The things is that Elya is accustomed to the politics of court and etc. The Marshal themselves notes that Elya is doing fine at the feast (if she is strong enough, I suppose). Yes, the Marshal shines at war, true, but they barely can live a life outside of that, I doubt they will be good at preventing those wars per se. And Elya has her own skill set, more suited for peaceful times, and if she grows herself a backbone, she is able to use that skillset and gain positive results. She is no warrior queen, not really, but she will do better than the Marshal once it is over.
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She will die 100% She canât win Rade .Rade is cunning and have many experience in military .Belive me no change to win hahaha
Iâm not saying it wouldnât be a horrific battle, itâs just that assuming that the beginning holds true and rade can be repulsed from the siege then she has a fighting chance if she is able to garner support from nearby nobility, which with her political strength is completely possible.
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Where will she get army for against Rade ? Noble ? I donât think they will help Elya (without MC) If No change to win . I think Mostly Noble will choose winning side even they donât like whoever in charge .
Well, yeah, I also donât think that Elya would have a fighting chance without Marshal. She was completely ruined after her father and brotherâs deaths, so she would be in no place to hold council and get that advice. Plus the thing is, that both Milon and Oberon have zero real expirience and Rade would absolutely wipe floor with them, no doubt about that. I mean, if the realm had more war experts than Rade and a fifteen-years-old, wouldnât they participate at the War? But since it was us and Rade at the helm of the things then it means that these two are the biggest brains and the only ones with actual expirience.
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Take it up with the god of the world @Bacondoneright for your request of light cavalry at that point of the game :: grins ::
I could add more but dont feel like it right now lol
I will say i will disaggree with your assement when it comes to the maintaining of arms and armor vs the maintianing of horse heavy or light. At least in part there are exceptions to the rule and what have you but yeah back to bed i go lol
Have fun everybody and hope your all doing well this day. 
I disagree with the idea that the Marshal and Rade were the only ones at the helm during the Border Wars. We see, at the start, that the Marshal is very much a fish out of water during the Border Wars. The Marshal rose through the ranks and proved themselves, yes, but there were others besides the Marshal and Rade. It is possible they are some of the only ones LEFT after the war though. The Border Wars are characterised as particularly brutal and likely decimated the command structure of the kingdom.
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While itâs true they donât have actual real practical experience we could assume that they have some baseline competency towards how to manage and use an army as obren acts multiple times as an advisor for military strategy. Are they particularly good at it? Not necessarily. But again, Elya does have the capacity to be able to win the war. Would this win come out as a pyrrhic victory? most likely.
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She canât. War is Art for commanding Army + experiences . She lack both like her brothers . She canât win Rade who have both for decade
I think Elya is shown as particularly adept at navigating the politics of the realm. While she might have issues creating a good command structure without the Marshal I do think she could rally the nobles to her cause, though that would depend entirely on if Vedran is still alive or not. If Vedran is dead, as the last heir of House Stiedry, I feel she could rally both noble and popular support. Her ability to do that is shown is several places, notably bargaining with the noble after the snowstorm (canât remember his name right now) and in the scene where she is shown winning over the people of Krorid.
However if Vedran is alive, the nobles especially, along with the Church, are shown to much prefer male heirs. I donât think even Sobrikâs post mortem note would serve to legtimise Elyaâs claim in that situation.
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If she do (Donât forget the fact Elya never have gone war before or win war without Marshall), how she win both Marshall and Rade ? Itâs very hight risk for Nobles house in choosing side in war. If she lose, that Noble house maybe will eliminated by Marshall or Rade . I donât think The Noble can take that high risk.
We do know he does not have the authority and all will depend on the legate of the Holy Father.
Theoretically the Holy Father or his Legate can probably declare the mc legitimate far easier than the restoring of their honor. On a route where the mc does not usurp Elya can probably legitimize the mc too, as even a legitimized bastard is dead last in the line of succession in most cases, it is just that without legitimization bastards tend not to be in the line of succession at all. But all of that serves no purpose as long as the mc is dishonored.
And of course my mc does not want it in the first place because the chief benefit would be to Elya in the sense that the mc then becomes a strategic marriage asset as any other prince(ss) would be. Exactly the fate my mc wants to avoid. As I spelled out a few posts back the practical benefits to the mc who does not plan to usurp will be negligible unless your mc wants to marry Milon or Lada I suppose. Since my mc is gay that does not figure into his calculations.
I agree as far as public perception in Kanton goes the mc will never truly be legitimate. If the mc wants to be a figurehead of state who is seen as legitimate Krorid is their best bet.
For my mc the conditions to accept any sort of rulership of Krorid for the sake of Elyaâs alliance would still be no marriage and no signet ring as official conditions and unofficially my mc knows heâs shit at the peacetime aspects of ruling so those would depend on a good prime minister like figure to do the actual peacetime ruling and administration of the realm being present, or alternatively they can be done by council I suppose.
Oh, if not for the dishonor Elya would probably have done legitimization right after her coronation, if your mashall is on good terms with their sister, but since dishonor seems to trump legitimization it would serve no purpose at present and provide no benefits to either the mc or Elya.
Well one reason why my mc would not want to marry, even in the hypothetical case of re-honoring, is that because of the missing signet ring the mc would always be seen as the lesser partner and that any marriage would mean that they would either de-jure (if not re-honored) and de-facto be placed under a guardianship by their spouse, because the mc can clearly not handle adult responsibilities or power and the missing fingers prove it to everybody. 
Again, it is why my mc particularly if he does accept rulership of Krorid will never, ever consent to marriage.
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Sobikâs post-mortem note is first disregarded by Belos (who dies soon after). Vedran only regards the Marshal for advice (and appears open to honoring the âpromote the Marshalâ bit without the note prompting him) when it is brutally demonstrated that the Marshal knows what theyâre talking about when it comes to war. It is then honored by Elya (because the Marshal is her full sibling in her eyes and sheâs having a rather human response to losing two immediate family members in less than six months and then being thrust into a position of absolute power that sheâs Iâll-prepared to take). It is also honored by the Bishop of Wrido with some prompting (and some threateningâletâs be real).
Milon (and Lada too, but Milon makes my list of Greatest CSG ROs of All Time so I cite him more often) was considering marriage to the Marshal before the prospect of the Marshal being rehonored was on the table (and if your theory is correct, before he learned that this esoteric knowledge he had was suddenly applicable to the love of his life). I think heâs fine with pinky rings and a lifetime of gossip (and so is Lada).
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I am sure that the Erisians had their own equivalents to Present-day Rade. But the Marshal, a green, traumatized fifteen-year old described in the chapter 5 flashback as âutterly lacking in intimidationâ grew into the Erisiansâ (from the rank and file to the high command) living nightmare and earned the absolute adoration and love of the Kroridian populace that likely saw them as a load, a child, a Kantonian scum at the start of the war. Iâm not saying that sheâd always land on her feet and become known as the greatest ruler of Kanton ever without the Marshal as part of her high command (or basically any scenario except the canon story or one wherein the Marshal works with Radeâthe author has established that a pro-Rade route would be too short a story), but I donât think sheâd fold like wet tissue either.
At the start of the game, the Marshal could not successfully coup because they are a dishonored bastard with no army. Theyâd be laughed out of the castle if they were lucky and killed if they werenât (and while they are a very good soldier and would probably kill many in their escape, it is well established that they are not invincible and can be beaten).
@Marx041 Warning the nobles will have a positive effect in Book 2 (at the coronation in Book 1, two nobles publicly pledge fealty to Elya and the Marshal because the Marshal gave them/their families a chance to flee Wrido before it is besieged). However it means you start with fewer heavy cavalry which makes certain achievements/scenarios difficult or impossible.
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I believe my MC will be legitimized by his beloved sister Elya and allowed to marry as he pleases, because I am an idiot optimist who cannot read the room.
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Keep in mind that at the start of the Border Wars the Marshal was a completely inexperienced teenager as well, who went on to become an accomplished commander and we see Elya grow stronger and more confident in martial terms over the course of the game. There is nothing that says Elya canât potentially become an even greater commander than the Marshal, given time and experience, which a war with Rade would provide her with in spades.
Would it be an easy war? Of course not. Is it a fait accomplis that a Queen Elya without the Marshal would be unable to win? Definitely not.
Yeah but we are talking about a situation where the Marshall isnât supporting Elya. I doubt in that situation, with an alive Vedran, the nobility and church would honour the wishes of a deceased monarch when they have been shown to be quite patriarchal as a society.
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But the present day donât allow her to grow more. Rade who have experient in many decade year will return with Army in week or month . Where change to win ? Elya is just baby for war (1 year for war experience is not enough ).She have near zero change to win . plus fact, She is overthrow by Marshall. Itâs compelely zero change to win . She will war both Marshall and Rade in same time . If she want to be crown again .
Rade isnât magic. No war is won in a single battle. Even at the end of the current book, if you devastate Radeâs army completely it is shown that he is still a threat. The same would be true of Elya. Sure, she is probably guaranteed to lose a few battles but each battle lost is more martial experience.
To be clear, Iâm not saying she would be guaranteed to win. I donât even think it would be likely. You just seem convinced that Elya would get completely steamrolled, despite the evidence found in the book itself. The Marshal isnât her only military advisor, she is seen winning loyalty to herself, and she is seen getting stronger over the course of the story.
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She must win If she want crown back.War have no room for mistake . Making mistake ,you can die .I belive mostly noble will choose Marshall or Rade side. She can lack noble or solidier support even she is Legimate . Maybe miracle may help her win,but not forever .
I disagree completely that the Marshal would even be close in this discussion. There is a discussion to be had as to whether the nobles will follow Rade or Elya, but the Marshal? They are specifically shown to be absolutely awful at winning noble support and dishonouring is shown to be a huge stigma in this society (even Darin who is closest to the Marshal is wary of people who have been dishonoured).
In a three way fight between Elya, Rade and the Marshal noble support (and their military power) would be split between Elya and Rade. The Marshal would have to lean on his military connections to draw soldiers to him directly. He might be able to win over his retinue (the veterans that fought beside him in the Border Wars) and support from the Kroridâs. But he wouldnât be able to field a large amount of infantry (they are formed from levyâs that the nobility are able to call on) and he wouldnât have a huge amount of cavalry (which are formed from the upper class who wouldnât follow a bastard dishonoured).
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I really really really love this game.
One of the best I read from cog, and I read a lot lol
Also got the best romances in my opinion. Lada is unbeleivable.
I got the ending number 2,i know there is also the betrayal ending, can someone tell me the other two ? Thanks !
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