:32:30Z")
I tried to romance Yakov by following the guide here, but in chapter 5 I don’t have any dialogue options that matches the one written in the FAQ. I can only make a comment about his past life and then he asks about my future goals… did the dialogue options changed in some updating? What should I do? ---
**Author:** ![daydreamsincolor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/daydreamsincolor/32/82201_2.png) [@daydreamsincolor](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/daydreamsincolor)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/565 "2019-02-18T22:12:55Z")
> [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > would you consider just letting us set our mc stats and relationship(s) Sure, I’ll make that an option. > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > cannot have his July birthday Altair would say they should have a half birthday celebration instead. > [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > Davina is the one who gets to walk scot free Mostly, although she still needs her regular interrogation sessions with Seraphina… > [@MIGSey](#): > > Wait, how so They’re second cousins. @seren_the_hylian If MC has \>= 60 relationship with Yakov, they’ll be given one of the four options below during the conversation in Chapter 5. Picking the one available will set MC on his romance route. - “But what if my reason’s sitting opposite me?” - “Are you dating anyone?” - “For example, I don’t know if you’re dating anyone.” - “No significant other?” ---
**Author:** ![seren\_the\_hylian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/seren_the_hylian/32/88603_2.png) [@seren\_the\_hylian](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/seren_the_hylian)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/566 "2019-02-18T22:57:20Z")
Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Stalker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/dark_stalker/32/3196_2.png) [@Dark\_Stalker](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Dark_Stalker)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 3:27am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/567 "2019-02-19T03:27:46Z")
> [@daydreamsincolor](#): > > Guess who the main villain is for book two?? 😝 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/original/3X/3/5/35f9b15b41d16488903c0224344fb1d9ea14677b.jpeg) A flying spaghetti god? ---
**Author:** ![babyboy524](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/babyboy524/32/85202_2.png) [@babyboy524](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/babyboy524)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/568 "2019-02-19T18:13:56Z")
Okay how do you romance Cyrus because I can’t get his stat to 60%. ---
**Author:** ![Disciple](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/disciple/32/34398_2.png) [@Disciple](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Disciple)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/569 "2019-02-20T03:07:22Z")
You’re lucky in that Leon’s clothing is easy to steal, and you’re able to coerce Astrid into spelling it to fit you. I love high cunning playthroughs. If we import a high cunning character can we have them have stolen the notes from a second year Magi student before they left for break? Or better yet buy them with our less than usefull funds? Also I am guessing you probably would rather not work in a few chaotic favoring choices to improve your grades this late when you have just about finished the first chapter of the sequel, but what about a short dialogue about getting in touch with your old self that allows you to reorient one personality stat in your favored direction? Maybe during an embarressing scrapbook scene with your parent/parents? ---
**Author:** ![daydreamsincolor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/daydreamsincolor/32/82201_2.png) [@daydreamsincolor](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/daydreamsincolor)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 1:41pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353/570 "2019-02-20T13:41:37Z")
@babyboy524 Guide to romancing Cyrus: Don’t choose “I’m not interested in anyone.” or “I’m only interested in girls" when Thalia asks in Chapter 3; have a relationship \> 60 with him; find Leon, Cyrus, and Cressida in Chapter 5; don’t choose “Fun…” or “How have you been, Cressida?”; choose "I might have some plans of my own—if you’re free tonight.”; choose “See if Cyrus is free to go out.” in Chapter 7. As for some ways to get his stat up to 60: - Chapter 1: Answer for yourself in the hospital; separate from Astrid; say Cressida can point you in the right direction. - Chapter 2: Introduce yourself when he asks who you are. - Chapter 3: Talk to him at the party; say it felt normal when asked about your experiences thus far; ask about the summer solstice; when Leon asks say that both of them seemed unfriendly. - Chapter 4: Talk to him during lunch. - Chapter 5: Talk to him; ask why he’s there. > [@Disciple](#): > > can we have them have stolen the notes from a second year Magi student before they left for break Potentially in the sequel with high enough chaotic. Thanks for the idea! > [@Disciple](#): > > reorient one personality stat There are already a lot of personality stat setting choices in the first chapter, so I’m not sure how necessary that would be. If you still think it would be necessary once you see the first chapter, please let me know. [Previous page](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/keeper-of-the-sun-and-moon-discussion/50353.md?page=29)