I thought that when Lance kissed Guen, he didn’t think much of it at that time. That with the adrenaline and happines that she is all right he acted without thinking, only based on his subconscious. And his subcouncious was like: “of course i can kiss her, i like her and everyone likes me so it’s nothing wrong with us kissing”. That that was his instinct, but as soon as his mind started thinking again he already knew that he shouldn’t do it, and he was astonished or even dissapointed about himself that he acted that way. That’s why i was angry at him for doing it, but still tried to be little understanding why telling him firmly to not do that again.
Also i felt that Lance’s adoration of Guen started when they first met, long before their first touch. When he sees her in the tent first time he was little smitten. So even removing the spell shouldn’t completely remove his attraction to her, but i guess that at that time he will be mature enough to “get over her” more and treat her more as a friend than love interest. And removing the spell would certainly help him to be around her without so much awkwardness, so he may face his feeling and sort them out, without the need to run away.
Anyway those were my interpretations of his behaviour that i had in my mind when playing as my canon Arthur-loving Guen 
@jeantown To me his entire character feels like Lance has experience with seduction and physical relations, but when it comes to actually having feelings for someone, things get a little chaotic. Especially if he’s having feelings for the wife of his best friend. So him making a mistake and kissing her makes sense under all that confusing weight and the situation they were in. I think it’s also incredibly human for someone to hope unconsciously that their love gets returned, and if he doesn’t push it after Guen tells him “no” in absolute terms, then I think what he’s done is an irritating mess up but not a grave crime.
I tried different versions of the kiss scene with my main Guen, and I was really into how he said he really, really shouldn’t have done that if you choose not to be taken by the passion of the moment and sleep with him. The conversation you can have with him after that adds a lot of comfort to the scene.
But I do think whether Guen romances him or not, the experience is going to mature him quite a bit. Or will knock him down a couple of pegs when it comes to women, if she refuses him. I think he’ll be less likely to assume it’s always “yes” with everyone.
@jeantown Why have we hate Elizabeth? We have a different view of story more cynical but same time more passionate. Elizabeth represented all what spain wanted in a king same for Victoria bravery guts and intelligence.We couldent suffer cowards and courtyn kings drunken and poets…
@Ponku That sounds exactly right. (: Lance has been very carefully controlling himself for three years, perhaps even congratulating himself a bit for what a good job he’s doing of staying away. Then he gets hit with a moment of extreme emotion, and his rational mind is overwhelmed for a second, but it’s only that one second before he realizes what he’s doing. Knowing that he lost his self-control like that – whether Guen welcomed it or not – will definitely change him. It should be interesting to see what happens if the spell is removed, and in the shorter term, how he’ll react when he knows exactly what the spell is. At that point, his trust stat and the way Guen has treated him will make all the difference.
@Crepsley There’s definitely an element of that. Lance is used to having things under control and everything going his way. He did actually have one other serious romantic relationship (TBA in part 3) prior to meeting Guen, but it didn’t end well, and he’s been somewhat self-protective ever since. That’s not the real him, though; he’s a romantic who very much wants to love people recklessly, and he was channeling some of that energy into his friendship with Arthur before Guen came along. I’m not sure if it’s more romantic or more self-protective that he’s genuinely grateful if Guen wants to back off from being physical (whether just in the moment or for the long term), but either way, he’s grateful. He does, of course, very very very much want to be physical with her, but he knows how problematic it is – after all, he’s been trying to avoid it for three years. In any case, no matter what happens, by the time part 4 rolls around, we will see him being more of a grownup – not that he’ll ever completely lose that streak of cockiness; he’s Lancelot, after all. (:
@poison_mara I just figured that whole defeat-of-the-Spanish-Armada thing would have made her unpopular… but I guess if the armada was really defeated by weather and not by Elizabeth, then it makes more sense. 
It’s fantastic to know that Elizabeth gets that much respect; she was definitely an amazing woman.
@jeantown That’s a lot of interesting insight, and I can appreciate both the romantic and self-protective aspects to him. It helps give background on why he’s done some of the things he has. And I definitely pegged him a romantic due to his three years of “I will be your best knight and fight everything for you!”
Here’s hoping that he takes the advice of those Guens who like him well enough, but not in that way, to heart: “Some day you’ll meet a lady more worthy of this than me.”
Lancelot channeling all that dedication towards someone attainable and interested could make a very good husband, if he’s willing to, but he does have to do so.
At least i give Lancelot kudos for controling himself for 3 years Haha i wonder how long it will take Arthur to cheat (Morgana doesnt count) Because some plays as the Guen who is non sexuell with Arthur.
And by the way @jeantown when my Guenevere gets together with Mordred, Will Mordred expect her to still be a Virgin? If not will he maybe love Guen extra If she is still “pure”?
@posion_mara But what do you Spanish think about your king Philipp II? And do you blame the failure of the armada ONLY on the storm?
@GloriaRose, @jeantown Maybe Guen rejecting Arthur in bed could actually lead him into cheating with Morgana?
@WulfyK Well i dont think Arthur or Morgana for the part, would get togheter mutually because @jeantown pointed out early on that both off Arthur and Morgana would feel despaire and guilth.
At least i think when they realise that they sleept togheter? And later on when Mordred is born?
Well at least one ting will be sure my “WIFy” Guenevere will beat up Arthurs ass because off heart break and i am not sure If I then will later on make her run inte Lancelot arms or not (so many choices). While my “Evil” Guenevere will be filled with relif that she can now use Arthurs incestual mistake towards him so that she doesnt need to sleep with him anymore! And later on (much later on) hopefully get togheter with Mordred and then show Arthur that I choose your “son” of incest rather then you. And that everything between them as husband and wife was a game for her. (Hahah i can so imagen the horror that will fill Arthurs face when he realises that the love off his life was just playing with his heart) Oh the pain!
And I also realise right now how cruel i really am towards Arthur…Even If he is my second favorit character after Mordred while Morgana is my third. Yep @jeantown thats how good your characters are especilly Arthur making me hate and love him at the same time.
Well…still a better love story then twilight.
@jeantown
Loving what you have done with part II! Thank you for sharing it with us. BTW I am part of the Lance fanclub too.
Lessons I’ve learned from part II:
Carrots are important and can be used in many situations.
Sheep in a castle is never a good thing.
You never know when you may need to play a lute so keep your fingernails trimmed.
Even if I supported Arthur’s vision, part II says I did not. I think there is a possible coding issue:
*if (supportavision = false)
But then… I decided a long time ago that Arthur’s vision of peace was not the best path for Britain. War has its purposes. It can boost the economy and rally the people to a common cause. War makes strong rulers. All I need to do, if I want this war to happen, is stay away from Frankmarch.
Grammar: The release of three years’ built-up tension finally breaks through,
spiralling me into unexpected transcendance for a moment before I’m pulled me back into my own body.
One of my Guen’s wants to slap Lance for how selfish and cowardly it was to stay away from Arthur for three years! Good Goddess man, is that how you treat your best friend?!
One of my Guen’s never had sex with Arthur and was still “a maiden”. Wouldn’t Lance notice this (and maybe even say something)if he and Guen did the deed? I didn’t see this mentioned before…hopefully I didn’t miss it.
@Elfwine Lancelot will indeed be a good husband, though perhaps not in a way most people would expect. (: We’ll see that in part 4.
@WulfyK GloriaRose is correct that Arthur and Morgana really really really do not want to have sex with each other, and after it happens (which neither of them will expect or intend), they’ll both be traumatized and grossed out, and will most likely prefer to keep a five-foot distance from each other at all times.
@GloriaRose Arthur is unlikely to cheat (not counting the Morgana thing), though I’m not totally ruling it out if his personality is “hardened.” Mordred might be flattered if Guen waits to have sex only with him, but he wouldn’t expect it – he’d be more likely to expect her to use sex to gain power over people, and surprised if she doesn’t. As for Guen’s reaction to finding out about Mordred’s conception, I hope I’ll be able to give lots of options (including running into Lancelot’s appendages), but do wait and see exactly how it happens… Arthur will be beating himself up plenty without Guen’s help – though she’ll certainly be able to help with the beating if she so chooses.
I’ve been a bit worried about how much I enjoy writing parts where Guen can be mean to Arthur (and the other characters, too), but I think I had a revelation a few posts ago, about why I like writing those parts… it gives me a chance to show more of who the characters really are. I guess how a person responds to bad treatment says a lot about them. We’ll see how much I can stomach it in the books to come – Guen should be able to do some genuinely cruel things eventually, if I can just manage to write them.
@piggleywinks I’m glad you like it! (: Carrots are indeed important and should not be underestimated; I personally would never allow sheep in my own castle; and I agree that lute-playing opportunities can appear at the most unexpected times, so it’s best to be prepared. c:
Yikes, the “pulled me” thing is embarrassing! Must be an editing artifact, but talk about an awkward moment for a typo… Thank you very very much for pointing it out. I’ve fixed it, but I can’t for the life of me figure out why the other problem is happening. Did the *if (supportavision = false) command actually appear in the game? If not, it seems like the issue would be with setting the variable in the first place, but I went back to the end of part 1 and can’t figure out where it didn’t get set. If the command did appear, then I can’t figure out why that would happen… but I’m also rather tired at the moment, so maybe I’ll get it if I look at it tomorrow morning with some coffee. In any case, I really appreciate the bug report!
I had thought that maybe Guen should be able to tell Lance that avoidance is not the best way to handle a problem. Maybe I can still work that in somewhere.
As for virginity, I’m inclined not to make a big deal out of it (for various reasons). It did get mentioned in the first Arthur sex scene, but that was intended more to establish his inexperience than to comment on Guen’s experience or lack thereof. I guess maybe I ought to give Guen a chance to acknowledge it with Lance if that’s important to her – because it’s up to her to decide if it’s important or not – but I don’t think he’d bring it up on his own. He’s experienced enough to know that there’s no 100% definite way to tell, and he’s gracious enough to know that Guen’s previous experience or lack thereof is none of his business if she doesn’t decide to tell him… but yeah, I should probably let her tell him if she wants to, and the same should go for Morgana, too.
felipe II is seen with conflicted views first he was the king in our best moment, but for other he caused in good part our fall. His father is loved felipe is just the last good Austria is how we called Hamburg family here. His economic politics were worst ever he caused more three backarrupts in short time. Sadly he married the wrong england candidate, he was about married Elisabeth she was in loved with him he was the brad pitt of his time. Sadly everyone though mary the catholic and elder would be more convenient… His father was tons of better than him.
@jeantown Could Guen actually marry Lance after Arthur’s death?
@poison_mara And how are the English privateers like Walter Raleigh and Francis Drake seen?
@WulfyK It’s a possibility, but it would depend on Elaine being dead, too. I’ve been going back and forth on whether or not she’ll be able to die (various complicated reasons which would be way too spoilery). At first I was sure she would, because I thought I just had to have some kind of Lady of Shalott scene with her dead in a boat, but I’ve been leaning away from that lately. (Elaine will be a conflation of Elaine of Corbenic and Elaine of Astolat, just as Meligaunt is a conflation of Sir Meliagrance and the giant of Mont-St-Michel.) Whether Elaine can die or not, Guen will have some influence on what ultimately happens to her.
I still say Lance would be infinitely cuter as a badger. I’d keep him around then. Or maybe a sheep, on some poor lonely farmer’s farm… I do agree Arthur and Morgana sleeping together because you don’t sleep with Arthur doesn’t seem likely, it just doesn’t fit his character. He might not understand why you don’t sleep with him, but he is not the kind of guy who cheats on his wife willingly.
Suddenly the song “Crazy Possessive” by Kaci Battaglia comes to mind, except the word “guy” is changed to “knight” so it would go along the lines of “Call my knight again and I will f*ck you up.”
I’m curious, though. Say Guen doesn’t confess to Arthur about her affair with Lancelot. Would there be a path in which things would end up in a canon Arthurian legend way? I’m meaning Guen being taken to be burned at the stake.
@Sylfaen Hmm, well, who knows what might happen in that enchanted forest in part 3… (: And yeah, Arthur would never cheat to be vindictive. I’m leaving open the possibility that if his personality changes a bit, and Guen isn’t sleeping with him, he might be open to some kind of extramarital romance, but he’d probably ask Guen’s permission first.
@Crepsley (: My plan right now is to make it possible for a crazy possessive Guen to f*ck Elaine up if that’s what she wants to do… alternatively, they can be friends. I can’t wait to see what people think of Elaine.
I do want to try to have a somewhat canon path along those lines. Things are going to get really complicated in part 6, with all the possible alliances Guen might have built or destroyed by then, and which characters will know what about what, and how Mordred will best try to bring his evil plans to fruition given different possible circumstances and relationships, but I’d like at least one version of events to play out fairly closely to the traditional story, or as close as I can get.
I don’t know about Spain, but in Cartagena de Colombia there are memorials to how the city fended off that vicious pirate Francis Drake. My English wife found them quite striking. (:
EL DRACO pirates nowadays are seing cool and romantic here like in all europe but until few years ago the hatred was inmense and somehow the corsairs are really more hated than pirates.
look at them from our perspective thousend of lives killed by them city destroyed woman raped and sold like sex slaves, how many ships they destroy with riches inside. Pirates at least where honest with their job as common bandidts and killers. But corsairs fake being nobles while rape murdering steal and destroy people without honor and remorse. There is no way we love our buchers and Draco was one of worst, In latinoamerica pirates still being hatred as they really where murderers and bandits.
So far the second part is amazing. Will Guen have the opportunity to change the relationship with the core characters in each part? I’m enjoying play a Guen that is resisting Lance for now. Also I recently found out there’s a King Arthur tabletop rpg. Just thought that was pretty neat.