Guenevere (WIP)

You mean like this? http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/science/assets_c/2013/05/tanklift-thumb-570x370-122303.jpg

Also…

Yes! I want this! I already figured out my Guen’s reaction…
Guen: You wrote this… about my husband… about the man I love…
Fangirl: (about to cry) I… I… I…
Guen: This is fantastic! I love it! Do you have more?

:stuck_out_tongue:

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@Mirabella aaaaaaaaa that is SO COOL! We need inflatable catapults! Lots of inflatable catapults! When the war is over you, can bounce on them or throw them at your friends! :smiley: (For once, the bug-eyed smiley seems appropriate.)

And aww, your Guen is very sweet. (: I wonder how she’d handle requests to contribute some content of her own to the fandom…

Why is Sir Bretta only available for Guen? Also, will there be a male RO outside Arthur’s close circle?

@Jeantown:

Speaking of fanfiction, would you the author of the game object in any form to fanfiction by the players on Arthur/Lancelot or anything else related?

@WulfyK Given her personality, I just don’t imagine Sir Bretta being interested in Morgana, Lancelot, or Arthur. But all of this is soooo hypothetical, and not something I’m going to nail down for a long time. Any kind of romance (Guen or matchmaking) outside of the four main characters will be something I have to wait to think about until the plot and characters have developed a lot more. I kind of regret having brought up the possibility, because now I’m worried I’m going to get a million requests for romances with various characters (either my own or not-yet-appearing ones from Arthurian legend), and there’s just only so much I can do. (: The four main characters and their relationships with each other (whatever form those take) will always be my central priority.

@Elfwine Absolutely no objection to fanfiction! (: My only fear is that, given how much of the game has yet to appear, someone might write something that would get everyone’s expectations up for things that can’t actually happen in canon. But that’s just one of the risks of fanfiction in general, and I fully support it as a creative medium.

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@jeantown Hmmm… that might be a little much for the Me-Guen. My other Guen (Ditzy Guen) would probably have a huge stash of fanfics to contribute.

Haha, what if Arthur found out?
Arthur: Oh my goddess! What is wrong with you girls? Guen, did you know about this?
Guen: I, uh, of course not! You girls should be ashamed of yourselves! (after Arthur leaves) Don’t worry, tonight’s meeting is still on!

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Makes sense. I don’t want to write anything outside canon at this point, I’m just imagining writing Arthur and Guen sharing an enjoyable evening together to practice writing romantic relationships - as well as a tribute to you making a character interesting enough to want to imagine outside the plot.

Who wouldn’t want to imagine Guen in (love interest of choice)'s arms, just being love-dove? There is not enough sweetness and quiet joy in the world to not celebrate every instance.

It was no trouble at all! I’ve been meaning to join the discussion here, and this gave me a good opening. :slight_smile:

Holy cow, it just really hit me how enormous this project is with all its variables and possibilities. Honestly, all hats off to you. But all the work aside for a moment, giving Guen the possibility to tell Arthur everything, or just something about her affair, could open so many doors. I could see a manipulative Guen delivering perfectly planned out details to sway things in ways she could want, or a heartfelt confession of a woman who can’t live with herself unless she comes clean. The possibilities are endless, and even if due to the sheer size of this it will not come to pass, it’s still really fun to imagine all the ways that could go.

Now I’m super excited about the other half of book 2 and seeing what the choices I’ve made amount to. Your description of how what Guen does will impact how she’s seen on a large scale makes me itch to try out a power hungry version of her and see how things differ. rubs hands together

I also forgot to mention another two things last night that I’m very curious about. The first one is the spell between Guen and Lance, and how that came to be – if it’s a curse or not, how that will affect their relationship, whether he’s involved with her romantically or not. Or if it’s a curse, is their attraction to each other purely based on that and once it’s gone it’s like fog lifting?

The second is if you’re planning the endings to be more canon with Arthurian legends, or are you thinking of giving the opportunity for each pairing to have a happy ending?

I was a little worried I’ve gone off on a ramble about my choices in too much detail. (I tend to do that, I’m a sucker for details and I plan out everything when playing interactive novels or rpgs, from writing character profiles, to mapping out what their reactions would be in situations.) I’m glad it was helpful, though.

@Elfwine That sounds lovely! Considering how hard I have to work to keep things vague and open to interpretation (to accommodate many different Guens with different feelings), it would be delightful to see a specific Guen and Arthur (or either of the others) able to be more… specific. (:

@Crepsley It really is enormous! I’ll never be able to account for every imaginable variation, even in Guen and Arthur’s relationship alone, but I’m kind of in love with the challenge, and I can’t wait to see how many variations I can make work. I’m also learning that once I get the basic structure of an interaction down, it’s often not too difficult to go back and layer in more variations, like I did with the conversations Guen can have about being asexual or gay in part 1. (Not that I can make infinite additions, but layering stuff in is turning out to be easier than trying to incorporate every possible permutation right from the beginning.) That’s why I’m answering a lot of questions with “maybe I can work that in later, once I see exactly how X develops.”

I hope that a power-hungry Guen will be able to feel like she’s getting what she wants by the end of part 2. She doesn’t have much opportunity for power in the first half, but maybe that will make gaining it all the sweeter in the end.

The exact nature of the spell between Guen and Lancelot is going to be revealed at the end of part 2, so I don’t want to spoil it just yet… I guess any spell could be considered a curse if it’s unwanted, and once Guen knows what the spell is, she’ll be able to think of it as a curse if it seems like one to her. She won’t have to lift it if she doesn’t want to; she and Lancelot can just decide they like what it does and they don’t want to mess with it. (Or she may decide it’s useful for manipulating him.) If Guen wants to lift the spell and succeeds, she and Lancelot may have to reconsider their relationship, but if they were genuinely attracted to each other in the first place, the attraction should still be there (just maybe not as zappy). It could be an interesting test of how they really feel, ultimately resulting in an even more trusting and caring relationship – or not.

As for the endings, I’d like for things to be able to go either way. I’d like to have some of the canon Arthurian stuff represented, so, for example, Arthur can die and be taken to Avalon – but it doesn’t necessarily have to end that way. I’d like for Guen and Arthur to be able to have a definitive heir, and leave the kingdom in a more stable situation that usually happens at the end of Arthurian stories – if that’s what Guen wants. I’d like for Guen and Morgana to be able take over and rule the world together, but I’d also like there to be some possible endings in which Morgana will be remembered as the villain of the story (believe it or not). I’ll always be thinking in terms of the canon, but kind of asking the reader “So, do you want this to go the way it usually does, or do you want something different?”

Really, rambling or any other kind of commentary is absolutely fine. I truly love hearing how people play the game. (:

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;-; at the idea of Arthur dying and being taken to Avalon. I love the battle of camlann/end(?) of Camelot so much though and I love different interpretations of it (especially if they’re TOTALLY different) and honestly it’s probably the #1 thing I’m most excited to see in this entire series. I’m gonna try for the happiest possible thing for Canon!Guen, but for Ace!Guen or any other guens…oh boy. What fun to see how it all turns out!

I’m genuinely curious how we get from here to “Morgana is remembered as the villain” without her intentionally being manipulated into the role by Guen. That was probably the part that I found the most disjointed when I first started playing, it was odd that the figure who was supposed to evolve into the villain was this harried, endlessly self-sacrificing mother hen type. I understood wanting to present her in a sympathetic light, but I expected more anger, especially given all the reasons she already has to be angry.

And now she’s the woman who gets captured and ends up being at least moderately concerned about the welfare of the sheep she’s penned in with. I’ve grown fond of this version of the character, but I still kind of like the idea of her and Arthur eventually winding up on opposite sides. I presume the birth of Mordred is a potential precipitating incident in the paths where they have a falling out.

You took the words right out of my mouth. There were times I’ve actually forgotten the role Morgana plays in canon while playing, but I can definitely see her unleashing hell. And for me, at least, seeing her turn into the villain after seeing a more sympathetic side to her is a lot more interesting.

@jeantown Both the spell and ending possibilities sound really great. I look forward to them. c:

@thesunfloweramazon Well, the Battle of Camlann will definitely happen, but the stakes will be a bit different. Hope you enjoy the variation! And wow, that’s going to be ages from now…

@Wonderboy @Crepsley So there’s a difference between being perceived as a villain and actually being evil… Morgana has never much cared what people think of her, which is an admirable trait, but in this case may have some negative consequences. Many a witch has been burned at the stake for crimes she didn’t commit. That said, Morgana will also (as you say) go through some character development and become a somewhat darker person after Mordred’s conception and birth, and maybe Guen will have some influence (positive or negative) there. And Morgana will indeed be capable of unleashing hell. (:

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Hi everyone, hope you all don’t mind if I squeeze myself in here! @jeantown, I was going to talk to you on tumblr but I thought it would probably be better if I just went to where the large-scale discussion’s happening :smile:

Anyway, to repeat what has been said many times before, and rightfully so, Guenevere is just an incredible game. I can’t get over it; I don’t think I ever will! :open_mouth: I know you keep asking for constructive feedback and suggestions, but really all I can offer is a lot of very delighted, very garbled noises!!! I’m so thankful for the time and effort you’ve put into this. It’s ambitious, definitely, but after playing through book 1 and half of book 2 I have every faith that you’ll pull it off, and that makes me very happy :sunny:

I’ve went through each of the romances and their variants and you’ve somehow made me adore all three of the characters! I wasn’t particularly fond of Arthur in the beginning, but he’s very cute and he ended up growing on me. Morgana’s path seemed so heartfelt once she got over her initial cautiousness, which was beautiful! And Lance! Yes, ok, he’s my fav. :blush: I am a huge sap and that line that opens up if Guen’s in love with Lance when he kisses her and she returns it: “The universe is Lancelot, and nothing else.” !!! Oh god. I love it. I’m planning various playthroughs ofc, but I think my main will be the dutiful Guen who tries (and fails a lot) to do good by Arthur but just can’t help falling for Lance. The drama! As much as I’d like to say otherwise, I am a romantic at heart, and I just can’t pass up the chance to play out such a timeless OTP.

All right, I’ve talked myself into another dimension I think. Again, thank you for writing this. Even if it does take years, I’ll be right here following along. It will get me through uni anyway!!!

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To me Morgana was never straight up evil throughout any of her different incarnations. So whether she’s a villain because people are afraid of her, or if she turns into one due to circumstance, different convictions, etc., it will be one hell of a show.

One of the first things that came into my mind when i first started Your game a long time ago, was: “ohh, Morgana is good here, that’s nice!” :slight_smile: So i definetly prefer that version of her than what is usually cosidered “canon” and i will try everything i can to help her reconcile with Arthur and for all of us to be friends.
But that said i certainly can see possibility of her to be known as villain while not being evil herself. We know how she loves her children and can imagine it will be also like that with Mordred. Even if he is evil himself she can take his side if Guen or others are not there to support her realize that he is bad. Anyway that’s one of the possibilities i can think of how that may happen.

@jeantown Dont you think adding some other love interest for Guen would be like strange? Mainly because i think its awesome the way it is, and the story is already too complex as it is. Most people are attached to them and expect things and i dont see how that would add anything to the story because its not all about romance right? I may be wrong but i dont know thats just my opnion (im sorry if my english is awful im brazilian)

@vecordias So very glad to have you join us; thank you!! :slight_smile: Delighted garbled noises are a legitimate form of feedback as far as I’m concerned, because they keep me motivated to try to cause more of them. And thank you for the vote of confidence – there are times when I ask myself how on earth I think I’m going to pull this off, but I just try to remember that it seems to be working so far, and that I’m extremely excited to see just how much I can do. Also glad to have another Lancelot fan! He seemed to be the least popular when I first posted part 1, but lately I think he may have developed a slight lead (based on my very subjective experience of reading feedback in various places). As for the timeless OTP… back when I was writing the Lance/Guen love scene, all I could think was “They’re only second to Romeo and Juliet on the list of Most Famous Lovers of All Time, so, you know… no pressure or anything.” (: Anyway, thanks again for your support, and I look forward to hearing what you think of the future installments!

@Crepsley That’s the plan; I just hope I can make it work! (:

@Ponku I’ve tried to write Morgana in a way that, even though she’s actually a very caring person, it doesn’t seem too farfetched to imagine that people who don’t know her well could get the wrong idea about her. She does have scary powers, after all, and she’s not afraid to criticize Arthur (unlike most other people). And you’re right that she would go to extreme lengths for her children. I would not want to be in her way if there was ever any kind of threat to any of them. Right now my plan for part 7 is that she could end up on either side of the big final showdown (but to be fair, so can Guen).

@Nikmou Yeah, I agree; that’s why I keep saying that I wouldn’t add another romance option until I’ve finished everything else. The story IS way too complex, and I worry all the time that it will spiral out of control if I’m not careful, so my intention is to keep the focus on the four main characters as much as possible. I do think it might be fun to add another f/f romance for Guen, but only after everything else is nailed down, and only if it makes sense once I can look at all the details of the overall plot. But for the moment, I definitely have enough to do without adding more stuff. (:

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So far I have a hard time seeing Lance with the duchess! :open_mouth:

But here’s an idea – what if Lance fall for different people depending on how you have treated him? @poison_mara might like that. :wink:

As for Bretta and Maris, it was just a thought – they are following Guen most everywhere, so it was just my feeling I at least wanted to talk with them a wee bit more. :blush:

@Mirabella – interesting thing with those tanks! Ha! Hey, @jeantown, could Morgana take a hair (!?) or splinter or something of a catapult and clone them? :laughing:

@JTAL Yes, we shall clone the catapults!

@jeantown You mentioned earlier that Lance was less popular in part 1 but became more popular in part 2. I just thought I would toss in my two cents about that. I think that’s because since it was just the first book, Lance (or anyone else for that matter) had yet to experience any real character development. In the first part, I wasn’t digging Lance because he was coming on too strong and I don’t normally like the “popular blonde jock guy.” But in the second part, he was so romantic that I started to really like him. His whole thing about staying as far away from Guen as possible while sending back all these tokens of his devotion was just to die for. I can’t bring myself to make my power-hungry Guen manipulate the poor guy! So there you go.

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