Guenevere (WIP)

[poison_mara]

i am surprised to be surrounded everywhere for good Guens in love with Hippie and worse Barbie. i want destroy peace and not only that make french started a civil war. Could it be a chance send Barbie to french to sabotage peace’? WHILE MY POISON QUEEN WIPE THE FRENCH ARMY I even could say him if he doing that i would get laid with him. i friend with him and sincere so why not arp text
Im a bad woman Lancelot. I do not want lie to you, but sometimes a kingdom needs bad people to be safe and free. Arthur almost have his kingdom wipe out and his wife and sister killed, WHY? Because he is a fucking good guy without brains in his head always in clouds,

a country needs a strong leader with feet firmly in soil, capable of keep peace and security . Tell about dreams to the peasants that would be rape and murdered by french army, Dreams dont feed children. When i married this stupid ape i married his kingdom, AND I WOULD KEEP IT SAFE , AND I WOULD DO ALL I CAN FOR IT. I dont desire you but if you help me destroying french diplomatic situation i would be your lover. heck, you probably be better than ups i miss the hole again oh he already ended? no surprise i havent a baby yet

I already say my girl is a bich lol. But she really want the kingdom be safe and people live in peace and happy, in a powerful nation

[Elfwine]

What possible good does it do Britain for Guen to try to sabotage peace?

I don’t see “I really want to have Britain safe and strong and its people free and happy.” as much as “I hate Arthur.” in that (the italics stuff).

I’m not saying “therefore it should be banned because Guen must love him” - of course not. But “I hate Arthur and believe he’s an idiot and want you to ‘destroy (the) French diplomatic situation’” is leaving me wondering how this is going to help anything, and I’m not sure Lancelot - however close he is to Guen - is going to react differently.

Even if Arthur is an idiot, tearing him down doesn’t equal building Britain up.

[poison_mara]

You dont read many medieval history do you?. You have a modern concept of treaties and peace. Medieval and roman empire were totally different. There werent stable countries and frontiers changed from on year to other. Your friend was ready to kill you the next summer season. French want invade britain we are after plage better prepared to strike them for years . The paidment to the loose nation in gold and goods could help rebuild frontiers. Cause a war inside french nobility is a win win situation valon kingdom and navarra did that to french to stole terrain during medieval times. And spain my friend with arabs we had pacting broke peace provoking civil wars during 700 years. It was stuff worked then. Defeat army against Camelot would make kingdom rich enough get better defenses grain systems etc… A war in France could make William the conqueror never appear at all. Divide to conquer. And romans always said Si vis pacem prepare bellum

[jeantown]

@poison_mara I will probably change the way the Big Choice is set up, so that Guen initially just says where she’s going, and then can be more specific about her intentions, and, later, can give more specific/nuanced instructions to Lancelot. I absolutely LOVE the idea of Guen being able to start a civil war in Frankmarch. I have no idea how I could implement that with what I’ve already written of the Frankmarch branch, but I’m going to try to find a way.

As for Lancelot, you’re not going to be able to get him to turn against Arthur just yet. Guen miiiiight be able to enlist his help in perpetuating the war between Britain and Frankmarch, if his trust is very high, but he’d need to believe it was in Arthur’s best interest. He is not shallow enough to compromise his own loyalty or ideals in exchange for sex. That said, his trust score (and willingness to be convinced to do what Guen wants) does go up if you have sex or a romance with him…

@Elfwine: The game does say that an ongoing war might not be an entirely bad thing, if Guen’s leadership is strong. I want her to be able to perpetuate the war if she sees an advantage in it. But you’re right that the kingdom isn’t ready for Arthur to be deposed just yet; his Pendragon blood is their rallying point, and if Guen wants to be recognized as a better leader, it’s going to be a long process. That process can start at the end of part 2, with Arthur looking like an idiot and Guen looking more competent. She’ll be able to make sure people recognize the difference, if that’s what she wants.

As for “real” medieval history, this is fantasy, so it’s not going to be exactly like what actually happened, BUT yes, I do imagine a lot of different nations vying for power in constant ongoing battles. I get frustrated every time I have to write the word “country” in the game, because medieval kingdoms weren’t geographically-defined countries; they were ethnically-defined nations fighting for territory. That said, I do use “country” sometimes, because it’s going to sound better and make more sense to most readers.

This is neither real medieval history nor Game of Thrones, and (as I’ve said before), this game will never be as evil as Mara wants it to be. If Mara had her way, the game would consist of a lot of very ruthless and power-hungry people backstabbing each other at every turn. I can’t write stories like that; they’re not in my heart. I believe in good. That’s not to say that good is easy (quite the opposite) or universal or always wins (quite the opposite), but I think that telling stories about good people is a worthwhile thing to do. I don’t think Mara agrees with that, but I am still very, very grateful that she’s willing to play the game and give me suggestions, because her suggestions are usually things I’d never think of, and she’s done a lot to improve the quality of the game and my thinking about it.

[jeantown]

@Bennn Thank you! I’m glad you like the game, and I hope you’ll enjoy the rest of it. (:

1. I won’t rule it out, but I don’t have a specific plan for that right now, since it would be pretty far in the future.
2. You have to be in contact with it.
3. If Guen doesn’t get the sword, it will most likely be destroyed.
4. The assassin Tilda killed? If Guen took his knife, she should still have it.

Thanks also for the stats! Those are always useful. (:

[Tehani]

@jeantown Hahaha okay, do go on with your perversion! It has the good taste to add a sense of “equality” on this borderline rule about extramarital and treason, and I guess Arthur’s birth is the best example that there are ways around the law.
Speaking of Mordred, do you think he will be in part 2?
PS: All this talk about hardening… Why am I laughing so “hard” when this is a serious matter? Hehehe.
PPS: I laugh each time you talk about the new emoticons (poor camels indeed. :-D) but you have to admit that the sheep are cute!

@poison_mara Hahaha I am pretty sure I have seen others post that they are not going to take a “good path” and find lovely love. Don’t worry you are not alone!
And I agree that divide to conquer can be a good reason to want to undermine the Franks political sphere.
PS: and it’s “para bellum” (one of the only things I remember from my Latin classes).
But your post makes me wonder: @jeantown what is Arthur/Lancelot/Morgana priority: Britain or Guen and Guen or another member of the Magic Four™?

Edit: oh my, now I understand the pain behind posting the new emojis. Well, it’s too late. ^^

[poison_mara]

Yeah you are right my latin is totally rusted lol. there are ultra weird emojis lol i would investigate if there are some poison one

[poison_mara]

[Elfwine]

Well, there are two things that strike me, which are why I made the post I did:

1. An ongoing war might be good for Guen, in that it allows her to strengthen her position, but I fail to see any manner in which perpetuating war with Frankmarch is good for Britain - which already has plenty of enemies, and every soldier fighting the Franks is a soldier not available to respond to the Romano-Saxons or any other enemies that would be more than happy to take advantage of the situation.

2. I can follow the point of a Guen (whatever interested in gaining in personal power or not) wanting to play the Frankish situation so that whoever emerges on top Britain benefits (my Guen, and my own attitude see that differently than a “realist” would), but what I read - and if I’m wrong I humbly apologize - sounds like something Raynald de Châtillon would pursue - not Michael VIII Palaiologos.

I’ve nothing especially against an option for a Guen who hates Arthur to act on that being in the story, but I really think Mara’s Guen is sounding less and less “I care about Britain, but not Hippie.” and more “I don’t care about either Britain or Hippie.”

[Wonderboy]

I will admit I’m intrigued by the notion of going to Frankmarch not to help either side, but rather to actually destabilize a rival nation. It’s a crazy risky plan, but I could see the benefit.

I’m kind of having trouble rapping my head around the idea of Arthur being accused of treason. I get that Camelot is much more gender progressive than its historical analogs and I’m fine with the idea that there’s not usually a double standard for infidelity, but is there even a formal entity with the authority to charge the monarch with a crime? And if the justification for considering royal infidelity treason is that it complicates the succession what the heck happens if you’ve just beheaded the king and the only person left with Pendragon blood is the bastard you’ve just beheaded him for siring?

[poison_mara]

Still you are think like modern person not like medieval ancient ruler. Also who in hell has commented want to make a long war??? Not me, Britain cant support a long war. I want only defeated the army in Camelot first only few days ,Why? Easy to understand if peace is achieve Before attack even if attack happens due the lack of instant comunications the money you recieve like monetary compensation is FAR LESS also minor advantages. Instead if no peace you have won a battle with all price entails from rescue prisioners and prestige… Few days before could make a hole new situation to Camelot.

The war i want is a Civil one in france, Napoleon did the same once here in spain. And we did same with Bloddy mary to ingland Ingland tried … You have to understand the states arent like today states, no nobility and royal family changed frontiers like Spain wasnt Spain at all in medieval only a king marriadge unified us again in 1492 with Granade conquest after caused a internal turmoil in Moadbid family again causing a civil war inside.
My Guen really love Britain, for her the country is her husband and her baby in once. She never could do nothing against it even for her own gain.

[sirgalahad]

@wonderboy

Well for Mordred, even in other Arthurian stories, regardless of whether or not Mordred is the sole child and heir, the fact that he’s a product of sibling incest makes him void to the throne (I believe Queen of Camelot went that route?).

And remember- Arthur almost didn’t become king until he had people backing him up, even with proof. Being the sole heir, even if you’re the only person for the job, doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting the job.

Regardless of it being easier or sensible or to prevent war, people will hang on to taboos and tradition. So, having the bonus of Arthur committing treason isn’t a big deal to add; Mordred was probably not going to be able to just take the crown the regular way anyway.

And as for Arthur being king and also committing treason and getting punished- this has actually happened multiple times in history, believe it or not! Yeah, the King obviously has a much higher chance off getting off easy for it, but if any enemies, or powerful family members, or justice, can get the upper hand, they can get axed for it. King Charles I for example. And Arthur has enemies, so I would imagine such an opening for him or any other King for someone to legally get them punished would be a bit of a big deal to get out.

[Wonderboy]

Well, with Charles I, there was a parliament with legally and historically endowed rights and some claim to co-sovereignty. It’s possible there’s some sort of similar setup in Arthur’s Britain - knowing Arthur it’s entirely plausible that he drafted an edict giving the round table the power to impeach him with a 3/4’s majority vote and elect a new king from amongst their ranks - but we’ve heard nothing of it.

And anyway, Charles I wasn’t so much executed for breaking the law as for pissing off a bunch of powerful people and then losing the resulting civil war. If Arthur’s infidelity angers enough of the aristocracy that they decide to march their armies on Camelot, sure, they can execute him for whatever real or imagined crimes they decide are appropriate.

But I’m flummoxed by the notion that there’s either some sort of official law or common tradition that would endorse instigating a civil war over marital infidelity as a means of preventing a theoretical future civil war over a muddled succession. Especially since nothing muddles the succession quite like having the king dead and the capital occupied by the armies of every major power in the kingdom.

[jeantown]

Hello from my phone and a busy day at work. I’m going to have to wait until I get home later to reply to everything (so much great discussion!) but for now let me throw in one tidbit about the game world, in my current conception:

The main reason the royal and noble bloodlines are so jealously protected is that they carry some particular and unique magical abilities, which we’ll start to see in part 4. Handing those abilities out to just anyone (via illegitimate children) makes people very nervous. One consequence of this is that royal bloodlines are more likely to die out, making succession a messy business. It’s not an ideal system/attitude, and it doesn’t work very well (which can be acknowledged in the game).

[MutonElite]

Well in that case Mordred ought to be the ideal heir (stronger blood). =P Surprised it’s not more common. Oh and since Morgana and Arthur WILL get together at one point, tell me again why there’s only a love triangle and not a love quadrant on the table? If they’re already destined to be doing the doublebacked beast and all…

[jason_king]

this may seem like a rude question, but i created this account just to ask it … how far along are you with part two? im rather exited to lead my glorious armies into battle agents that pansy Frankish “army”

[Elfwine]

I’m sure that money will really do a lot of good for those slain by the Romano-Saxons while Britain’s army is either with Arthur at Michaelsmount or fighting the Franks elsewhere under Guen.

There are times and places war can be used to a country’s advantage.
But given that Britain’s soldiers are described from the start of part 2 as spread thin, this is a time Britain is better off with the fighting ending as soon as possible (whether from sparking a Frankish civil war or by what passes for a treaty between Britain and Frankmarch - for whatever reason the Franks are not all eager for a fight between the two kingdoms, and it’d be a really good idea to keep it that way)…

[anon11888245]

Franks… so this happens around 300 A.D I assume. Which raises a few questions.

1. How long would this possible alliance with The Franks last?
2. What happens when the Romans arrive? I know that’s ages away, but would the Franks work with them? Hmmmm… Would they have access to magic as well? Because of Oracles and such.
3. If anything, will Guen leave a legacy? Or will it be crumbled when The Normans invade in 1066?

[jeantown]

Another tiring day of work, but I’m finally home, and what better thing to come home to than a ton of Guenevere discussion! XD

@Tehani I’m glad you’re okay with it. (: Yes, Arthur’s conception would technically fall into the “treason” category, although Uther did marry Ygraine later. But that’s the main reason why Uther wanted Arthur to grow up away from the court, with no knowledge of his heritage.

Mordred will be conceived in part 3. He might make another possible dream-appearance before that, but we won’t see him as a character until he’s a child in part 4.

How dare you laugh at hardening! Hardening is very, very serious! There’s nothing funny about it! pffffffff ::giggles like a 12-year-old::

Good question about the other characters’ priorities. Guen may sometimes have to choose between personal feelings and the good of the country (depending on how you interpret some of the choices), and she sometimes has to choose between characters, but it’s interesting to think about what the other characters would prioritize in the same kind of situation. Would Arthur choose Guen over Lancelot? Lancelot over Britain? Hard to say. (heehee, “hard.” ) I want to say that it would depend on their relationships with Guen… like how Lancelot will have sex with Guen if he trusts her enough, but otherwise his loyalty to Arthur will prevent it. Other than that, I’m not sure.

The sheep are way better than the scary-eyed smileys, that’s for sure.

@poison_mara I’ll see your * and raise you a :squirrel: ** :heavy_exclamation_mark:

*“LOVE HOTEL”
**“AERIAL TRAMWAY”
who the hell makes an emoji for “aerial tramway”?!??

…and now I’m going to write another post about the war/succession stuff…

[Nikmou]

When I saw that this first half was available I almost had a heart attack. It’s perfect, like always. This is definitely my favorite story ever.