Guenevere (WIP)


#8999

Well, in the case of my canon Guen, while she’ll tell Arthur about the kiss, she’ll want to make darn sure he knows that a) she loves him and him alone and b) she did not want Lancelot to kiss her. I don’t know if this’ll cause friction in Arthur and Lance’s friendship, but I don’t see why not, even if “Guen is kissed by a man she doesn’t love” isn’t the same thing as “Guen willingly kisses and/or has sex with a man she’s been pining/lusting after for years.” Assuming that Arthur and Lancelot will end up on bad terms by the end of Book II, it may put a damper on my Guen’s desire to be friends with Lancelot. Arthur may not be a paranoid or jealous person by nature, but I’d rather not give him any reason to doubt my Guen if I can help it.


#9000

I feel you. My canon Guenevere physically fights Lancelot about it.


#9001

Anyone else here actually emotionally invested in their fae dog/cat?


#9002

Anyone that has a heart? :laughing:


#9003

Oh, yeah? My canon Guen shoves Lancelot, but as you can surmise from what I wrote above, her thrashing is more verbal than physical. And honestly, I think I enjoyed that reaction more than how my other two Guens reacted to the kiss. My first Guen (who I call Self-Insert Guen because I was pretty much just picking options I liked best or thought were good ideas at the time) wasn’t very pleased by Lancelot kissing her (she was also happily in love with Arthur :blush:), but she ended up forgiving him and telling him upfront that she wanted to just be friends with him (at least I think so–been a quite a while since I played as Self-Insert Guen). My second Guen (who I call Guenevere Lannister because I went through the playthrough asking myself, “What would Cersei Lannister do?”) responded to Lancelot’s kiss by jumping his bones.


#9004

Aw, I love my fae cat! :grinning:


#9005

My Witch Queen Guen was pretty gentle about rejecting Lance because she pities him. My Morgana-mancing Paladin Guen socked him in the eye though :laughing:

I don’t know if either of them will tell Arthur. Maybe WCG, but Arthur already blew her off the last time she tried to tell him Lancelot was being too much. Pally Guen isn’t in a relationship with Arthur so it’s not really his business. She probably wouldn’t tell Morgana either. Morgana is really touchy about Lance and PG feels they’re even after she beat him up. :face_with_head_bandage:


#9006

How do you read the code for Guenevere?


#9007

@bobsmyuncle you just made me wonder something. If Guen already told Arthur about Lancelot’s feelings and he blew her off, how would he feel if he later finds out they slept together or that they have feelings for each other?


#9008

I’m with you. But my Guen will assure Arthur that she and Lance are under some sort of spell. Whether or not it’s true will of course depend, but I’m hoping that Guen can be honest with Arthur without damaging her relationship or Lance’s friendship with him.
Assuming that @jeantown is going with her original plot line, whoever accuses this Guen of being unfaithful is going to have a hard time finding evidence.


#9009

In any play through in which my character is an accomplished fighter, she can’t help joining Arthur for the distinct pleasure of killing the fool who dared hurt her darling cat(I’m a cat person).


#9010

I think how he feels will depend more on his overall relationship with Guen. Like if she told him she doesn’t like men (either lesbian or ace), but turns around and sleeps with Lance, he’ll probably feel lied to and be pissed.

For my witch queen, she’s not that worried about Arthur reacting negatively. Quite the opposite. She worries about Lance not being in control of himself due to the spell, and Arthur just being like “I’m sure he tripped and his mouth accidentally fell on your mouth. No worries. Group hug!”

She has told Morgana about the spell and hopes they can break it and Lance gets over her. Funny since Pally Guen hasn’t told her girlfriend and really ought to, since she has no dark magic skill herself. :zipper_mouth_face:

If Mordred can’t find evidence, I’m sure he’ll manufacture it :wink:


#9011

But my Guen will assure Arthur that she and Lance are under some sort of spell.

My Guen might say that, too, if it’ll help in convincing Arthur that she’s not in love with Lancelot. But then again, she may not mention the spell at all–she never talked to Morgana about it, and she didn’t discuss it with Lancelot after the kiss. I guess I’ll just have to see.


#9012

@ElvenQueen Thank you so much; I’m glad you like it!

Sort of? Maybe not exactly like that, but Lance and Guen can agree that in the future, once certain circumstances are met, they will try to make a fresh start. I’m still working on writing that conversation, so maybe I can make some tweaks so Guen can be more specific about dialing down some of the things she said right after the kiss.

It will be an option, and Arthur isn’t the only person she can tell (besides the obvious Morgana). :slight_smile:

She should be able to make all of those things clear.

You can tell Arthur without causing any serious friction between them, or you can try to leverage the situation to drive them apart. At least, that’s the plan. :slight_smile:

I’m not sure if it’s possible on Dashingdon? I’m hoping to just make my own website to host the game, maybe next summer, but I’m still a beginner at that sort of thing, so I don’t know if you would be able to view the code if the files were on a personal website, or not?

Honestly, Arthur probably forgot about that. It seemed like a complete non-issue to him at the time.

mmm, indeed… :smiling_imp:


#9013

I did a few runs to decide what to focus on in terms of questions. My main Guens are a Guen(1) who specialises in leadership and black magic, and a Guen(2) who specializes in swordplay and dark magic.
In part 2, assuming Guen(1) succeeds in taking command of of the remaining Briton forces, is it possible to intimidate the Frankish army to back off (without Lancelot but possibly with Morgana). If so what course of action out of, a: avoid battle b: blood them(as in killing small number of important soldiers), or c: rout them, will result in a greater reward in regards to my goal of a stronger Britain. Specifically, what will make the people of Britain more likely to follow my lead or come to me with problems as opposed to thoughtlessly going along with Arthur’s “Grandest Gestures of Optimistic Ignorance of all Time” (the of all time was added so I could make an acronym spelling goit. A word used in the UK which can mean"a fool")?

I miss posted and need some time to finish typing out my questions. Sorry.

If Guen(1&2) pursues an alliance with the count, is it more beneficial for you both to have leverage over each other(in which case he feels more secure and is less likely to seek allies against you) or to hold the papers over him without any peace oath for him to hold you by(in which case your alliance is slightly more unequal and he would feel pressed to gain some insurance that you can’t turn on him or pressure him into a foolish move)?

Assuming Guen(2) can gain control of Meliguant through his sword, what effect would distance have to his relative freedom/ lack of freedom?
For that matter, what form does this control take?
Mental compulsion in which the victim is aware but unable to resist?
Moral realignment which skews the victims values to align with your own, with loyalty stemming from a feeling of shared views?
A mental overlay in which the victim retains there sense of self and most of their freedom, but can be forced to agree to Guen’s demands if she speaks a certain set of words, subconsciously creating there own reasons for any action they take under Guen’s orders?
Will there be any impact on Guen’s health from maintaining the control spell?
Will Guen need to occasionally renew the spell?
Will Merlin be able to detect the control spell?


#9014

Thanks for the reply, @jeantown. And now I’d like to share the current stats of my canon Guen (who at present does not have a cool nickname like Self-Insert Guen and Guenevere Lannister do because I’m not sure how to describe her using only two or three words), as well as give a lengthy description of her personality, relationships, motivations, etc.

TRUST:
Arthur: 32
Lancelot: 0
Morgana: 13
SKILLS:
Sword: 1
Leadership: 20
Light Magic: 37
Dark Magic: 0
REPUTATION:
Kind: 34
Brave: 8
Stubborn: 1
Convivial: 0
Intelligent: 4
Responsible: 14

Guenevere begins her wedding day as a bundle of nerves. She isn’t sure she can be a good queen for Britain no matter how much she wants to; most of her time during childhood was spent learning light magic from her mother, and it was only after her mother died that her father started teaching her about leadership, politics, and military tactics, and she doesn’t think she’s learned enough to be a capable monarch. And then there’s the question of her groom–she’s never met Arthur before, and if they can’t at least get along with each other, how is she supposed to spend a lifetime with him? Nonetheless, Guenevere is willing to go along with this arranged marriage and try to make some effort in making it work.

As it turns out, Arthur is a good man, the sort of man Guenevere always wanted to fall for. He’s kindhearted, friendly, and considerate of his bride’s feelings, and Guenevere feels slightly less nervous about the marriage as the wedding ceremony occurs (on a related note, she chooses to wear the purple emerald necklace to show she appreciates Arthur’s gift). When the assassination attempt happens, she puts on a composed, dignified front, despite the fact that she’s actually pretty shaken, and she participates in a few of the dances afterward more out of duty than desire.

While Guenevere finds herself quickly attracted to Arthur, she doesn’t feel she knows him well enough to have sex with him on their wedding night. Later, during the adventure with the fireworks (something Guenevere isn’t super excited about, but she goes along with it because it doesn’t seem like Lancelot will take no for an answer), she refuses to tell Morgana and Lancelot anything about what she and Arthur did or didn’t do in the bedchamber (Guenevere isn’t comfortable talking about such personal things with people, and that goes triple for people she barely knows).

Speaking of Morgana and Lancelot, Guenevere has good first impressions on both of them. She considers Morgana to be her first friend in Camelot, appreciating how kind the dark sorceress has been to her. She thinks Lancelot is nice and would like to be friends with him as well, but she’s not comfortable with the fact that he’s instantly infatuated with her, so she tries to be polite to him without leading him on.

Guenevere doesn’t want to join Arthur’s army to battle the Romano-Saxons. Due to her lack of sword skills, she fears she would only be a burden on the battlefield and believes it would be best if she stayed at Camelot. Unfortunately for her, her father insists that she go with the army to ensure her safety. Thankfully, though, things go quite well during the campaign. Guenevere’s skill in healing spells and defensive magic is considered a great asset among the soldiers, she fires off the firework rocket at the right time so that casualties are at a minimum, and she and Arthur make love for the first time. Guenevere spares Hrothulf’s life, believing it’s the right thing to do, and decides to try to make Britain more peaceful by working towards Arthur’s vision of a perfect world. She also accepts Lancelot’s desire to be the best, most loyal knight, hoping that knightly virtue will help him get over his crush on her.

Three years later, Guenevere still very much loves Arthur, although she doesn’t share his confidence that Meligaunt–the man who tried to kill her husband several years ago–is interested in peace between Britain and Frankmarch. Nevertheless, she promises Arthur that she’ll talk to Meligaunt, and she does her best to be as pleasant and welcoming as she can to the half giant, never voicing what she thinks about someone who would try to murder a thirteen-year-old boy. When she discovers Arthur has gotten sheep in the castle as part of his negotiating strategy, she tries to gently steer him away from the idea once she recovers from her bafflement. After most of the rampaging sheep are taken care of, Guenevere admits that she doesn’t think this is going to help with the Britain-Frankmarch alliance and advises Arthur to clear them out. Later, after Meligaunt is suspiciously in Guenevere’s chamber, Guenevere has Arthur promise that he’ll have someone search Meligaunt’s room and that he won’t trust him.

As for Lancelot, Guenevere’s hopes that his feelings for her would become platonic have sadly been dashed. She wonders if maybe she shouldn’t have been so accommodating in regards to him wanting to be her champion; defending her honor is acceptable, dedicating his victories to her is fine, even the occasional victory trophy is all right. But a whole slew of victory trophies? No–that’s inappropriate as far as Guenevere is concerned, and she wants Lancelot to stop.

When the “imposter Gueneveres” incident begins, Guenevere tries to convince Arthur that she’s his real wife, believing that the false Gueneveres are a trick to lure Arthur out of the castle. She feels a smidge of frustration that he can’t tell the difference between the real her and a fake, but her worry for his safety drowns out said frustration, and she and Morgana go out into the courtyard. Amidst all the chaos, Guenevere casts protection and healing spells, and she tries tending to her fae cat, Oscar, after he gets magically wounded by Meligaunt, who is fought by Lancelot but doesn’t get seriously injured.

While imprisoned with Morgana on the ship, Guenevere politely declines making a deal with Grimald, who she doesn’t trust, and concocts a plan to escape that involves using light magic to enchant the sheep and sailors. Although she doesn’t like the thought of her beloved kitty being anywhere near Meligaunt, she realizes the importance of someone she trusts keeping an eye on him, and it helps that Arthur could use some backup, assuming he did go to Michaelsmount. As such, Guenevere tells Oscar to pretend to still be hurt and either escape or attack Meligaunt when he gets the chance. After the escape plan is carried out, Guenevere chooses to let Morgana be the one to actually escape the ship.

When Guenevere meets Lancelot in the woods of Frankmarch, she is furious about the kiss. She shoves Lancelot away from her, harshly says that she wants nothing to do with him, demands that he never kiss or even touch her again, and is not amused when he tries to joke about it. Guenevere feels betrayed–for three years, she’d hoped that she and Lancelot could be friends, but the kiss proved her wrong, and as far as she’s concerned, the “burning touch” enchantment between her and Lancelot is no excuse for him kissing her against her will. Afterward, Guenevere is curt and snippy towards Lancelot, and her deciding to trust Tilda is partially to spite him, since he doesn’t trust the duchess.

Guenevere chooses to go to Michaelsmount. As much as she’d like to stay in Frankmarch to help Tilda bring Grimald down and secure an alliance with Radagund, she believes that peace between Britain and Frankmarch cannot be her first priority when Arthur’s in very real danger of being either killed or permanently wounded by Meligaunt. She hopes that she’ll be able to get Meligaunt’s magic sword so it can be destroyed, but Arthur’s wellbeing is her primary concern. Guenevere also decides to send Lancelot to Camelot so he can fight off the Frankish invasion. Morgana is a very resourceful person, which is why Guenevere doesn’t feel a serious need to try to find her, but there’s no guarantee that she’s made it back to Britain, let alone knows about the Frankish army. Assuming that Tilda fails to expose Grimald and get Radagund to call off the army (and Guenevere hopes that doesn’t happen, since she tells Tilda about the decoding device most likely being hidden in Grimald’s kitchen), it would be very bad for Arthur and Guenevere’s reputations if the Franks invade an ignorant Britain. Therefore, since Guenevere won’t be going to Camelot herself, the next best thing is to send Lancelot to warn the remaining knights and give them at least a few hours to prepare.


#9015

The fact that I read this in Arthur’s imaginary voice and it didn’t feel out of character says something. :thinking:


#9016

It’s not really plausible with a compiled HTML game. You could technically view the HTML source but since the CS code is consolidated into a single block among the HTML, you would likely need to reformat that code block to understand just what is going on.

With non-compiled games it is easy enough to view the code through the source text files (e.g. https://dashingdon.com/play/dashingdon/the-burden/mygame/scenes/).


#9017

@Disciple Hmmm, that’s a lot of questions! Some answers might be spoilers or things I’m not ready to share yet, but let me see what I can do…

First, a battle at Camelot can’t be altogether avoided, though the amount of damage and number of casualties can vary drastically depending on what Guen does. As far as rallying people before the battle, it may be more a choice of which people she wants to rally than whether or not she can do it. (Do you want more peasants and therefore more total numbers, or would you rather focus on gathering a smaller number of trained soldiers…) As far as what will affect Guen’s reputation after the fact, that’s mostly a result of the extent of the damage and the casualties – if she keeps those to a minimum, by whatever means, she’ll be respected and viewed as a strong leader going forward.

As far as an alliance with Grimald, most of that remains to be seen… but I can tell you that the oath charm will serve its purpose by the end of part 2, so it’s not intended to be a long-term factor (though who knows what could change as I develop the story…). But if Guen finds a way to blackmail Grimald (which she can manage in a couple different ways), she may be able to hold that threat over his head for a long time.

Good questions re: controlling Meligaunt, some of which I haven’t yet decided on for sure because I’m waiting to see exactly what he might be used for in future chapters. Thus far, I don’t think distance makes a difference, so you can send him back to the continent to cause problems if you want. The control is indeed a mental compulsion which the victim is aware of but unable to resist, similar to a geas spell except that the victim of a geas may not always realize they’re under a spell. No moral realignment; Meligaunt will continue to be a bad person who wants to harvest your pet for magic ingredients (he just won’t be able to do it, ever). He’ll be very aware that he’s being controlled. I don’t think Guen will need to renew the spell, but if she ever loses control over the sword, she’ll lose control over Meligaunt – and potentially be susceptible to herself being controlled by the sword’s new owner, though at the moment I don’t have any plans to include such a thing because that seems like it would have a bigger impact on the plot than I’d be able to deal with. Will Merlin be able to detect the spell? Hm, I hadn’t thought about that. Yeah, Merlin would probably be aware that it’s happening, but I don’t think he’d get involved. He’s got his own stuff to deal with.

@ElvenQueen Thank you for the stats and for the substantial recap, which I very much enjoyed reading! I love that your Guen decided to trust Tilda partly just to spite Lancelot. I hope she and Lancelot will eventually be able to come to an understanding.

@Dashingdon Thanks for the explanation. At this point I forget why I had to upload the compiled version rather than the scenes (which I know I tried first), but I guess I’ll be dealing with all that again when I’m finally ready to update. Also thank you yet again, many times over, for all of your gracious game-hosting!


#9018

You’re welcome, @jeantown. And I hope my Guen and Lancelot will eventually come to an understanding, too–surely she can’t stay mad forever, right?

Another question I have is about the Michaelsmount path, but you don’t have to answer if it’s too spoilery. Assuming Guenevere decides to take the time to rescue the imprisoned knights, will that have any effect on what’s happened to Arthur by the time Guen finds him?