Guenevere (WIP)

Okay I have like 30 seconds before I have to be at work, but @Dark_Bear2899, ace = asexual, and @thesunfloweramazon a million times yes to your first post, and to your second, also yes; that conversation (brief as it turned out to be) is in part 2, where the Guen/Morgana romance can develop a lot more than in part 1.

@jeantown I don’t want bother you, but i was wondering if my Mara was a ace what could she do to obtain people let she be? And Mara gives me 2 solutions
-A good Mara with great light powers. She could present herself like a goddess virgin sacerdotise ,like a vestal bride. With my sacrifice i offered the kingdom a light protection to obtain Arthurian idealism … Elizabeth the virgin queen sold same idea and was a successful ruler.

-A dark magic Guen . Belladonna lol. Venetian noblewomen were accused of use belladonna in their husbands wine in medieval and renaissance. Belladonna had two interesting effects .
a- Is a potent sedative, Hippie would sleep lol.
b- It provokes hot dreams very lucid. You know what i mean . He would be happy in his believe of his sexual activity. And everyone happy .

Of course, you don’t have to use it. But that was probably what Mara use in a table rpg session.

If you have some doubt or want know another ways to do something @jeantown ask me i could say you what mara do .

I love this game so much am so glad your still working on, some of the other game i like on here never seem to move forwards or get done at all :frowning:

@MaraJade You are never ever bothering me, especially not with ideas like that! Those are really interesting suggestions and I will think about them a lot. Drug-induced sex dreams raise some fascinating ethical questions. And if I ever need a poison consultant, you will be my first stop.

@PurpleMonkey121 Thanks! I’m the kind of person who just keeps on plugging away, little by little. It might take a long long time, but I’m determined to get it done. :slight_smile:

@jeantown: I honestly like leaving Guen’s sexuality more-or-less unlabeled. ā€œSexual orientationā€ is, as you pointed out, a modern concept. Arthur and Lancelot will be attracted to Guen come what may, and if I’m not mistaken, Morgana won’t make a pass at Guen if Guen doesn’t show interest in her first.

Posting a link to the game for any newcomers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/248628703/web/mygame/index.html

(We should probably do that at the top of every page just to make it easier to get to the game.)

@jeantown

Erm, yeah, I wanted to ask- you don’t mind fanfiction, right? I’ve wanted to write some since I played it, but figured to wait until the second book for more character development/understanding how things will go, but now I’m full of feelings and can’t resist. But I figured it’s best to ask first, since this isn’t like an officially published sort of thing and is a free creation and stuff.

@thesunfloweramazon If @jeantown give your permision i would love read it. Also What do you think about my ideas about ace and light and dark magic options , i dont think them as offensive against ace , but are some sort of accurate with historical facts or at least historical period myths , I hardly doubt venetian women were so poisoners and vengeful like men in that period said lol.

@MaraJade

Pfft, they probably weren’t actually. But then again, if the dudes in that time were constantly calling women vengeful and murderous- along with the regular misogyny- I could see why they might start poisoning them. XD

That reminds me, though- there are lots of Arthurian stories where Guenevere is accused of poisoning a knight or Arthur (and I imagine there is a version or two where she actually does so). I wonder if that will happen in these books at all, or if it will just get mixed with the cheating charge like a few versions do.

medieval men were obsessed with poison. In spain women were forbbiden to wear rings with gems or just big .Why ? they feared women hidden poison there. Poison was considered a women weapon so if they know there were poison involved or just wanted blamed someone they just searched a girl to blame. Many monarcs paid alchemist to prepared antipoison elixirs , That provoked at least the death of two kings, Due they put lead and iron like ingredients that caused a gradual poisoning ,ironically.

Accused or rumors about queen of poison were somehow common when a king hadnt babies accept that king was sterile … It is easy cursed someone else.
The fact there werent food tasters servants for instance shocked a medieval Guen. And his father could by right ask Arthur food and drink from his plate and glass, in fact the fact arthur didnt so could be in protocol rude.

Also sorry to point all this but like im studing history now im piky with that … or like Why Guen father didn’t go with her through altar lol. He had to bearing his ceremony sword to crush whatever who try to opose or attack weeding. That is the origin of custom in many european countries like spain that father or goodfather lead her daughter to altar to protect her.

@Ramidel Agreed; present-day sexual identity/orientation labels are so recent that (I think) they break immersion – that’s why I took the term ā€œlesbianā€ out of the game. I think it actually does better service to current understandings of sexuality to show people cohesively living those identities in contexts where the labels themselves don’t exist – like with the Elizabeth Abbot book @thesunfloweramazon mentioned. My understanding is that, while there have obviously always been lots of non-hetero people, sexual preference was for centuries considered more an activity than an identity. So I’m trying to use descriptive phrases like ā€œnot interested in sexā€ rather than identity terms like ā€œasexual.ā€ Plus, that keeps things vague enough to accommodate a range of different understandings of sexuality (like choosing celibacy for whatever reason).

@thesunfloweramazon Thanks for asking! i wholeheartedly approve of fanfiction as a creative medium, and you’re more than welcome to write anything you like… My only fear with fanfiction for the Guen game is that it might get people imagining things in all kinds of directions the game will never go. I mean, that’s the point of fanfiction, but I’d hate to raise expectations for things the game can’t provide, or to have people play the later books and think, ā€œBut that’s not the Arthur I knowā€ because the character has been built into something different. But that’s a risk I’m willing to take – the game will be what it will be, and it won’t fulfill everyone’s expectations.

As for all of the historical background, well, this is fantasy with giants and magic, so, once again, it’s just not going to be as vicious as certain elements of real history. That’s not to say that poison will never appear in the game. :slight_smile:

But @MaraJade, like I said, your ideas could raise some really interesting ethical issues that might be appropriate for what the game is doing.The virgin queen explanation would be fascinating for Guen to try to use as her public image. I don’t know if/how I would fit those ideas into the story just yet, but they’re great for me to think about. For parts 1-3, the general public isn’t a big factor yet, but they will be eventually.

@Jeantown

Haha, yeah, that’s why I wanted to wait for a while for the next book till I get a better grip and not get too fanciful, or just describe emotions of scenes that happen or between scenes. But I’ll try hard not to do so- and if I do so anyway, I won’t be upset if certain things don’t happen. XD

And no worries about the second bit- your Arthur and other characters are certainly better than mine could be, and I know so, ahaha. I’ll try to be more hands-off there, if that makes sense.

The talk of people living identities cohesively even before there was a word, or in a time when people thought of it as an act, remind me of Anne Lister. Has anyone here ever read her diaries (I THINK you can find them on the internet for free.)? She was a lesbian who lived during the Georgian Era in the U.K. She was very wealthy and luckily, could live independently and do what she wanted. Her diary is over 4 million words and describes years of her life- and about a sixth of it is written in code. The code, when translated, was her describing what was happening in her romantic life concerning her girlfriends, how she struggles with her identity, her sex life, etc. They ended up getting hidden and preserved and published years later. It’s really fascinating to see someone comes to terms with their identity, and living it out unashamedly in such a time period.

(And, ack, sorry to flood the comment section with book talk again.)

I got an error during the scene in Morgana’s tent (befor the big battle) when Guen tells her that she’s attracted to her.
This is the error:
{fileName:ā€œhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/248628703/web/scene.jsā€,lineNumber:573,columnNumber:12}

It seems quite strange…
And I never got it before, even though I went that route in almost all of my previous playthroughs.

Just reiterating that I got the same error as blackrising when trying to show attraction towards Morgana, twice. Also, I noticed in one the the initial sex scenes with Arthur, the word ā€œsurpriseā€ is misspelled (when Guen is ā€œsuprisedā€ that Arthur knows to make sure she’s ready before penetration). Very minor issues on the whole. I generally love the changes that have been made since the last time I played through.

@blackrising and @missmurdstone argh I am now obsessively beating my head against the wall trying to find this bug… the line number in the error message doesn’t correspond to the right part of the code (that happens with ChoiceScript), so I’m just squinting at the code like crazy trying to see it. I’m running autotest, but that takes about an hour, and I’m pretty sure I already ran it on that particular revision.

I also just played through the game and picked all the Morgana-attraction options, and didn’t get the error. So I think maybe it’s coming from the scene.js file, in which case I have no idea what to do, and no idea why it never appeared before but is appearing now – I’ve never touched that file.

What browser are you using?

update: I played the online version and got the error, but it’s not telling me anything useful. This is incredibly frustrating.

update II: I think I found it! If it’s what I think it was, it was a dumb mistake. I had added a variable in order to track something for the second game, and didn’t update the mygame.js to include the new variable. :-S

Now to hunt down the ā€œsupriseā€ā€¦ Many, many thanks! :slight_smile:

@thesunfloweramazon Sorry I got so distracted by the bug that I didn’t reply to your post… if you do write some fanfiction I would love to read it. :slight_smile: Really the game itself is essentially fanfiction, as is pretty much the entire Arthurian tradition (and most of medieval literature).

I hadn’t heard of Anne Lister – she sounds fascinating! I’ll definitely look into that. :slight_smile:

Yep, the error’s fixed! :slight_smile:

@blackrising yaaaay! Thanks again for the bug report and for letting me know it’s fixed.

So I played this back when it was first posted – December I think? I was having trouble registering an account at the time, so I was never able to post my thoughts. Short version was that I was really enjoying it, and I particularly liked the bits where you were asked why Guen was feeling a certain way, or what she thought of certain situations. I think the first chapter was still pretty much complete at that point, as far as I recall? The debate at the time was something about whether or not the assassin should’ve been Byzantine, but I suppose that’s old news now so my feedback is probably not so necessary now.

Have there been a lot of changes since then? What’s the current issue up for discussion?

In either case though, I’ll have to replay the game if only just to refresh myself.