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1863

well the first image i put up is roughly what i imagine what he has his empire as, so even then they would be able to rush legions to whatever area Arthur’s invading from… he said right now, he couldn’t attack them with englands current strength now and live… and yes…Arthur’s knights charging into organized roman lines …also the empire accepted foreigners into military type positions and institutions even when it was expanding … even at its height the empire had foreign axillary troops… so that dosent necessarily mean they are any more accepting of foreign cultures or people

@jeantown im also interested to find out when Arthur becomes a war monger er, he seems rather uninterested in this ort of thing

1864

@jason_king your maps are good but apparently they’re from much earlier times.

I’ve found one form late 5th century, closest to the timeframe of the game, after the Roman withdrawal from Britain and the split into Western and Eastern (Byzantine) Empire.

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Apparently, Emperor Majorian made a very succesful attempt to reconquer much of the territory lost to barbarians, but his fleet for the invasion of the Vandalic kingdom was burned by traitors and he was then killed by his general, Ricimer.

Now if the destruction of the fleet and Ricimer’s betrayal were prevented (maybe due to some involvement of magic?), Majorian would have lived longer (he was only 40 years old when killed) and if he left a competent heir, the reestablished Roman Empire (the solid red and striped red areas plus North Aftrica that they’ve reconquered from the Vandals) with its allies and good relations with the Byzantine Empire

would be much stroger then the any of the remaining barabrian kingdoms and certainly able to attempt a reconquest of Britain.

This map also shows the real historical borders of the Frankish kingdom.

@jeantown As to Boudica’s rebellion beiong succesful, it would also mean no Hadrian’s Wall, the Romans constructed it decades after the rebellion, so if you want have it in your game, you’ll have to keep the Roman rule for as long as in real life.

1865

i come back from dead sorry no zombie emoji :space_invader: but there is an space invader. so any new? if to make hippie die i have make him attack romans :crying_cat_face: i cant do that, due would cause britain colapse, My guen lovees britain the only reason he is alive yet, that and the fact she has no heir at all. BUt when little mordred come i could rid the hippie garbage or at least try to.

Also @jeantown there is a way Mordred hate my Guen or something? i little worried. Also in the amulet missing chat with hippie i miss a option to say arthur i dont want another after all i never wear it is the present of other man in my weeding day and very one in court knows that! why dont you buy something by yourself without barbie nursering you at each step,

1866

Yes, the romans where accepting foreigners into their military so they serve them. What i meant was that in this world they seem to accept foreigners into their academy and then let them leave to their birth countries and use their knowledge there. Which suggests that they are less expansionist here, prefering teaching other countries to be more civilized, than conquering them and making them like that themselves, but also quite sure of their power to stop invaders regardless of sharing their knowledge.
@WulfyK We don’t need to be so strict about every historical moment happening at the same time. It’s a totaly fantasy world with inspirations from various elements from our world. One thing that happened differently can already casue everything else to change from what we know, like butterfly effect.

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1867

I’ve just made my thoughts on how a Roman Empire that coexists with an Arthurian Britain might look like and I found this a good example. Of course it’s up to @jeantown if she uses this proposal or goes in a completely differnt way.

1868

Welcome back Mara :slight_smile: Well, i’m sure there will be a way for you to make Arthur die eventually without endangering the Britain too much, but it will certainly require a lot of effort, since for now he is so popular and important for the people now (not to mention he is one of the main heroe’s of the story :slight_smile: ).

1869

HE IS NOT A HERO IN MY STORY HE IS THE MAIN VILLAIN!!! :rage4: :rage: My girl knows that, she has to make he died in a battle or plot to make another enemy kill him, i could use poison but that would be suicide thanks Morgana skills. that is why i try seduce and manipulate her and barbi, twisting their minds and feelings against arthur, the bad guy who treat me bad and is a silly puppet in hands of the bad cheese lover…

1870

@jason_king @WulfyK Okay, clearly someone needs to write a Roman Empire game. :smiley: (I know there are several WIPs set in classical Rome – When in Rome is especially fantastic – but I don’t think any of them are Empire-builders per se? It might be one of the best uses of ChoiceScript’s ability to include images if an Empire-building game could include maps that show how much territory the player has conquered.

That game isn’t my game, however, and while the historical comparisons are fun, I’ve pretty much already decided what I’m going to do with my fantasy-Romans. I apologize if what I wrote was misleading; Arthur’s not going to be conquering Rome in this version; it’s just something that happens in some of the medieval versions, and it’s part of why I’m including the Romans (anachronistically) in mine, even though I’m going to do something a little different with them. @jason_king is correct that I imagine fantasy-Rome to hold roughly the same territory as the historical Roman Republic did before it became the Empire and overextended itself. Beyond that, I’m not planning to get more specific, because (perhaps sadly), neither Guen nor the other main characters will be spending much time on the continent.

@Ponku is correct on all counts (as usual), including the sheer anachronistic awesomeness that would be medieval cavalry charging into Roman infantry. That said, just now I’d rather not get into a pirates-vs-ninjas argument about who would win that battle. (:

BUT, since we do seem to have some people who want to do research… :smirk: Here’s something I could use some help with. If Guen and/or Lancelot are going to Michaelsmount, Duchess Tilda offers the use of her ship. The ship is harbored at the town of “Havenport,” which is a totally generic lame name I threw in there because I couldn’t think of anything better at the time.

So I’m looking for a port-town name, that’s not a currently-existing town (to avoid confusion). I’d like for it to sound very vaguely Belgian, in a Germanic-influenced kind of way, but simple enough that it doesn’t sound super-foreign to an English speaker. I was trying for the same effect with names like “Radagund;” that’s historically a Frankish name, but it’s not so unusual-sounding in English that it draws attention to itself. Basically I need a port-town name that sounds authentic without drawing attention to itself. So if anyone’s bored and wishing for an excuse to look up medieval Belgian place-names, your dreams can now come true. (:

@poison_mara Welcome back; we missed you! :slight_smile: How can there not be a zombie emoji?!?!?! There are like 1000 emojis! I checked and there’s no vampire emojis either. That makes no sense.

Anyway, I don’t think Mordred could ever hate your Guen. They’re perfect for each other. He’s going to love how popular she is, and how strong she’s making the nation (and herself). (: I haven’t written any Mordred dreams in part 2 yet, but maybe I will add some. And I’ll see about Guen maybe being able to say something like that about the necklace… I know I should probably add some more options for her to be more rude to Arthur.

Part 7 is titled “Le Morte D’Arthur.” So, yeah, I’d say chances are good he’s going to die. (: I know you would like to kill him sooner than that, but at least you can rest assured that if Guen waits that long for Arthur to die, his death will not necessarily destabilize the kingdom, and she’ll be able to take power, or manage the transition of power, in various ways. (I’m about 80% sure that Lancelot will also be able to die before the end. I know you want to dance on his grave. Morgana may survive.)

1871

LoL, Choice of Caesar? :smiley:

Well the internal consistency of your world reqire a past roman rule over Britain and if your Rome stayed in its republican borders you’ll need to find a good reason for them why they now change their mind and invade Britain far away from thier lands.

Actually, the name “Havenport” also appears in Sabres of Infinity :wink:

Is Arthur safe until Part 7?

1872

It’s around the 5th century and in the Frankish Empire, correct?

1873

Perhaps the (Middle High German, but how many people are going to be so picky?) German root for “haven” by itself?

“Habene” sounds like it might catch the attention, but no more than any other foreign sounding word does.

If someone knows the language enough to find the one closer to Frankish that might work linguistically, but I think it would make it more obviously foreign - our modern English words are closer to German (without going into how “Le Havre” exists IRL)…

1874

“Habene” sounds good, I support it.

1875

cool :dancer: this is a girl dancing? i though it was a woman dragon. And about Haben, my grandparents had lived in belgium many years, and there are placs with very similar names in the french zone so i like it. There has to be some place called Bridgeport and some cameo of our fellow american, i love that book is so funny. :shipit: alsowhat is this? looks like a frog private eye lol

1876

@WulfyK Yikes! I haven’t played Sabres of Infinity. I just made it up because that’s literally what the town is. I’m sure it works a lot better in SOI. @Elfwine I like it! Non-English sounding, but not so much that readers are going to be totally baffled by it. I’m sure some people will mistakenly think it’s pronounced “hay-been,” but that’s not going to bother me. (: Many thanks for the good suggestion.

@Sylfaen Correct, insofar as that matters (which is not much) – as I’ve said, this isn’t historical fiction by any stretch, so we can interpret “real” history very loosely.

@poison_mara The :dancer: looks like she’s in the process of turning into a mermaid. Or maybe a dragon. Or a dragon-mermaid; that could be a thing, right? As for the squirrel with a hat, it comes up if you type “squirrel” in colons or “shipit” in colons. Are squirrels in hats part of shipping culture? (by which I mean either “shipping” in the sense of matchmaking fictional characters, or “shipping” in the sense of mailing large items)

@WulfyK With sympathies to Mara, Arthur has deathproof plot armor until part 7. That doesn’t mean that very bad things can’t happen to him in the meantime, though.

1877

Bad thinks!!! Cool could I make he lost his third arm? Or lost an eye his tongue to make him stop give ridiculous hippie speeches destroying my work… or maybe make a :sheep: eat his hair in public. I could imagine my Guen dreaming similar things while she takes being nice with him. Poor poison queen :crying_cat_face:
Now seriously, in Spain there is the legend about Arthur is not dead and he is in Avalon, yeah until that point is common. But for our bards he is waiting to return rule Britain again taking the form of a crow flies watching England until his moment returns. The old myth says no British kill a crow full of fear kill the best king in history. Funny fact, when our king Felipe II married Bloody Mary and declared himself king of England he said he would adbicate if Arthur came to take the throne. Also for as Guinebra is not dead either due for us the villain is Lancelot the treacherous don juan who betrayed Arthur and stealed the guen honor.

1878

@poison_mara Was he seriously believing this legend or did he make a joke?

@jeantown Will it be possible to attempt to assasinate Arthur, by poison or otherwise?

1879

No, he didn’t believe that, it was the Spanish way to say we only go away if a legend arrive and transfor a crow in a man. But thankfully for world Elisabeth defeated bloody Mary and about that we said England didn’t defeat the great army it was the storm, the elements. The phrase was I sent my ship defeat England not the elements. Also try kill Arthur not directly maybe in a weird politic plot could be cool maybe he could lose a hand or an eye or something. Or maybe we could fail and kill our son instead. Kill a king is complicated

1880

@poison_mara Poor poison Guen indeed, dreaming of hippie-hair-eating sheep… what a tragic unfulfilled life she has!

That Spanish story about the crows is so interesting… for anyone who hasn’t been following the thread, Mara has brought it up a few times and I had never heard it before. Maybe it’s a big part of how Arthur is remembered in England (???), but I hadn’t seen it in any of the versions I had read. And you just have to appreciate how cynical the Spanish King Arthur stories are in the wake of Cervantes, that perceptive old romance-wrecker. (:

@WulfyK I have struggled with that, especially because I know that Mara would like to try to kill Arthur in as many different ways as possible. (: The problem is, he’s plot-essential until part 7, so any assassination attempts would end in failure. I don’t mind giving the reader some options that result in automatic failure occasionally, but I don’t like to make a habit of it, because I assume that would get very frustrating.

Ultimately, there’s only so much freedom I can build into a game like this, and the more I work on it, the more aware I become of the limitations. Plots require characters (at least, mine do), and you can love or hate the characters, but you can’t get rid of them completely, or there’s no plot – at least, not a plot I’m interested in writing. So instead I’m going to have to settle for giving options to damage their health (yes, @poison_mara, that will be possible) and their reputations, and make them as miserable as possible, until the time comes when the plot allows them to be murdered as brutally as Mara would like.

Okay, who am I kidding… no murder in this game will ever be as brutal as Mara would like, but at least there will be some murder. And Guen will at least have some options to kill off a few other people while waiting for her chance to see Arthur dead.

And just to be clear, I have already worked out exactly what the endgame is going to be, and how Arthur can die, and what the ramifications of that will be. Part 5 is currently the least developed, but part 7 has a pretty detailed outline already.

1881

Elizabeth did not “:defeat” bloody Mary, Mary Tudor died in her bed, Elizabeth was her heir …

1882

he didn’t say the never did, but that after a collapse that’s what they held onto

@jeantown i wasn’t trying to force your game into a fact-checking gauntlet of fire… i was just trying to provide a bit of a backdrop …also i dont think it would wokr to well… people have tried games like that…Purple Reign would be an example, it was set in the byzantine empire… they tend to fall flat due to how massive of a plot and how many decisions youd have to code… the author of that game also said it become to DE-perosnilzed… and just plain bland trying to write scenes for a purely political game