Keeper of Day and Night (WIP - Updated 7/28/19, Post 955)

I really thought by now you’d know the obvious answer was yes :sweat_smile:

Must suck for your MC… but hey, new idea for book 4 for incompetent MCs!! aka us poor fools who didnt pass the stat checks :sob:

On a serious note, I doubt it’ll be that way. Sure, MC doesn’t know how to do a simple pocket ritual. But we can defeat a demon and use high-level magic to some extent. We got a good chunk of the basics down, or else we wouldn’t have passed the classes in book one.

According to the author every RO’s subplot has a happy, neutral, and bad ending. So I guess at the end of book two??

Reyna was the one who conjured the demon, even with our suitemates with us we got kidnapped, how is it our fault exactly??

Honestly I believe that MC can actually have some errors once in a while and if it’s just the basics we have to learn I doubt there’ll be a lot of errors at all since they’re simple spells.

Okay, so this man who lived until his late 20’s or 30’s is a keeper and did not have MOS. So how come MC could get it so easily just because of “junkie magic” when Brant used the same type of magic and would’ve been fine and lived longer if it weren’t for the attack? MC is inexperienced, but since Brant has lived in Magi society his whole life and practiced magic a lot longer than MC it’d make sense that he’d develop MOS easier than MC because he has used magic much longer and more than us. Back to my other point, I actually think MC has room for trial and error and to learn and grow from their mistakes. We know that MC can develop MOS in-game, but I actually don’t think it’s so easy to get that MC would have to avoid making mistakes as much as possible, even though as a player a playthrough without any mistakes would be amazing.


Naaahhhh. Trial and Error.

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Technically it was the mc, under duress, but we’ve only got Kol, if he even remembers after waking up, as a witness to that duress fact and as they say in pig-latin: “Unus testis nullus testis”. More freely translated as only a single “witness” without strong corroborating evidence is most often not enough.
Still it was the mc who, spoke the words and did the incantations and thus made the summoning possible in the first place and if that fact ever gets out then for the purpose of civil litigation seeking damages we might as well have been born bankrupt. :unamused:
A Keeper with the requisite knowledge and power might have been able to sabotage the ritual or simply evaded capture in the first place. In the end it was still the mc who spoke the incantations, not Reyna.

Sure, once in a while, but if we must do extensive practice of not only high level but also basic magic we’re probably cutting our margin for error to the bone, whereas Brant or any other Keeper who learned more naturally simply had more time and less pressure and thus a much larger margin for error, in addition to better education to begin with.

Because the mc must try to play catch-up meaning they have to use a lot more magic to condense an awful lot of practice into a very small time-frame, which erodes our margin for error and is likely to have mc skirting right along the edge of MOS.

Indeed, inexperienced and under-resourced which further increases the probability for error.

Indeed, a lot more practice spread out over lots more time by definition means a higher margin for error and less risk of MOS and even if he did incur MOS at one point or another…well he did have the resources for swanky rehab.

I don’t know, I guess it also depends on what powers the mc likes to use but if you rely heavily on say elemental magic (or anything that adds those +1’s on magic use often) I think our margin for error is going to be rather thin.

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This might be a weird comparison… So basically if a robber broke in, pointed a gun at you and told you to give them all your belongings, it’d be your fault for getting robbed because you weren’t a trained and experienced police officer???

In the end it was you who gave the money to the robber.

MC was threatened by Reyna, MC did not know about their keeper status before they got hospitalized, MC was forced to chant the incantations

We’re lucky MC got a special keeper class and is going to be (possibly) training with the nymphs then, phew.

Which is why MC should take their time and experience errors to know what to avoid to be able to use their magic to the fullest extent whilst being able to avoid mistakes. Not to mention they won’t be training alone, they’ll have help to enhance their training so the chances for errors will minimize. Maybe it’d even decrease if they only used magic during training or practicing while avoiding it in every other situations except if they’re in a serious life threatening situation. That way they could train and enhance their magic ability but keeping the risk of getting MOS low. Magic isn’t the only option that can save us from a situation, even if it is the handiest.

And that’s the reason to why our MC is getting help and resources. Maybe not as fancy as the other keepers, but they’d still get help. But I thought you decided that your MC dislikes being a keeper and rejects their keeper status? It’d be hard to develop your keeper powers while avoiding them as much as possible.

MC could afford potions to help with their nightmares, I believe they can afford some treatment if they got MOS.

By the power of the replay button, we shall no longer commit any mistakes or errors!


Handing over money is not itself a crime *, in this situation the robber is the only one breaking the law. The mc’s situation is legal duress, they broke the law (knowingly or not) under imminent threat. In our situation the mc actually committed a crime themselves (which is required for legal duress, as opposed to what most people view as duress). It is up to the jurisdiction how duress is handled as a defence, we seem to allow more leeway with it than the Americans for example, which is bad for the mc. Duress can be bitch as a defence, it is often hard to prove (our mc for example would have only one witness to establish the presence of duress, which might not hold up to begin with) and in many jurisdictions it is not allowed for all crimes. Murder is most often excluded, but manslaughter is also tricky and that is what his crime possibly made the mc an accessory to multiple counts of manslaughter counting all the people the demon may have killed.

Still there is always prosecutorial and judicial discretion and if those fail a pardon, so it is indeed highly unlikely the mc would face criminal troubles for their actions, but then my mc would dread a civil suit much more and those are not so easily held at bay. :worried:

Civil suits have even less of a burden of proof to overcome and allow culpability to be split much more. Even if they ruled that Reyna and co are 90% responsible for the damages caused by the demon rampage in a civil suit the remaining 10% is probably still enough to bankrupt my mc for life.

All this to say that it seems to me the mc’s legal situation, at least on the civil front, looks rather grim if the truth ever came out.

On top of an already overloaded schedule, which doesn’t do wonders for learning either.

Yeah, but then we’ll never learn basic and utility magic before the midlife crisis as we simply cannot risk sparing the power to practice anything other than combat or healing magic.
And it still sucks big time that the mc cannot use minor magic, such as the clothes-resizing thing or the cat-ears prank. :disappointed:

He does but them broadcasting it to the world basically makes it impossible to avoid the whole Keeper nonsense. If my mc had his way they never would have made the announcement and my mc would complete his studies as a normal student for his chosen subject. In-universe my mc is likely to have tried everything he could think up to stop or significantly delay the announcement, including begging all his friends, pleading with the Secretaries, etc, etc. All ultimately to no avail whatsoever. :unamused:
Also simply being a keeper makes all our magic dangerous and much more likely to cause MOS if used frequently, so even if my mc avoids the specific keeper powers he’s still much more likely than the average magi to get MOS from simply using “normal” powers such as elemental manipulation and telekinesis and maybe even more minor magic.

Some treatment maybe, but nice rehab (of the kind Brant and most our friends in the magical world would use) is very, very expensive.Particularly in the US where medical costs are already ludicrous for normal treatment, but even here the state would only pay for basic rehab, which is exactly what is says on the tin, very basic and it may not be sufficient for people with complex problems. Which means they need to come up with additional funds to afford better and while that still wouldn’t be as expensive as it would be in the US it’s still not exactly cheap either. But the mc as an American will be absolutely price-gouged.

Yeah, we know that our mc’s don’t. Plus I don’t tend to play that way, otherwise my mc wouldn’t have tried the monarda in his test (which he failed at because he lacked the fighting skill required to shove it down the simulated monster’s throat but would have used ice magic, which would have yielded a much better result).


I was told by COG that a save system would be added around the time when the sequel is either submitted or published!

Someone might threaten MC with the knowledge, but let’s be honest—I don’t have the energy for more than one legal drama a book :sweat_smile:


Book three is just gonna be MC sitting in a courtroom isn’t it


That someone can practically only be Davina or her father, Reyna and Jaime are dead and Kol is in a coma, only Davina’s testimony against the mc in a civil suit could probably connect the dots of the circumstantial evidence well-enough to make it legally actionable and the mc liable even in a civil suit (yes you made me look into US liability law a bit). Davina’'s (or technically Kol’s but he is both a friend and in a coma) could legally connect the dots. Without it there is a lot of strong circumstantial evidence, but nothing a good lawyer couldn’t get the mc out from under. Of course the mc with our chronic lack of resources probably couldn’t afford even a decent lawyer, let alone a good one, but that is a rather different matter.

So if the mc is blackmailed it almost certainly has to originate from Davina or someone connected to her. In games where Reyna lives the burden of proof becomes far easier for them to meet as Reyna could just be backed up by Davina, but at least for my main mc that’s not the case.

Anyway it is not as if my mc has any money to give to the would-be blackmailers, as he makes at most $2000 as a summer camp counselor, which given his ridiculously overloaded schedule has to last him the entire year. That’s well below the poverty line, even counting the free room and board. The only reason he manages to still look somewhat decent is due to the ungodly amounts of borrowing from Leon.

Are upperclassmen only seniors in the USA or do Alty and Cy as juniors count already?
If so what sweet rides if any do Alty and Cy have? (And I guess we get to see Leon’s in book 3 maybe. Sadly the mc’s shoestring budget and minimal resources only allow for one mode of transportation, walking. :disappointed: Which is too bad because my mc really misses having his own car.)

Between various ways of “exercising” with Alty and going to the gym I think my mc has that covered. :wink:Like I said he really misses having his own car. :sob:

Also at this point my mc has trouble even affording decent shoes (unless he “borrows” those from Leon too), so even the mode of transportation he can afford may not be all that comfortable or luxurious. :unamused:

Having no transportation of your own, particularly in America means having very little freedom as you always need to depend on others to literally get anywhere. While my mc was never rich he also wasn’t poor until he was forced to enter the magical world. It’s even worse now that we’re also forced to be a “celebrity”. :unamused:
In a very literal sense no longer having a car of his own means my mc is both poorer and less free than he was before even while having to mingle with the upper crust and pretending to be a “celebrity”.
Thus far the magical world has only caused a steep deterioration in his material circumstances to the point where he gets by only in large part due to “borrowing” from Leon.

Hey, daily exercise is vital!! Hm, maybe public transportation if you’re lazy like me :laughing: Or you can rely on a trustworthy bike


My understanding was that MOS, while painful, was something you could recover from/work with (one character’s reaction to the MC getting it was “you’ll just have to be more from now on”), and not so different from playing a human character. In either case, it sounds more like, say, pulling a muscle than OD-ing.

I agree with @Fay that it’s probably difficult to get.

I go to a college on a hill. It’s not so bad, and he’ll have very strong calves!


My MC: So, let me get this straight, Celosia wants you to interrogate Davina, Davina refuses to talk with you no matter what you do and she wants me to be present?
Sera: Precisely.
My MC: ME?.
Sera: Yes! You.

My MC: …Ok I’ll do it, on two conditions.
Sera: Conditions?
My MC: I need everything on this list and most important of all, no matter what I do, do not stop me.

My MC: Hey there Davina! Haven’t seen you around much, but I understand you’re probably very busy nowadays, but you’re looking good since the last time I saw you! Got over that whole mental breakdown really smoothly.
Healthy and all that, have you been eating well? And you seem to be very comfortable sitting on that couch eh? Tell me, ever heard about a place called Guan Bay? No? Oh well, never too late to learn something new about the world, right?

In case no one noticed, Davina wouldn’t be alive if I had my way.
Reyna and Jaime already kicked the bucket, you’re next Conti.


MC: I’ll do it because I love you more than I hate Davina

Seraphina: Seraphina.OS has stopped working. Please reboot system; if error message occurs again, contact support staff with detailed description of the bug


That was a good one :rofl: but seriously Conti has to get it, you don’t plan demon world domination, tries to kill me and my friends and walks scot free buddy, not on my watch. Gorlami?
It isn’t hate, it’s principle.

There’s only one court scene currently planned, and it’s for book two :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

They don’t. Neither of them particularly likes driving, and public and university transport are convenient. (Altair also gets anxious driving.)

Starting college on a hill in two weeks! :smile:


Starting on the college life? Good luck, author! :blush:


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Wha!? :astonished: Okay I can see Alty not liking to drive in hindsight :thinking: , but Cy, come on a cool vehicle or two is part of the whole “bad boy” appeal.
So once we get to the last book which one of our suitemates will have vehicles, or would that be limited to only Leon?

My mc misses driving, particularly if the magical world still has those cool hoverbikes or even hovercars. :persevere:
At least on the positive side if my mc does ever manage to obtain another personal vehicle there would be no ceaseless bickering and arguments with Alty over who gets to drive it.

I wouldn’t call it soaring, considering our mc’s have an overloaded schedule and are likely chronically sleep-deprived by now. Which means they could learn even more and better with a less overloaded schedule. On that account I think the author should at least consider adding an extra book for the “normal” four year college experience. I mean since this magical university has disrupted all of my mc’s plans for his normal life anyway he wouldn’t even know what to do even if he graduates early, making early graduation effectively worthless for him (it saves the magical world some money on the scholarship and means we get even less time to prepare ourselves with extracurriculars, so all in all for my mc it is kind of a bum deal).

good luck! i loved every minute of college, it’s a great experience

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I just died on the inside realising that it’s back to 8 hours of classes in 2 weeks
Best of luck to you in college though

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I’m fine with MC & co doing college stuff, and my MC is literally soaring through her classes with that huge intelligence stat I’ve raised. I just wish it applied to real life :sweat_smile: oh well, gotta work hard!

Not worried about my MC either, he’ll do fine, however me actually putting in the effort for anything? No thanks I’d much rather be irresponsible and do nothing all day