I don’t recall Seven and MC fight at a party when I made him a him as well as BFF only.
The fight happens whether you’re bffs or romantically involved. The whole ordeal with Seven is a huge part of the plot, no matter which you choose, and you’re forced to care about Seven either way. It’s part of the plot.
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I actually think I’m starting to understand Avina’s thing about them being “Seven’s Seven.” Avina feels more for Seven than Seven feels for them.
I think when Seven does have to stop thinking so much about Mc and giving them so much importance, because I myself was anxious reading them views around Mc (even the one on the first date)
they doesn’t want to give Mc power over them, not realizing that they’s already doing it because they still thinks and feels too much about Mc.
And poor Mc is paying for it when it’s not even they’s fault that Seven feels that way.
Mc will never stop being important in Seven’s life (7 said it, not me) they still cares a lot about Mc, gets angry on them behalf, defends Mc.
I think in the end they will share their life with each other being important to each other but knowing that life could go on if they both separated.
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Seven’s opinion isn’t necessarily the truth of it, though. I don’t think because Seven or Avina or whoever, thinks it, the narrative is also trying to assert this as truth.
These characters seem to be wrong about a lot of things and I’d assert that that’s part of the narrative journey (we’re just in a WIP, stuck in the early parts where everyone still has their head in the sand or up their own ass).
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Excellent description.
I get what you’re saying, I just feel like there are certain things set in stone by the narrative and will remain that way through the end (just like MC is going to be so awful in the flashback, no matter what you choose, that it justifies Seven dumping them). I could be wrong, but what we’ve seen of how things will be in the “future”, I don’t think I am.
I love Seven as a character, which is why I just find it disappointing that things seem to be headed in the direction of MC being an outsider in their own relationship with Seven, while Avina plays the platonic (???) soulmate role who sleeps with Seven while MC sleeps alone. Oh, but they can see each other for five minutes a month, when Seven can peel Avina off of them! Hooray…
It’s not just Seven, either. MC is really all kinds of fucked no matter what LI they choose–I think bittersweet is the best we’re gonna get, no matter who it’s with. The closest thing to an actually happy ending will probably be with August. Maybe Seb or O. The others seem to be varying degrees of “have a little pain” in impossible relationships that obviously won’t last long, if they ever get off the ground at all.
That’s why I just want my MCs to win this damned thing. They deserve to have some sort of happiness in their lives, and if getting to write and perform music for the next 10-20 years is the only option for that? I think they’d even work for Viktor, and they’d be the best damned employees that asshole ever had.
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Lol, I tell it like I see it.
From my perspective, something like “Avina and Seven are OTP” and “meant to be” is something we’d see reinforced over a long period of time and I’d argue we are being shown the opposite so far - like hardcore. I don’t see two characters comfortably in sync with each other when I look at Avina and Seven in a scene together. And I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Avina being insecure over MC/clingy/desperate for validation from Seven and Seven trying to convince themself that Avina is a good friend and a better friend/partner than the MC is not us being shown the truth of a situation - that’s just what these characters want to be true. Neither of them really even knows how to be good for each other at this point.
We’re in chapter 3 of possibly 20, so I’m just not sold that these dummies know what’s what yet. None of them, lol.
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For all the Seven route doubters. Vindication. Obstacle? Yeah. Reciprocated? Nope.
No one can twist it cause atp it would just be hating to hate.
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It’s especially hilarious seeing this after reading the resent Seven POV. So many lines and remarks that are the complete opposite of the “Avina is their true soulmate” narrative. Like at this point I doubt they are even a friend. Which is absolutely heartbreaking for Avina. Poor Avina. Lol
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I promise not to discuss patreon content in detail, as to respect both the author and the rest of the fanbase, but I just read Sev’s pov and wow did it feel good sdjfls.
Not only were my takes vindicated, but also Seven’s comments about Avina? Chef kiss. It was just so nice to see some stuff validated. 
I hope everyone had a good month (couple of months? I don’t remember the last time I commented and autumn is flying by help) and if there’s a place where we can talk about patreon content please let me know because I’d love to keep chatting about the wip without ruining anyone’s fun. 
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Oh, I always knew that Sevie will never forget MC in favour of some rando. It’s always delightful to be right.
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It’s always been pretty obvious to me that a) MC is an unreliable narrator because → b) Seven thinks A only to say Z. Ergo the “first person pov” you get as a reader will always be influenced by MC telling the reader “seven and I touched shoulders and they pulled away as if disgusted.”
Which is why I get it when people say they don’t vibe with the route.
However, having read my fair share of novels etc etc, it’s not too complicated to connect the dots, especially when you read the povs. Obviously if you’re like me and can’t pretend you don’t know xyz information, we’ve also discussed how other readers prefer to “roleplay” fully.
Meaning: my character doesn’t know about x so I’ll play along and won’t be biased. Which is all good and well, unless we’re having a discussion outside the roleplaying/headcanon aspect and you still claim Seven in an uncaring asshat.
Seven is a little shit by all definitions, we’ve chatted plenty about how a lot of these characters behave like children, but saying they don’t give a shit when the text says differently is another story.
I dislike Avina plenty, their behavior gives me the ick even outside the whole sevenmancer shenanigans, but I have to trust both the text and the author when I’m told in not so little words yeah maybe there’s something going on in Avina’s head, for one reason or the other, but it won’t affect endgame bc Seven doesn’t reciprocate. It would be a very weird and honestly awful move on an author’s part to straight up lie to their audience, no?
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Not seeing how that ask/answer is showing that Seven doesn’t care for Avina? It literally says 7 is worried Avina being mean to MC would give them the ick, inferring they don’t want the ick because they need Avina around. Plus, there are little things like the physical closeness between them, Seven’s inability to be away from Avina for any time at all (they literally can’t function without Avina nearby, and that’s something we see on the bus if you choose to share it with SV), and Seven unwittingly singing to Avina like they used to sing to the MC.
The thing that is honestly making me hold onto the belief that MC and Seven will never be close is the VD special, because it literally gives us a glimpse into what we’re going to get several months into a renewed relationship with Seven, which is:
- You are together, but aren’t really together, because you’re just friends.
- Seven wants everyone to think you still hate each other and wants no one to know you’re together again (which, you really aren’t, so what’s there to know other than the fact that you don’t hate each other??).
- You aren’t allowed to touch them and they barely touch you, while (assuming this, since there’s no commitment or acknowledgment of being together) Avina still crawls all over them and has their hand almost up Seven’s crotch on a regular basis. And they are likely still sleeping together and glued at the hip 24/7, since the special makes it abundantly clear that SV and Avina are Seven’s priority and what Seven’s life centers around, not MC.
- While Seven “thinks” about the MC, they don’t want to actually be around them much and work to keep MC at arm’s length until the MC goes begging for some crumbs.
- The last line is like having ice water thrown on you, again reiterating that there’s really no room in 7’s life for the MC, because all that matters is SV, Avina, and their mom (and whoever the chick is in the picture on their phone). And this is supposed to be a hopeful statement, I think, because “Seven will make room for MC” at some point, which I take to mean that MC has to accept being at the bottom of the barrel of 7’s priorities.
And yes, I know Amy said she knows 7 distancing themselves is unhealthy, but this is months into their not-a-relationship. Considering BOTB only lasts ten weeks, and it’ll take most of that to get to a point where 7 will even consider getting back together with the MC, we probably never will get to see 7 not being distant.
That said, I am just hoping we aren’t forced to constantly chase 7 down to beg for scraps of attention like happens in the VD special. It was both disrespectful to 7’s wishes and, just as bad, made the MC look like a damned pathetic doormat. I can roll with the MC loving 7 more than 7 loves them, but if 7 wants to be distant, I think MC should be able to give that to them and completely avoid them until 7 pulls their head out of their ass. Plus, at some point, I’d like the MC be able to call 7 on it and tell them they started over with both feet out the door, walking away, and not even looking back, and that MC is out, because it’s a losing battle and they deserve better than to be left sitting around hoping for some attention while 7 lives his life with other people and only spares MC a few seconds, if that much–if 7 ever actually comes to the conclusion that they care enough about the MC to embrace them as part of their life, they have their number. If not, have a nice life with Avina growing out of their ass.
It wouldn’t be the first time. And words can easily be twisted so as to seem to mean one thing while meaning another, in the name of avoiding spoilers.
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Do they need to stop caring for Avina’s friendship altogether for it to be cool? There is absolutely no reason for the Seven and Avina are made together argument again, it’s baseless, especially after that pov. The two couldn’t be further in understanding each other.
It seems like Seven is drawn more to Avina’s “yes” attitude than to Avina as a person. If someone else indulged them in the same way, they might have become just as codependent with that person. Of course, now they’re friends and there’s that connection, but there wasn’t some “it’s fate” draw or whatever that brought them together, just simply someone with too much blind loyalty.
That question is as straightforward as it comes. If Avina were to be mean to Mc, Seven would take Mc’s side.
If Mc was mean to Avina? They’d lose points, but iirc, Seven didn’t come to their defense.
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No. But you said it shows the care is not reciprocated, and I’m not seeing that stated anywhere in that answer.
This, we can agree on.
Maybe, but I’m still seeing a strong connection there. And feelings. What Seven feels for Avina may not be categorized the same as what Avina clearly feels for Seven, but they do love each other, and are basically the center of each other’s lives, at this point (even if 7’s mind is on the MC whenever MC is in sight).
And if MC is not nice to Avina, Seven gets mad at the MC and MC loses points with them. So it works both ways.
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You read the pov, you read the question, there’s not much I can say to convince otherwise. Personally, I think it’s literally written out that Seven only cares for Avina as a friend, and in comparison to Mc who they supposedly hate, Avina doesn’t mean anything but a tool for their pettiness to get back at Mc.
Edit:I’m aware that Seven actually cares for Avina, just an exaggeration to get the point across.
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I think this is patently false. Avina means a lot to Seven. I don’t think Seven realizes the way Avina sees them, though, and that Avina is in love with them. I think Seven realizing that would change some things.
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Every ten business days, Amy sits down and gently tells readers that Seven and Avina’s friendship is deeply imbalanced and unhealthy, and people ignore it and insist that Amy is actually hinting at Savina endgame because she posted on a full moon and mercury is in retrograde.
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I don’t know what she could even say at this point. There would be no point to lying about something like that, as it would piss a lot of people off, and everything we’ve seen so far, from the demo to the Tumblr asks to the Patreon extras, supports Amy’s assertion that Seven and Avina’s friendship has deep rooted issues and that it most definitely isn’t a love triangle.
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Meaning a lot does not equate to the power over Seven Avina is being given in this scenario. Seven must have an inkling of it for someone so emotionally connected. I think it would have a negative effect though if they straight up confessed, Seven would probably feel like a jerk for using and leading them on and awkward cause of their anti-band member relationships.
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[Emphasis mine.] I don’t know if I’d go that far - but I think you were spot on earlier in identifying that Avina’s validation of Seven and their feelings (probably in particular regarding MC/Sev’s old band early in their friendship) as a significant part of the foundation of their relationship. I will also concede that yes, Seven is clearly not above using their friendship with Avina to attempt to make the MC jealous.
This made me laugh out loud. Yeah…
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Well sure, but like I said in the past imo that valentine thing is very situational. Like take Blake’s too for example, don’t you think that it’s a little too much too soon if you think about it without adding the nugget that “it’s a valentine scene meant to be taken as a little treat”?
I don’t agree with the points because idk it’s the completely different feeling I got. Amy said that’s Seven trying to keep it slow bc they feel too much, which was also confirmed in the latest pov, so I can’t just take them wanting to make this work as MC and Seven will never happen. Also don’t agree with the supposed reiteration of there being no space for MC because that’s just ??? a wild take?
I don’t know, your view of that pov is so negative and it’s baffling to me because I thought it was pretty sweet and generally standard? And obviously this isn’t meant to be a jab, I’m just spitballing.
I think that the whole “she’s not saying the truth to avoid spoilers” is silly talk, because if she ends up lying to that extent people will come for her afterwards. There are literally no pros.
exactly this. Didn’t mean to say basically the same thing, I saw this afterwards. It would be just… really, really stupid on her part.
Plus like [Sev POV spoilers] this time around you get to see Seven actually say out loud how they don’t like certain aspects of Avina’s character, so saying they’re blindly hanging from their lips is just straight up wrong? Are they friends? Yes. Does Sev care? Obviously. Does this mean Avina could spit on MC and Seven would be okay? Hell no. You joke about the band thing, Avina laughs and Seven is pissed. What do you mean they’re blindly following them
Edit: almost forgot. You can be mad at like sev’s pettiness, but also I would remind people that you can be just as petty + being petty is (also) just another sign of Seven being a stupid ass stinker stuck in their own mental wanderings. Pettiness isn’t always about hate or negative feelings, sometimes you’re just hurt and act like a child. Which is no justification, but that goes unsaid and is beside the point.
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