Guenevere (WIP)

@Elfwine @poison_mara @Wonderboy @thesunfloweramazon

Okay, as for the war debate, first of all, I cannot tell you how excited I am that people are actually discussing the game world this way. It makes me feel like I created a situation that’s complicated enough that it can be seen from different points of view and argued about. I think I’m hearing several different scenarios here – Guen deliberately perpetuates a war with Frankmarch for the long term; Guen fights off the Frankish army in the short term but then tries for peace; Guen instigates a civil war in Frankmarch to get them out of her hair. At the moment I think all of those things will be possible, but no promises since I’m not sure how everything will evolve when I get all the exact details of each branch nailed down.

As for whether or not any of the war scenarios would be good for Britain (as opposed to just being good for Guen), I probably shouldn’t answer that. I hope to show different, reasonably logical consequences for each possible case, and leave it to the reader to decide if the effect was good or bad or neither.

On the treason issue… as I imagine it, it’s often a huge mess (as people are suggesting it would be). So a monarch gets caught in an affair, and it’s considered treasonous by tradition, but whose job is it to enforce that, and what are the consequences? If children aren’t in question the affair might just get swept under the rug, especially if the monarch has a lot of loyal supporters and no one wants to risk challenging them. In other circumstances, I imagine that whatever nobles could gain power from it would band together to depose the treacherous monarch, by execution or exile. There’s a high chance that any illegitimate children might be done away with, to protect the bloodline and its associated magic… unless, as has been pointed out, there are no legitimate children. In that case, a noble from another line might make a claim to the throne, not on the basis of succession but on the basis of virtue and suitability, or an illegitimate child who can prove heritage might perhaps be able to win through on the argument of being the bearer of royal blood and not responsible for the sins of the parent.

In any case, as I said, I imagine this being one of those self-undermining cultural traditions/taboos that has caused all kinds of political problems over the years. (Like how we aren’t allowed to have large-scale renewable energy in America.) It makes “real”-world historical kings with sanctioned mistresses look downright sensible.

In Arthur’s case, he would indeed give the Round Table authority to impeach him. (That’s part of the traditional tragedy of Camelot in a lot of versions, right? Arthur tries to make a bunch of progressive, morality-based laws, and then his own family gets caught in them and everything’s ruined.) I don’t want to bog down part 1 with a lot of world-building that’s not relevant to the immediate plot, but I hope to explain more of this stuff in the game as it becomes relevant. And, of course, nothing’s set in stone; I could change my mind about everything tomorrow.

@MutonElite Actually, Morgana does not have the Pendragon blood, because she’s only Arthur’s half-sister and Uther wasn’t her father. (Arthurian legend is such a soap opera. I couldn’t make half this stuff up on my own if I tried.) If Morgana was from the Pendragon line, Arthur wouldn’t have to be so worried about an heir, because Gawain would have Pendragon blood and, as the king’s sister’s son, be an ideal candidate (with Gareth as a backup). Unfortunately, that’s not the case, so even though Gawain is legally heir to the throne, he’d have a very difficult time of it if Arthur were to die tomorrow.

Arthur and Morgana won’t conceive Mordred by choice, and they’ll both be emotionally traumatized afterward. (I’m really nervous about writing that part, because I hate the thought of it possibly triggering sexual trauma survivors… I’m going to do everything I can to make it as respectful and tasteful as I can, under the circumstances, but I don’t want to downplay the seriousness of unwanted sex, either.) They have no interest in sex with each other, and after it happens, the slightest suggestion of it would be extremely upsetting to them both.

Sorry that’s all so serious… I’m not faulting you for your question, or for being interested in all three main NPCs! (:

more replies in a bit…

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yay xD that’s amazing you spend so much time responding, im totally exited about this lol

@jeantown Ah, that reminds me, speaking of the Orkney babies, I had a question- I only saw reference to Gawain and Gareth; and there are two years before this book and he next- will the remaining two boys be born within that time, or have they been folded together into Gawain and Gareth?

@jason_king Welcome to the forum, and I’m thrilled that you were interested enough to make an account just to ask about my game! :blush: There’s actually a forum rule that you’re not supposed to ask authors about their progress or when the next part is coming out, but since no moderators have appeared to chastise you, and since there’s no rule about authors actually answering such questions, and since maybe other people are curious… I’ll tell you. (:

The first half of part 1 included scenes 1-7. The second half will look like this:

8 transition scene that gets Guen from wherever she is to her chosen branch. She may run into some trouble, and some old friends, on the way.
9 the Frankmarch branch, aka “lead glorious army into battle against pansy Frankish ‘army’”
10 the Camelot branch
11 the Michaelsmount branch
12 wrap-up of the chosen branch and reports/consequences from branches not taken
13 some secrets are revealed and discussed (e.g. the non-love spell)
14 final conversations with the main characters, possible “hardening” in more than one sense XD

So at the moment I have finished scene 8 and written a lot of scene 9, which is already ridiculously long (27.000 words). I’ve written scene 9 up to nearly the end of the big Frankish court council part (where Guen can speak to Radagund’s council and try to sway things however she wants) with Guen by herself, so I can probably finish the council scene in a few hours, but then I have to go back and rewrite the whole thing with Lancelot present. That won’t be terribly onerous, since the plot will still be the same, but it will take some time because Lance can translate things for Guen, so a lot of dialogue will have to be adjusted. For the rest of the scenes, I have fairly detailed outlines with a few ???somethinghappenshere??? holes that should fill in naturally as I write.

I have no idea when part 2 will be finished, but I’m hoping for sometime early in 2015. I post a progress report on my blog on the last day of each month, so you can always check there to see how I’m doing: http://newarcana.tumblr.com/

@anon11888245 Well, the game is very anachronistic, but insofar as the fantasy-world timeline might parallel our own, I imagine it happening sometime in the 400s (ish). So…

  1. If Guen makes an alliance with the Franks, it should last for the duration of her queenship. We won’t find out if it lasts longer than that, but you’re free to imagine that it does or doesn’t.
  2. The Romans are a force to be reckoned with. They’ll arrive when Mordred offers to help them conquer Britain. (They probably shouldn’t trust Mordred, though.) The Romans do indeed have access to magic, which is one of many subjects taught at the Imperial Academy in Rome.
  3. We won’t really know how long Guen’s legacy lasts, but she can certainly leave Camelot in much better shape than how it’s usually described after Arthur’s death. I’m not planning any long-term epilogue, so you can look at Guen’s final circumstances and decide for yourself how long the effects of her reign will be felt.

@Nikmou Thank you! I’m glad you like the new material, and I very much hope you’ll like the rest of it! (:

@thesunfloweramazon Agravaine and Gaheris do exist, and you’ll be seeing them in part 3.

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As long as the consequences are what the action would plausibly (realistically is a loaded war in this discussion) produce - Guen focusing on destablizing the Franks is is probably going to ruin the chance of an alliance, or at least a useful one simply because the Franks will be that much weaker - I’m content with waiting for things to be written up.

I’m not trying to imply I don’t think that will be the case, I just think that’s the most important part. Short term success does not necessarily produce the best long term results, long term plans may cost more in the short run.

Above and beyond just the Frankmarch question - developing Guen as someone people trust is probably in her best interests in the long run, which seems to favor the kinder and/or more reliable Guens…

That (long run consequences) raises a question. Do you have any effort to make any representation of Guen being wounded in a fight badly enough to make a difference, at any point? Not killed, but if being hurt seriously enough means you can’t take certain actions (the way not having certain things does at other choices), that might be interesting.

I really liked how you handled the whole Lance thing. I kissed him the first play and then pulled him away the other one. It’s cute that he went all how about let’s be friends instead. And Morgana, I completely love her. She’s awesome. I like Arthur too but sometimes I get annoyed by how naive (and often reckless) he is.

oh, there is? well i am sorry for asking then, but thank you for not taking it the wrong way, this is a very very good novel in my opinion, so thank you for taking the time to write it :slight_smile:

@Elfwine You’re right that there should be both short-term and long-term consequences. War (in whatever form) may strengthen Guen’s sway over her people, which could be good (assuming she succeeds, of which there’s no guarantee), and it may weaken the Franks, which could be good, but it will indeed most likely mean that Guen won’t be able to call on them if she wants their help later on (against, say, the Romans). Maybe by then her position, and/or other alliances, will be so strong that she won’t need them, so it won’t matter, but maybe she’ll regret not having tried harder for peace.

I’ve actually given some thought to allowing Guen to be long-term disabled by a wound. That could be really interesting. At the moment, I think it would make things more complicated than I can handle – I’m going to be juggling so many variables/consequences in future installments – but it might be something to add to the list of extra stuff to consider when the whole thing is written.

@Nikmou I’m so glad you were happy with that part… I was (and am) very nervous abut including a kiss that happens whether Guen wants it or not, since I know that some of my readers have had bad experiences with unwanted advances. The best I could do was to give lots of ways for both Guen and Lance to acknowledge, immediately, that kissing someone who doesn’t want to be kissed is not a good thing. Anyway, very glad you like Morgana, and if Arthur is a little annoying, then I feel like I’ve done my job. (:

@jason_king No worries; I just can’t resist any chance to talk about my planning. XD Very glad to have you on board!

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Yes! And I’m so excited to see mommy Guen, I really look forward for what can happen.

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@jeantown Do I remember hearing you say it may be possible for Guen to have a kid of her own later on after Mordred or am I remembering wrong?

It’s very good that you take those things seriously but I don’t think you have to be very nervous about it. Just because we write something happening doesn’t mean at all that it is condoned or even shown in ANY kind of positive light. That’s to say, lets say on the off chance (off off OFFFFFF chance) that Lance for some reason hadn’t thought that was wrong. Guen stilling thinking it was wrong and the general tone that it was wrong still would have meant you had no positive light on the fact.

My main point, which may have been lost (can’t tell, it’s morning :sheep:) is having the issue in your head at all will generally keep you from writing negatively viewed things in an offensive way. I would hate for you to be so nervous on upsetting people that you took that scene out, honestly. It 's a good way to show ‘people do dumb things sometimes.’

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@FoxalypticWorld Yes, Guen will be able to have a baby of her own in part 4. She may have to give up some other things in order to make it possible, but it can happen.

Thanks for the encouragement! That makes me feel better. It would be impossible to write a story without including anything that might offend/trigger someone, but I try to be respectful toward people if it happens, and not blame them for not liking something I wrote. And for some people, seeing that kind of thing in a story, and seeing how it gets dealt with there, might even be a healing experience. And yeah, people do dumb things sometimes, and Lancelot is definitely not perfect. (“Lancelot isn’t perfect” is one of the big themes of Arthurian literature, after all.) I’m not going to take the kiss out, but I do want people to know that I’m sensitive to how problematic it might be.

@jeantown About the baby- when you say it can happen in part 4, do you mean she’ll actually have the baby, or she will conceive the baby, or she is pregnant? Ooh, I guess it will end up being younger than Mordred regardless, then? Hmmmmm. The idea of half-sibling shenanigans between two Pendragon kids will be interestinggggg.

@thesunfloweramazon To be honest, I’ve changed my mind like five times as the exact plot for part 4 has developed. I had initially imagined part 4 ending with Guen finding out she was pregnant (if she’d been trying for it), but lately I’ve shifted toward thinking that part 4 might open with her giving birth (again, only if she chooses to have a baby, which is not required), and then she could have the baby with her during that book. At the moment there’s nothing in the plot of part 4 that requires extensive travelling or other things that couldn’t be done with a baby in hand.

I’ll have to think more about how much of a difference that might make for the coding etc., so please don’t anyone get your heart set on it just yet; it’s just an idea right now, and a very provisional one.

But yes, Guen’s (potential) baby will be about five years younger than Mordred.

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@Jeantown Awesome! Regardless of how it ends up, it’ll be cool. We’ll see the kid eventually anyway. You’ve probably definitely been asked this before, but, can we choose its name? (GUENEVERE JR. GET BACK HERE RIGHT NOW!)

Sadly, the baby’s name is going to be set. I already have it picked out. I’m okay with people naming the pet MrPoopyPants or whatever if that makes them happy, but I love my characters too much to imagine someone inputting stupid or offensive names for poor little Guenevere Jr. (with apologies to everyone who enjoys that kind of thing; it’s not you, it’s me. (: )

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@jeantown Curses! My plan to name the kid after the cat has been foiled, lol.

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“We named the DOG Indiana!”

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Guen can have a child…? (^ω^)

I’m assuming gender will be random, be chosen or be pre determined. Teaching him/her what Guen could possibly know, so a high leadership score could make the child more intelligent of it’s surroundings, or high light magic makes the child more open and honest. Dark magic could make the child become withdrawn and into books and maybe high sword skill allows the child to be extra active.

Say, book 4… Morgana’s children, Gawain and Gareth, they would be of age right? I was hoping for a few children so Guen’s child would feel like she wasn’t the only child in Camelot.

Regardless, I hope he/she does have an important future in the castle and learns all they can from Guen. I feel like they would be an important character.
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why thank you ;3, also how old is Guenevere going to be i wonder by the end of this series, im surprised you actually announced such a long term project, with all the parts in the announcement … its a rather large amount of work to commit to :wink:

so i couldnt call baby poison? :cry: the baby has to be from hippie? I dont want a little hippie with me. :hatching_chick:

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