Guns of Infinity



Considering Tierra’s gotten to the point that debt is unavoidable, it would probably be a good idea to shift the debt as much as possible to domestic creditors through things like the issuing of bonds and securities. Better that Tierran citizens have a death-grip on the fiscal future of the nation as opposed to, say, Takara.

Actually selling those bonds is a challenge, but hey: modern propoganda techniques spawned in countries mired in debt and instability, they can pop up in Tierra.


Domestic loans, usually. Takara has a central banking system (the Richstaler is a fiat currency), and the idea is to build credit with domestic lenders by paying back interest on the national debt. Takara also uses its puppets as piggybanks in that sense, all-but forcing their “valued allies” to buy their debt with the full knowledge that Takara could unilaterally cancel it whenever they damn well please.


Does Kian have a debt? Or did they just write it off when they killed the dynasties before them?

“You owed the money to the previous dynasties which no longer exist… thus their debts died with them. Now I need to take out a loan to pay for this awesome coronation and instalment of my family on the Imperial throne. Merci.”


i assume the cost of one dragon pearl is 12.5 crowns (500 crown cost for 40 dragon-locks)minus cost of the gun it is placed in (master crafted with Callindrian steel so i would assume minimum of 2.5 crowns). as a result a replacement for flint is available which negates the need for dry gunpowder, and primer. at the cost of 10 crowns initial investment for a dragonpearl it does not seem exorbitant for the special units (dragoons, grenadiers, highlanders,and experimentals). especially as it allows for double rate of fire and amphibious ops. is there a reason dragon locks are not as widely used?


It’s the secret to the Civilization “economic victory”…Takara’s tax on the world…


A lot like the US, basically, where most of our debt is owed to private citizens but there’s a smaller but still substantial amount of foreign debt we’ll probably never pay off.

And after playing Endless Space for hours, I feel like “Takaran Banking” should be a faction trait…


Kian does not have a debt.

10 crowns is still pretty exorbitant (about $4250 US) for a weapon which is ultimately disposable, and most militaries cannot afford that sort of cost for a standard-issue weapon, and if a military could, then the increased demand would probably cause the price to increase tenfold.

Ultimately, as baneruned artifacts, dragonpearls still have to be made in a chantry by a Knightly Order (at least in the Northern Kingdoms), and that’s a process which could half a dozen banecasters hours, if not days.

The Takarans, on the other hand, do use dragonlocks as standard-issue, but they not only have a massive military budget, but universal banecasting.


Huh, they must be financial wizards if their kings are Bourbons and they don’t have debt. Lemme clarify, does the house of Zi’enne have debt?


While they have the 18th century House of Bourbon’s spending habits, they also have the 18th century House of Aisin Gioro’s trade balance.


Who are Tierra’s most valued trading partners? I’m certain we can scratch Antar off that list, and Kian is obviously the main breadbasket after the war.


Okay, so how is their tax base structured? Now I’m very curious because if they have a large trade income base it can probably support Imperial China’s taxation policies.


Kian and Takara, with Mersdon and Butea being distant third and fourth now that Antar’s no longer selling.

Each of the Magistrate Houses tax their own territory and sends a cut to the House of Zi’enne, which in turn maintains the Imperial Banner Army and enforces/collects trade tariffs with the fleet similarly funded by these tithes. Most of that money is ploughed back into the fleet and army, but a substantial surplus goes into the Zi’enne war chest, used to pay for military operations, and aid to ailing Magistrate Houses (assuming they’ve been deemed sufficiently loyal).

The House of Zi’enne levies no taxes on its own territory, which naturally attracts the shipping houses which do bring in tariffs.


Knowing that Takara actually struggles with some level of debt and Kian doesn’t makes me a bit uneasy about the possible unipolarity the Northern Kingdoms are trending towards.

How large is the Imperial Banner Army? And do the Magistrate Houses have the right to muster troops, or is that right reserved by the Emperor?


The Imperial Banner Army is the hard core of the Kian forces, but the bulk is made up of the armies of the Magistrate Houses, since their individual fiefdoms are technically mobilisation districts, to be activated in time of war.


When was the last time they mobilised? There had to have been a few near-wars between Takara and Kian in the last few centuries.


The main weakness of the Kian system is that it takes months, if not years to fully mobilise, and basically no circumstance short of full-scale war can justify that level of effort and expenditure.


Pull a Russia, I want you to be on 2/3 combat readiness.

Imperial Generals scratch their heads trying to figure out what that means.


i mostly did that factoring do determine any possible benefits to choosing dragon locks in sabers. the only other one i thought of was the dragon pearl used as a striker for more efficient gun design for specialty units Able to afford it. but that one had a lot of conjecture as the new gun design might not work, and even if it did you wouldn’t need to have bought 40 of them so you would have the familiarity necessary (officers don’t need to use the same equipment as the enlisted). as it stands now there is literally no benefit to buying it after sabers has concluded.


And the Imperial Banner army itself? Are they kept fully mobilized during peacetime?

If not, how does Kian typically deal with the various brush wars, both foreign and domestic, that surely pop up from time to time?


That’s not strictly true…

The Imperial Banner Army is always at full readiness, but the Kian prefer to use soft power to keep their allies in line. Likewise, they prefer to let those allies deal with their own problems, supplying financial aid and advisors if necessary, but very rarely committing their own ships and troops.